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I think your view is twisted around. Zionists are simply Jewish people who want to live in their ancient homeland. Hamas is an Islamic Resistance Movement that wants to create an Islamic state in place of Israel. Hamas rejects Israel's right to exist and is committed to its destruction.
Certainly, they have a right to exist. So why after all these years have the surrounding Muslim countries not accepted any Palestinians into their communities? Don’t they think their Muslim brothers and sisters have a right to exist? Why did these surrounding Muslim countries drive Jews out of their countries? Israel has demonstrated and demonstrates that it does give Muslims the right to exist even within its own borders… when those Muslims live peacefully and aren’t shooting off explosives or missiles upon Jewish civilians.
I wonder.
Your view is mistaken.
This doesn't justify Israel's 70+ years of
Okay, which would include self-determination in their ancestral land of Israel.
I suppose they would have the right as long as they aren’t continuing to send missiles into Israel, building tunnels, attacking civilians and taking hostages.
I don’t mind that discussion.
I don’t think most Christians are Zionists, but Christian Zionists believe Jews should be able to live in their historical, ancestral land without being constantly attacked and harassed or held to a double standard by the world.
I've nothing to add.
That may be, but historical, archaeological, biblical, and geographical evidence and heritage shows that the Jewish people are the ancestral people of the land. For some time now, the delegitimization of Israel’s history and their right to the land has been going on, although not based of facts.
blogs.timesofisrael.com
Except historically the land has belonged to the Jewish people.
blogs.timesofisrael.com
That may be, but historical, archaeological, biblical, and geographical evidence and heritage shows that the Jewish people are the ancestral people of the land. For some time now, the delegitimization of Israel’s history and their right to the land has been going on, although not based of facts.
“The international decision to create a national home for the Jewish people was made explicitly due to “the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine.” This was clear recognition of the Jewish people’s long-affirmed and continuing links to its aboriginal homeland.”
Was there a Palestinian “national identity” prior to 1964?
From the blog of Alan Meyer at The Times of Israel
Except historically the land has belonged to the Jewish people.
Prior to 1948, those calling themselves Palestinians today were calling themselves Arabs back then because that’s who they were. Their customs and traditions are Arab traditions and their language Arabic, not Palestinian. Originally, the word Palestine, introduced by emperor Hadrian in the first century, was meant to humiliate the Jewish people. At one time there was a “Palestinian Orchestra” composed of all Jews. There was the “Palestinian Post” a Jewish newspaper.
Yasir Arafat hijacked and repurposed the term Palestinian over several decades to introduce a new politically charged narrative against Israel.
Nevertheless, Israel has made the offer of Palestinian state many times on one condition that they would acknowledge the right of Israel to exist. Yet, Hamas will not acknowledge the right of Israel to have any part of that land. Their goal is not coexistence with Israel, but annihilation of Israel.
“More importantly, does self-determination (state/nationhood) take precedence over the rights of their neighbours to live in peace and security with defensible borders in light of 100 years of Arab aggression designed to drive those very neighbours out?
By any definition of the term “nation” there is no doubt there is no such thing as a “Palestinian nation”. There never has been. It remains ossified in a 100 year hatred of Jews who after millennia of dispersal and oppression by Arabs and Europeans, dared to become independent in their aboriginal homeland.”
Was there a Palestinian “national identity” prior to 1964?
From the blog of Alan Meyer at The Times of Israel
As you a Christian,is that true that it's ok for zionists to do whatever they want to Palestinians "genocide, oppression..Etc "since the return of Jesus is depend on them and holy land?No, I don’t think Israel has far more culpability at all. It doesn’t matter or work when Israel offers justice or peace because Hamas relentlessly continues to attack and refuses such overtures. They don’t want peace with Israel or for the Palestinian people; never have. The goal is the destruction of Israel and the Jews…period.
Here is an old article demonstrating that the goal of destroying Israel never changes…
“The issues at stake in this long-standing conflict between Arabs – Palestinian and otherwise – and Israel are extraordinarily large and complex. Recent news media headlines capture some of the absurdities: "Hamas says accord reached, but won't stop rocket attacks" and "Israel and Hamas agreed to end all hostilities, but unclear how enforced."
Israel has the right and responsibility – after seven years and over 11,000 missile attacks from Gaza before this most recent barrage – to do what it takes to stop the horrific attacks against its people. At the same time, we all grieve for the Palestinian people and pray earnestly that they will be able soon to find and follow leaders who truly protect the lives of the Palestinian people, and their future.
In such an on-going conflict, it is much too easy for people to look for moral equivalency – to want to assume that the issues on both sides are too ancient, too continuous, too common and too complex for clear moral contrast. Perhaps it hurts too much to take the full measure of real malignant evil in our contemporary world. But the presumption of moral equivalence would be foolish moral numbness (or dumbness?) on anyone's part.”
Hamas and Israel: Who Respects Palestinians' Lives More?
Hamas and Israel: Who Respects Palestinian Lives More? [Excerpts] As the Bible teaches us, we should love all our "neighbors," including all people, everywhere, with special attention in thwww.thebereancall.org
And Israel did not steal the land…
“Instead, they purchased land. Acquiring property dunam by dunam, farm by farm, house by house, lay at the heart of the Zionist enterprise until 1948. The Jewish National Fund, founded in 1901 to buy land in Palestine "to assist in the foundation of a new community of free Jews engaged in active and peaceable industry," was the key institution – and not the Haganah, the clandestine defense organization founded in 1920.
Zionists also focused on the rehabilitation of what was barren and considered unusable. They not only made the desert bloom but drained swamps, cleared water channels, reclaimed wasteland, forested bare hills, cleared rocks, and removed salt from the soil. Jewish reclamation and sanitation work precipitously reduced the number of disease-related deaths.”
“This history contradicts the Palestinian accountthat "Zionist gangs stole Palestine and expelled its people" which led to a catastrophe "unprecedented in history" (according to a PA 12th-grade textbook) or that Zionists "plundered the Palestinian land and national interests, and established their state upon the ruins of the Palestinian Arab people" (writes a columnist in the PA's daily). International organizations, newspaper editorials, and faculty petitions reiterate this falsehood worldwide.
Israelis should hold their heads high and point out that the building of their country was based on the least violent and most civilized movement of any people in history. Gangs did not steal Palestine; merchants purchased Israel.”
Not Stealing Palestine but Purchasing Israel
Zionists stole Palestinian land: that's the mantra both the Palestinian Authority and Hamas teach their children and propagate in their media. This claim has vast importance, as Palestinian Media Watch explains: "Presenting the creation of the [Israeli]www.danielpipes.org
That's simply ignorant.
if you wanna call a group that commits atrocities in Palestine then why are you against Hamas, I mean calling Haganah a defensive force is exposing your argument that Hamas should be stopped.No, I don’t think Israel has far more culpability at all. It doesn’t matter or work when Israel offers justice or peace because Hamas relentlessly continues to attack and refuses such overtures. They don’t want peace with Israel or for the Palestinian people; never have. The goal is the destruction of Israel and the Jews…period.
Here is an old article demonstrating that the goal of destroying Israel never changes…
“The issues at stake in this long-standing conflict between Arabs – Palestinian and otherwise – and Israel are extraordinarily large and complex. Recent news media headlines capture some of the absurdities: "Hamas says accord reached, but won't stop rocket attacks" and "Israel and Hamas agreed to end all hostilities, but unclear how enforced."
Israel has the right and responsibility – after seven years and over 11,000 missile attacks from Gaza before this most recent barrage – to do what it takes to stop the horrific attacks against its people. At the same time, we all grieve for the Palestinian people and pray earnestly that they will be able soon to find and follow leaders who truly protect the lives of the Palestinian people, and their future.
In such an on-going conflict, it is much too easy for people to look for moral equivalency – to want to assume that the issues on both sides are too ancient, too continuous, too common and too complex for clear moral contrast. Perhaps it hurts too much to take the full measure of real malignant evil in our contemporary world. But the presumption of moral equivalence would be foolish moral numbness (or dumbness?) on anyone's part.”
Hamas and Israel: Who Respects Palestinians' Lives More?
Hamas and Israel: Who Respects Palestinian Lives More? [Excerpts] As the Bible teaches us, we should love all our "neighbors," including all people, everywhere, with special attention in th
And Israel did not steal the land…
“Instead, they purchased land. Acquiring property dunam by dunam, farm by farm, house by house, lay at the heart of the Zionist enterprise until 1948. The Jewish National Fund, founded in 1901 to buy land in Palestine "to assist in the foundation of a new community of free Jews engaged in active and peaceable industry," was the key institution – and not the Haganah, the clandestine defense organization founded in 1920.
Zionists also focused on the rehabilitation of what was barren and considered unusable. They not only made the desert bloom but drained swamps, cleared water channels, reclaimed wasteland, forested bare hills, cleared rocks, and removed salt from the soil. Jewish reclamation and sanitation work precipitously reduced the number of disease-related deaths.”
“This history contradicts the Palestinian accountthat "Zionist gangs stole Palestine and expelled its people" which led to a catastrophe "unprecedented in history" (according to a PA 12th-grade textbook) or that Zionists "plundered the Palestinian land and national interests, and established their state upon the ruins of the Palestinian Arab people" (writes a columnist in the PA's daily). International organizations, newspaper editorials, and faculty petitions reiterate this falsehood worldwide.
Israelis should hold their heads high and point out that the building of their country was based on the least violent and most civilized movement of any people in history. Gangs did not steal Palestine; merchants purchased Israel.”
Not Stealing Palestine but Purchasing Israel
Zionists stole Palestinian land: that's the mantra both the Palestinian Authority and Hamas teach their children and propagate in their media. This claim has vast importance, as Palestinian Media Watch explains: "Presenting the creation of the [Israeli]
Which they appeared to have taken from ancestral
It sounds like you're trying to make this about me. Start an interview thread of me if that's what you want, rather than commandeering threads for that; I'm not going to go along with that.
All that is required is to read their charter to confirm this undisputable fact forthright.
It sounds like you're avoiding the question.