Israel Offers Gaza Aid Corridor

[darkendless]

That’s debatable. Because that was one of the accusation made at the time, and by coincidence it was ten million dollar, and when you consider that these people hate us with passion, that is something to be proud of, the surplus was used to do what is right for the disadvantage of this country, what do you think that moves these people to help even those that don’t loves us back? Those that see us as their enemies, is that a sentiment of those that want all the hand out for themselves or that only help those that love them? It is a Christian believe that we must sacrifice, which means that we don’t give our leftovers, we share our blessing with the not so lucky of the world, the more we do it the more blessing we get, that is why we are the lucky country. I am glad that you don’t have problems with the will of the majority to sacrifice as I guaranteed you that we will pull trough this one. Have no fears.
Mat 5:44 But I say to you, Love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who despitefully use you and persecute you,
Mat 5:45 so that you may become sons of your Father in Heaven. For He makes His sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.
It will be alright with us because this is the right thing to do.

Im sure politicans don't care what the bible says and neither do i. Do not be under an illusion that the more you sacrifice the better things will turn out, that is simply Naive. Unemployment may hit 15%, what a great sacrifice this will be to people who hate us because we're infidels. Yes religion is a silly bloody thing.

 

[.lava]

Im sure politicans don't care what the bible says and neither do i. Do not be under an illusion that the more you sacrifice the better things will turn out, that is simply Naive. Unemployment may hit 15%, what a great sacrifice this will be to people who hate us because we're infidels. Yes religion is a silly bloody thing.

what people?

one excuse to hate is no better than other. hate is product of weakness, an emotion that rooted in ego. with or without religion we have egos. some gives in to it, some do not. yes, they would hate anyway. so they hate you because you're infidel? do you think 'people' who hates you even without knowing what you would want for this world, could ever be able to love if you were not infidel? i sincerely doubt that. this is what i've seen in my life. those who hate people because they are '....whatever.....' actually can not love anyone truly. because what they love, as what they hate is not really coming from heart. they love someone just because what he wears, not for what he feels. so in case who they love change the way he wears, they might even end their relationship. these kind of people can only be with who's alike in appearance.

ahh nevermind!

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[challupa]

what people?

one excuse to hate is no better than other. hate is product of weakness, an emotion that rooted in ego. with or without religion we have egos. some gives in to it, some do not. yes, they would hate anyway. so they hate you because you're infidel? do you think 'people' who hates you even without knowing what you would want for this world, could ever be able to love if you were not infidel? i sincerely doubt that. this is what i've seen in my life. those who hate people because they are '....whatever.....' actually can not love anyone truly. because what they love, as what they hate is not really coming from heart. they love someone just because what he wears, not for what he feels. so in case who they love change the way he wears, they might even end their relationship. these kind of people can only be with who's alike in appearance.

ahh nevermind!

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I agree lava, those who hate indiscriminately probably cannot really care about others. There will always be a reason for them. Not always, but a lot of the time. It is a mindset.

 

[.lava]

I agree lava, those who hate indiscriminately probably cannot really care about others. There will always be a reason for them. Not always, but a lot of the time. It is a mindset.

i am sure you they can not truly love anyone, not even themselves. because they love and hate people for what they are, not for who they are. it is like loving or hating a dress and ignoring who's wearing it. God knows, we can change our dresses anytime anywhere but who we are would remain.

if they, for example, force an infidel to accept religion, and infidel says he does, they would stop hating him and they would probably call him 'brother'. but nothing inside of that person could change by simply saying he accepts religion. they do not really care for people. they care for what they see alone. they are shallow just like all fascist people, they are so based on physical stuff, like skin color, dresses, what you do, what you eat....they are so blind to individual's inner world. and in fact this is what matters. this is why it was said God looks and cares for what's there within our hearts.

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[challupa]

i am sure you they can not truly love anyone, not even themselves. because they love and hate people for what they are, not for who they are. it is like loving or hating a dress and ignoring who's wearing it. God knows, we can change our dresses anytime anywhere but who we are would remain.

if they, for example, force an infidel to accept religion, and infidel says he does, they would stop hating him and they would probably call him 'brother'. but nothing inside of that person could change by simply saying he accepts religion. they do not really care for people. they care for what they see alone. they are shallow just like all fascist people, they are so based on physical stuff, like skin color, dresses, what you do, what you eat....they are so blind to individual's inner world. and in fact this is what matters. this is why it was said God looks and cares for what's there within our hearts.

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Yes there are many who don't look beyond the shell. It is a good thing that god looks beyond that to the essence of the person. We should do that too but sometimes I find I look to shallowly. Usually because I am afraid although I'm not sure what of.

 

[.lava]

Yes there are many who don't look beyond the shell. It is a good thing that god looks beyond that to the essence of the person. We should do that too but sometimes I find I look to shallowly. Usually because I am afraid although I'm not sure what of.

in that case best you could do, imo, is to admit yourself that you do not know. it is much safer 'not knowing' than knowing it wrong. in ordinary times i can not see either. in some situations, maybe in extreme situations and in some small details, people become inside out.

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[challupa]

in that case best you could do, imo, is to admit yourself that you do not know. it is much safer 'not knowing' than knowing it wrong. in ordinary times i can not see either. in some situations, maybe in extreme situations and in some small details, people become inside out.

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Well in regards to this current situation, I can truly say I do not know. I do not pick sides because it is not black and white to me and there is so much I don't understand. So I will take your advice and just say I don't know.

 

[darkendless]

what people?

one excuse to hate is no better than other. hate is product of weakness, an emotion that rooted in ego. with or without religion we have egos. some gives in to it, some do not. yes, they would hate anyway. so they hate you because you're infidel? do you think 'people' who hates you even without knowing what you would want for this world, could ever be able to love if you were not infidel? i sincerely doubt that. this is what i've seen in my life. those who hate people because they are '....whatever.....' actually can not love anyone truly. because what they love, as what they hate is not really coming from heart. they love someone just because what he wears, not for what he feels. so in case who they love change the way he wears, they might even end their relationship. these kind of people can only be with who's alike in appearance.

ahh nevermind!

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My country supports America which supports Israel, im pretty sure Hamas would like to send some rockets our way if they could. I do not hate Muslims but lately ive seen too much fundamentalism for my liking.

 

[emiliano]

Im sure politicans don't care what the bible says and neither do i. Do not be under an illusion that the more you sacrifice the better things will turn out, that is simply Naive. Unemployment may hit 15%, what a great sacrifice this will be to people who hate us because we're infidels. Yes religion is a silly bloody thing.

How do you know that? Most of our politician are Christians, we like the US would not have a bar for Godless political leaders, we don’t trust them. So I think you are wrong:shout

 

[emiliano]

My country supports America which supports Israel, im pretty sure Hamas would like to send some rockets our way if they could. I do not hate Muslims but lately ive seen too much fundamentalism for my liking.

And who gives a dime, the assistance is on the way
Lava do't loose any sleep over this cause this kind of thoughts will never enter in the minds and hearts of Australians, nor their political leader, we believe in the fair go principle, you have not been given one.

 

[darkendless]

How do you know that? Most of our politician are Christians, we like the US would not have a bar for Godless political leaders, we don’t trust them. So I think you are wrong:shout

How do you know that? Im sure theyre only "christians" to satify people like you who "don't trust" the Godless. I agree, a godless leader might to be sensible for the church.

 

[Poisonshady313]

My country supports America which supports Israel, im pretty sure Hamas would like to send some rockets our way if they could. I do not hate Muslims but lately ive seen too much fundamentalism for my liking.

Hamas has programming for children which includes a puppet show... a Palestinian killing President Bush, because that is his fate.

I'm pretty sure they'd send rockets our way too.

 

[Mr Spinkles]

Hamas has programming for children which includes a puppet show... a Palestinian killing President Bush, because that is his fate.

I'm pretty sure they'd send rockets our way too.

It goes without saying that is despicable. Now, I think it is worth considering whether or not Palestinian children's programs would show so much death if Palestinian children were not exposed to so much death. As despicable as this puppet show is, how many children did Isreal wound/kill, with bullets or American-made rockets, on the day it was aired? How bad would a puppet show have to be, in order to be worth our attention when compared to the wounding of even a single child who threw stones at an Isreali checkpoint? Yet apparently this sort of thing is a daily occurrence even during times of "peace" (i.e. when the Palestinians are not retaliating with their own atrocities).

I'm sure Hamas would send rockets my way, if they could. They are no doubt a violent terrorist party. But lest we forget, an awful lot of U.S. rockets have been sent their way, and not just in the last several weeks.

 

[kai]

It goes without saying that is despicable. Now, I think it is worth considering whether or not Palestinian children's programs would show so much death if Palestinian children were not exposed to so much death. As despicable as this puppet show is, how many children did Isreal wound/kill, with bullets or American-made rockets, on the day it was aired? How bad would a puppet show have to be, in order to be worth our attention when compared to the wounding of even a single child who threw stones at an Isreali checkpoint? Yet apparently this sort of thing is a daily occurrence even during times of "peace" (i.e. when the Palestinians are not retaliating with their own atrocities).

I'm sure Hamas would send rockets my way, if they could. They are no doubt a violent terrorist party. But lest we forget, an awful lot of U.S. rockets have been sent their way, and not just in the last several weeks.

the most sinister aspect of Hamas is i beleive their use of children,there is no excuse for the blatant racist and antisemitic broadcasts of AlAqsa tv targeted at children , its nothing sort of inciting children to confront Israeli checkpoints and i dont know if you have noticed but theres an awful lot of children involved in intefada.

Hamas calously targets their propoganda at children encourages them to hate jews and to throw stones and worse at Israeli soldiers


Huda Al-Hussein in the London-based newspaper Al-Sharq Al-Awsat. She asked:

While UN Organizations save child-soldiers, especially in Africa, from the control of militia leaders who hurl them into the furnace of gang-fighting, some Palestinian leaders... consciously issue orders with the purpose of ending their childhood, even if it means their last breath....If these children have nothing to lose, and they think the training is...a game, are we supposed to continue pushing them with hypocrisy and stupid enthusiasm to actually lose their lives....What kind of independence is built on the blood of children while the leaders are safe and so are their children and grandchildren?...Isn't it sad that a Palestinian mother who loses a child looks around and cannot find other mothers crying nearby because every other mother waits her turn to receive the corpse of a child? They take the children from their mothers and at the same time they strip their mother of any sympathy.[SIZE=-1]86[/SIZE]


According to the Coalition to Stop the Use of Child Soldiers' 2004 Global Report on the Use of Child Soldiers, there have been at least nine documented suicide attacks involving Palestinian minors between October 2000 and March 2004, "[t]here was no evidence of systematic recruitment of children by Palestinian armed groups. However, children are used as messengers and couriers, and in some cases as fighters and suicide bombers in attacks on Israeli soldiers and civilians. All the main political groups involve children in this way, including Fatah, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine."


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[emiliano]

How do you know that? Im sure theyre only "christians" to satify people like you who "don't trust" the Godless. I agree, a godless leader might to be sensible for the church.

People are pretty thorough when it comes to choose their political leader, they look at their entire lives, so I think that you are wrong, this is so unlikely that must be discounted as even a remote possibility.

 

[Mr Spinkles]

kai you are absolutely right, it's wrong and there's no excuse for it, although I was confused to read this part:

"[t]here was no evidence of systematic recruitment of children by Palestinian armed groups."

My point is not that it's acceptable. My point is that when you look at the situation as a whole, there are a lot of unacceptable things on both sides. The question is, what needs to happen first and foremost? I.m.o. the answer is that, first and foremost, Palestine needs real autonomy. That's the biggest evil, and the biggest contributor to all the other evils (including ones perpetrated by Palestinians). When one reads the story of Johnny Tremain, for example, a youth who was encouraged to risk his own life for the cause of American Independence and commit violence against British soldiers, the main impression one is left with is that America needed to have independence. The wrongfulness of encouraging or permitting such a young boy to participate in a violent resistance movement is secondary, i.m.o. (And note that in the U.S. the issue does not even come up: Johnny Tremain is unapologetically regarded as a heroic fictional character, admired in U.S. classrooms everywhere.)

 

[kai]

kai you are absolutely right, it's wrong and there's no excuse for it, although I was confused to read this part:

"[t]here was no evidence of systematic recruitment of children by Palestinian armed groups."
well they stop short of actually recruiting them into the ranks,I dont think its confusing they are not that stupid to have actual child soldiers, it goes on to say,However, children are used as messengers and couriers, and in some cases as fighters and suicide bombers in attacks on Israeli soldiers and civilians.
My point is not that it's acceptable. My point is that when you look at the situation as a whole, there are a lot of unacceptable things on both sides. The question is, what needs to happen first and foremost? I.m.o. the answer is that, first and foremost, Palestine needs real autonomy. That's the biggest evil, and the biggest contributor to all the other evils (including ones perpetrated by Palestinians). When one reads the story of Johnny Tremain, for example, a youth who was encouraged to risk his own life for the cause of American Independence and commit violence against British soldiers, the main impression one is left with is that America needed to have independence. The wrongfulness of encouraging or permitting such a young boy to participate in a violent resistance movement is secondary, i.m.o. (And note that in the U.S. the issue does not even come up: Johnny Tremain is unapologetically regarded as a heroic fictional character, admired in U.S. classrooms everywhere.)

I agree they should have real autonomy, but johnny Tremain is no different than British boys lying about their age to go to war, Its irrelevant, the issue is a Government targeting children with propaganda that entices them to hate Jews,attack Israeli soldiers and aspire to martyrdom.and were are not talking about teenagers here this propaganda is aimed at small children.

 

[challupa]

I think the scariest point though is the fact that if they are using children and inciting them to hate, there is absolutely no intention of this ever ending. They are training the next generation to continue the hatred and on it goes. That's what training children to hate says to me anyway...

 

[Mr Spinkles]

Again kai of course you're right, that's clearly an enormous obstacle for peace, and downright evil.
It would be interesting to examine other cases where children are indoctrinated to hate some enemy. I wonder if oppressed people often adopt such vicious propaganda, or if Hamas stands out in this regard. (I'm assuming it stands out.)

 

[kai]

Again kai of course you're right, that's clearly an enormous obstacle for peace, and downright evil.
It would be interesting to examine other cases where children are indoctrinated to hate some enemy. I wonder if oppressed people often adopt such vicious propaganda, or if Hamas stands out in this regard. (I'm assuming it stands out.)

i dont know i must look into it, do you think its unusual for an oppressed people to have their own school books and tv stations etc in order to spread this kind of propoganda?

do you think that there is a difference in being oppressed and living in a war footing for decades?

i cant think of any other place that was or is similar, is the palestian question unique?