Israel

[seeking4truth]

Is there a solution to the problems in Israel?
What would be a just solution?

The conflict of the past seven days has surely done nothing more than create hatred and desire for revenge that will fuel more years of conflict.

 

[HonestJoe]

Is there a solution to the problems in Israel?

Three generations brought up without being indoctrinated with an irrational hatred of the "other side"? A powerful third party takes the whole place over and cracks some heads together until people start acting like human beings? A meteor strikes the Earth wiping all life from the surface of the planet?

What would be a just solution?

Establishment of a single, secular state where everyone is treated equally regardless of race, religion or sect. Not going to happen in my lifetime though (and I'm not that old).

The conflict of the past seven days has surely done nothing more than create hatred and desire for revenge that will fuel more years of conflict.

The conflict of the past seven days has been going on for decades. It just caught the attention of the western media for a little while again.

 

[sandandfoam]

Of course there is.
Eventually a settlement will be reached through agreement. Might take a long time but it will happen.

 

[Sunstone]

What would be a just solution?

I'm not sure, but it seems to me that looking for a just solution might be less fruitful than looking for a practical compromise all sides can live with -- if there is even that.

 

[Estro Felino]

Is there a solution to the problems in Israel?
What would be a just solution?

The conflict of the past seven days has surely done nothing more than create hatred and desire for revenge that will fuel more years of conflict.

There was no problem before the state of Israel was founded in the fourties.
It is impossible and unnatural to create a state artificially, given that a state is the result of a very delicate historical process, based upon cultural exchanges and dialog (but sometimes upon wars and conflicts too).
By now the damage has already been done, and so therefore, Palestinians and Jews are supposed to live together pacifically.

But they never will, because they both lack humility and love toward the neighbor.

 

[GoodbyeDave]

Establishment of a single, secular state where everyone is treated equally regardless of race, religion or sect. Not going to happen in my lifetime though (and I'm not that old).

That is the only solution which would work, but we aren't getting anywhere near it. The alternative is that eventually the USA will cease to bank-roll Israel and there will be an Arab-Israeli war which the heavily-outnumbered Jews will loose. The consequences of that in human suffering will be appalling.

 

[Curious_Cat]

Of course there is.
Eventually a settlement will be reached through agreement. Might take a long time but it will happen.

I dont see it happening ever, especially after the Dome of the rock is destroyed and the Temple is rebuilt. I see that happening in the next 50 years.

 

[Curious_Cat]

That is the only solution which would work, but we aren't getting anywhere near it. The alternative is that eventually the USA will cease to bank-roll Israel and there will be an Arab-Israeli war which the heavily-outnumbered Jews will loose. The consequences of that in human suffering will be appalling.

I think youve got it wrong, eventually the US will be insignificant and Israels bitzch.

 

[Amechania]

Is there a solution to the problems in Israel?
What would be a just solution?

The conflict of the past seven days has surely done nothing more than create hatred and desire for revenge that will fuel more years of conflict.

This might help in the short term:

The FY2014 Consolidated Appropriations Act (P.L. 113-76) provides the President’s full $3.1
billion request in FMF for Israel. In addition, it provides another $504 million in funding for
research, development, and production of Israel’s Iron Dome anti-rocket system ($235 million)
and of the joint U.S.-Israel missile defense systems David’s Sling ($149.7 million), the Arrow
improvement program (or Arrow II, $44.3 million), and Arrow III ($74.7 million).
~Jeremy M. Sharp
Specialist in Middle Eastern Affairs

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

It is impossible and unnatural to create a state artificially, ...

You mean like Jordan and Syria?

 

[Curious_Cat]

You mean like Jordan and Syria?

You forgot Iraq.

 

[Estro Felino]

You mean like Jordan and Syria?

Jordan and Syria were already inhabited by Muslims. I meant that it is unnatural to take an entire nation and transfer them into a country which is already occupied by another nation.

 

[Flankerl]

Oh great another one.

I dont see it happening ever, especially after the Dome of the rock is destroyed and the Temple is rebuilt. I see that happening in the next 50 years.

Do tell.

 

[columbus]

Is there a solution to the problems in Israel?
What would be a just solution?

The conflict of the past seven days has surely done nothing more than create hatred and desire for revenge that will fuel more years of conflict.

There is a solution. Unfortunately it probably requires vastly more violence. The hope that Palestinians will be bludgeoned into acquiescence is no more likely than Zionists accepting a single secular state. Zionists have good reason not to trust the Muslim leaders, and Palestinians have been strung along for generations by corrupt leaders promising what can't be delivered. But the egg cannot be unscrambled either.

Hamas' days look numbered. That will leave a power vacuum. I expect it to be filled by some group better organized, funded, and armed. I think 2015 is going to be worst year there since 1967. Iran is no longer cowed by USA military muscle. Isis keeps growing in power. Egypt is a mess. Nothing is certain except that the people who matter still think violence will get them what they want. This isn't new and it isn't getting better.

It's getting worse.

Tom

 

[columbus]

People seem to think Israel was conjured up by the UN in the forties. It wasn't.

Jewish people had been moving there to escape the anti-jewish sentiment in Christendom for almost a century. Jewish people bought their homes there, mainly from Syrian absentee owners. They already had a community when the winning side of WWII realized just how spectacular the horrors of Christendom had been. And they didn't care much about the locals who had mainly supported the AXIS.

But the Jews had been there for decades and mostly got along with the Palestinians. Most of the problems revolved around the fact that Syrians had sold them prime property, which they were accustomed to viewing as common property, because they didn't know about the Syrian owners. If, for instance, that property included a water supply you were accustomed to using, finding it now owned by someone else was disconcerting and angering. But the Palestinian people also commonly clumped around the Jewish communities for economic and practical reasons.

There is a good book by Alan Dershowitz called "The Case for Israel". D makes no secret of his militant proZionism. But he is brilliant, thorough, and accurate. I recommend it highly if you want to understand the situation from a historical standpoint.

Tom

 

[ametist]

It requires brilliant sincere leaders from both sides who have hope and love in their hearts. I think it is possible.

 

[Curious_Cat]

People seem to think Israel was conjured up by the UN in the forties. It wasn't.
Tom

First Zionist Congress - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

They have been working towards it way before the 40's..

Zionism aims at establishing for the Jewish people a publicly and legally assured home in Palestine. For the attainment of this purpose, the Congress considers the following means serviceable:
1. The promotion of the settlement of Jewish agriculturists, artisans, and tradesmen in Palestine.

2. The federation of all Jews into local or general groups, according to the laws of the various countries.

3. The strengthening of the Jewish feeling and consciousness.

4. Preparatory steps for the attainment of those governmental grants which are necessary to the achievement of the Zionist purpose.
First Zionist Congress - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I think youve got it wrong, eventually the US will be insignificant and Israels bitzch.

We're China's *****, not Israel's. The West is on the way out.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I don't have any hope of a solution. Both sides have ethnic bigotry and religious fanaticism running wild. The Jews think God gave them that land as an eternal inheritance (despite the fact that many Jews have no genetic ties to that land, so it's a religious claim, first and foremost) and the Arabs are fanatical about Islamic nationalism and that is certainly on the ascendency throughout the world. Both are tribalistic ideologies that put "their own kind" first.

 

[Curious_Cat]

We're China's *****, not Israel's. The West is on the way out.

Better hide your pets ey!?

Im joking.