Israel Offers Gaza Aid Corridor

[fullyveiled muslimah]

Spinkles makes a good point. The propaganda is pretty bad displayed on tv and whatnot. Then again without the television do you all think the children could come up with their own reason to downright despise the checkpoints, the soldiers, and everything else that represented to them the reason for their whole family to be dead? The reason they are maimed for life? The reason they are so impoverished? I believe without further incitement, the children will readily hate the lives they live and those they feel are responsible for it, mainly Israel.

These children are not like our children in many ways. Unlike video games and movies, they have seen and experienced firsthand the carnage of death and destruction and war. What kind of adult do you think living on those conditions will produce?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I'm sure Hamas would send rockets my way, if they could. They are no doubt a violent terrorist party. But lest we forget, an awful lot of U.S. rockets have been sent their way, and not just in the last several weeks.

And, therefore ...

 

[challupa]

Spinkles makes a good point. The propaganda is pretty bad displayed on tv and whatnot. Then again without the television do you all think the children could come up with their own reason to downright despise the checkpoints, the soldiers, and everything else that represented to them the reason for their whole family to be dead? The reason they are maimed for life? The reason they are so impoverished? I believe without further incitement, the children will readily hate the lives they live and those they feel are responsible for it, mainly Israel.

These children are not like our children in many ways. Unlike video games and movies, they have seen and experienced firsthand the carnage of death and destruction and war. What kind of adult do you think living on those conditions will produce?

I think the day to day experience of living in a "war zone" and seeing those we love die would have to making an incredible impact on the psyche of the children in those areas. I see many of the African nations having the same problems Rwanda stands out for me. They use child warriors and the hate just continues. There are many genocides happening right now and children are involved in some of them. While Hamas does not recruit children for the most part, there are regimes that do quite openly. I still say though, if nations are teaching hate to their children then it would seem to me they have no intention of trying to have peace. Teaching hate does not equal peace imo....

 

[kai]

Spinkles makes a good point. The propaganda is pretty bad displayed on tv and whatnot. Then again without the television do you all think the children could come up with their own reason to downright despise the checkpoints, the soldiers, and everything else that represented to them the reason for their whole family to be dead? The reason they are maimed for life? The reason they are so impoverished? I believe without further incitement, the children will readily hate the lives they live and those they feel are responsible for it, mainly Israel.

These children are not like our children in many ways. Unlike video games and movies, they have seen and experienced firsthand the carnage of death and destruction and war. What kind of adult do you think living on those conditions will produce?

all the more reason for adults to give those children peace.

 

[challupa]

I have a question for those who are immersed in the middle of this conflict. Is this a political war about territory or is it a religious war about God given rights? I have had so many conversations with friends and acquaintances about this subject. Everyone seems to think something different. Some are adament that it's religious and has an agenda to start WWIII and others are saying it's about territory. Now those people of course take different sides in the territory belief too. Some say it is only right that Isreal has their own state and the other side needs to accept this. Others say that it was wrong to take people's land and give it to some one else. So you see, no one seems to agree and there are so many sides to this conflict. I don't know if wanting to understand the real reason for this conflict is a pipe dream, but I thought I'd ask anyway. My guess is I'll likely get as many diverse reasons here as at home but maybe I'll get some new ones too. Thanks.

 

[emiliano]

I have a question for those who are immersed in the middle of this conflict. Is this a political war about territory or is it a religious war about God given rights? I have had so many conversations with friends and acquaintances about this subject. Everyone seems to think something different. Some are adament that it's religious and has an agenda to start WWIII and others are saying it's about territory. Now those people of course take different sides in the territory belief too. Some say it is only right that Isreal has their own state and the other side needs to accept this. Others say that it was wrong to take people's land and give it to some one else. So you see, no one seems to agree and there are so many sides to this conflict. I don't know if wanting to understand the real reason for this conflict is a pipe dream, but I thought I'd ask anyway. My guess is I'll likely get as many diverse reasons here as at home but maybe I'll get some new ones too. Thanks.

Well, think of this, What is the purpose of wars?

 

[challupa]

Well, think of this, What is the purpose of wars?

Usually to take territory and oppress/defeat the ones you take the territory from. Is that what you think this one is about?

 

[Mr Spinkles]

And, therefore ...

I'm sorry, I was mistaken to think the implication was obvious. And, therefore, perhaps it is not only immoral, but also tactically self-destructive, to provide a foreign government with arms without insisting those arms not be used to commit atrocities and violations of the Geneva conventions. I apologize for assuming that was obvious.

 

[emiliano]

Usually to take territory and oppress/defeat the ones you take the territory from. Is that what you think this one is about?

You got it, all wars are political actions and have for it purpose to gain some materialistic gain, territory, commercial routes, technology, strategic position, etc.
Oppression? That would be cost to maintain the gains, that is the price the victor pay, Now applying this to situation at hand, we have that Zionism that is a political entity has gain the land of the Palestinians, there could be religion involvement in this war in the sense that religion is use by the political entities to justify and encourage such wars. but they are political, Hamas is also a political entity that uses religion to wage war to regain the land that they wish to rule, but it is easy to see that it is essentially political. It is hard for me to understand how Christian get dupe into the idea that you mentioned earlier, that this may hasten the second advent of the Lord, when it is clear from scriptures that the kingdom of God is at hand, that is been prepare in heaven and it will descend from heaven and that is the Lord Jesus Himself that is preparing it, and that it will happen in God’s time not in Human’s time. The kingdom that Jesus preached about not of this world, it is a spiritual kingdom. Thus eternal and incorruptible, the Zionist state is of this world and is a physical thing, thus corruptible and not eternal.

 

[challupa]

You got it, all wars are political actions and have for it purpose to gain some materialistic gain, territory, commercial routes, technology, strategic position, etc.
Oppression? That would be cost to maintain the gains, that is the price the victor pay, Now applying this to situation at hand, we have that Zionism that is a political entity has gain the land of the Palestinians, there could be religion involvement in this war in the sense that religion is use by the political entities to justify and encourage such wars. but they are political, Hamas is also a political entity that uses religion to wage war to regain the land that they wish to rule, but it is easy to see that it is essentially political. It is hard for me to understand how Christian get dupe into the idea that you mentioned earlier, that this may hasten the second advent of the Lord, when it is clear from scriptures that the kingdom of God is at hand, that is been prepare in heaven and it will descend from heaven and that is the Lord Jesus Himself that is preparing it, and that it will happen in God’s time not in Human’s time. The kingdom that Jesus preached about not of this world, it is a spiritual kingdom. Thus eternal and incorruptible, the Zionist state is of this world and is a physical thing, thus corruptible and not eternal.

I would have to agree for the most part that it is political with religious teaching backing it up and being used as justification. I also cannot understand why Christians have bought into the belief that they can hasten a second coming by having the State of Israel. The problem is that many evangelical christians in the States and likely other places do believe this is true and are therefore backing this belief. It makes no sense to me but then religion doesn't make much sense to me to I guess that's part of it...

 

[emiliano]

I would have to agree for the most part that it is political with religious teaching backing it up and being used as justification. I also cannot understand why Christians have bought into the belief that they can hasten a second coming by having the State of Israel. The problem is that many evangelical christians in the States and likely other places do believe this is true and are therefore backing this belief. It makes no sense to me but then religion doesn't make much sense to me to I guess that's part of it...

And there are other doctrines that Christian in the state haves bought into, such us the idea that they are the new Israel for example, which is a combination of replacement theory and inflated ego that they have a tendency to have, they see themselves as the right hand of God, promising a era of peace, or even some kind of international police force to right all wrongs, they mean well but they are in error, I believe to God judges us in accordance to our intents more than for anything else so I don’t get exited by their ego trips, they are OK.