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Israeli Cabinet passes loyalty bill, Arabs angry
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croak
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I don't have a barn to be burnt down. Although they might burn down my tree.... BLASPHEMY.
Etritonakin
Well-Known Member
Understandable.
Generally speaking, it relates due to the fact that peace in the middle east is already "scheduled", so to speak. The oath herein discussed is a small part of a huge problem -for which a solution has been decreed by the God who declared the end from the beginning.
In the bible are contained God's decrees concerning both the house of Israel and the house of Judah's expulsion -by God allowing human powers to prevail against them, etc. -from the holy land -their wanderings among gentile nations and being subject to war and persecution, etc. -and also the fact that they (house of Judah first -before the "tribulation" -before the house of Israel... which will return [what is left of them]after the "tribulation") would once again return to around Jerusalem -all of which have come to pass.
It also contains decrees of God concerning things that are happening now -and which will soon happen.
This refers to Israel's (primarily the house of Judah -the "Jews") strength since returning to Jerusalem...
Zec 12:6 In that day will I make the governors of Judah like an hearth of fire among the wood, and like a torch of fire in a sheaf; and they shall devour all the people round about, on the right hand and on the left: and Jerusalem shall be inhabited again in her own place, even in Jerusalem.
We see this situation developing -some of it has happened/is happening -though all of it has not yet happened.....
Zec 12:2 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.
Zec 12:3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.
The middle east peace problem (rather, people's obsession with hating Jews -though they sometimes don't do themselves any favors) is increasingly central to world affairs -and threatens to destabilize the whole world -leading to WWIII.
The situation will actually lead to an attempt at a final "final solution" to the "Jewish problem".
Historically, the Assyrians have been troublesome for Israel -and especially the Jews (house of Judah). God, in the bible, even calls them the rod of his anger against Israel (Isaiah 10). When ancient Assyria fell, the descendents of the ruling/warring classes relocated to Haran -NW of Nineveh -then continued migrating NW -eventually reaching what is now Germany (outlined in riddle and parable in Ezekiel 17). Though the word "Aryan" is used loosely... as it relates to the Nazis, it truly means to be of Assyrian descent. They even had plans to recapture their "homeland" -the area around Iraq, etc... where ancient Assyria was located.
The Assyrians -Nazis controlling the E.U. (which was their brainchild) -and one in particular which will rule -will eventually attempt this final final solution -which is called the "abomination of desolation" in the bible.
Some believe that the taking away of the "daily" and the "abomination of desolation" are one in the same -and that it refers to a cessation of sacrifices in the temple at Jerusalem -which would require that it first be rebuilt and sacrifices made there, but they are actually two different events separated by 1,290 days.
The taking away of the "daily" (the word sacrifice is not actually used in the bible -but added in translation) does not refer to physical sacrifices is a physical temple, but that which is done by the spiritual temple -which is God's church. [Many claim to be God's church, but they are those who keep his commandments and holy days -and preach his gospel -of the kingdom -on earth -before the end. Many today preach a gospel and teach a religion which is not biblical.]
The abomination of desolation in the end time is a physical destruction of Jerusalem.... 1,290 days after God's church is caused to cease their end-time work -the Assyrian does both -partly by employing others to that end... (I will explain later why this king in Daniel -called a king of fierce countenance/king of the north elsewhere in that book -is(are) the Assyrian(s).
Dan 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
Dan 11:30 For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.
Dan 11:31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
Dan 11:32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.
Dan 8:12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.
The above verse is even happening now.
The following explain the daily (preaching of the gospel of the kingdom before the end) and the abomination of desolation (destruction of Jerusalem)...
Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
Mar 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:
Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
Luk 21:21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
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Etritonakin
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At about this time, Christ will return -and will break the Assyrian -and the other armies of the earth -which will have been gathered in the valley of Meggido (Armageddon) to fight each other -but who will turn to fight the returning Christ. His return will not be as before, but in power and glory...
Zec 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
Zec 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Zec 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
Zec 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
Zec 14:5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains.............
Rev 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
Zec 14:12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
As for why the Assyrian is the main player...
Isa 14:24 The LORD of hosts hath sworn, saying, Surely as I have thought, so shall it come to pass; and as I have purposed, so shall it stand:
Isa 14:25 That I will break the Assyrian in my land, and upon my mountains tread him under foot: then shall his yoke depart from off them, and his burden depart from off their shoulders.
Isa 14:26 This is the purpose that is purposed upon the whole earth: and this is the hand that is stretched out upon all the nations.
Isa 14:27 For the LORD of hosts hath purposed, and who shall disannul it? and his hand is stretched out, and who shall turn it back?
Isa 10:22 For though thy people Israel be as the sand of the sea, yet a remnant of them shall return: the consumption decreed shall overflow with righteousness.
Isa 10:23 For the Lord GOD of hosts shall make a consumption, even determined, in the midst of all the land.
Isa 10:24 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD of hosts, O my people that dwellest in Zion, be not afraid of the Assyrian: he shall smite thee with a rod, and shall lift up his staff against thee, after the manner of Egypt.
Isa 10:25 For yet a very little while, and the indignation shall cease, and mine anger in their destruction.
Isa 30:30 And the LORD shall cause his glorious voice to be heard, and shall shew the lighting down of his arm, with the indignation of his anger, and with the flame of a devouring fire, with scattering, and tempest, and hailstones.
Isa 30:31 For through the voice of the LORD shall the Assyrian be beaten down, which smote with a rod.
Dan 8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.
Dan 11:40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.
Dan 11:41 He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.
Dan 11:42 He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape.
Dan 11:43 But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.
Dan 11:44 But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.
Dan 11:45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.
After the daily is taken away -which is now being accomplished (ahem!) by the host that is given to him against it -by the "CRAFT" which is prospering in his hand (a mingling of witchcreaft and spycraft -[again, ahem!]) -the "tribulation" begins.
Israel will be attacked by its neighbors -backed by others -for 42 months, and the modern nations of the house of Israel will fall (the U.S., Britain, Australia, etc..).
Iran, et al will push against the EU, the EU will pass over them like a whirlwind on their way to the holy land, Russia and China will attack the E.U., but will also be in it for what they can gain -they eventually will gather in Meggido, etc..., etc...
God has -and will -put Israel -especially the Jews -through much -but because he loves them and chastens them -refines them -purifies them.
All things FIRST to the Jew -even tribulation. God loves the gentiles also, but has chosen the order by which things will be accomplished. God is equal -and there will be peace soon.
Though Israel will inhabit Jerusalem then -which may irk some others to hear, things will be different then.
God is about to allow Israel to be attacked -a time called the time of the gentiles in the bible -due to some of their imperfections and even their ways against their neighbors -- which has already irked some Jews upon hearing it -but this is to perfect them.
He will save Judah first just as he gave them tribulation first -even more so than the rest of Israel...
Zec 12:7 The LORD also shall save the tents of Judah first, that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem do not magnify themselves against Judah.
Zec 12:8 In that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them.
Rom 2:9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
Rom 2:10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
Rom 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
....more later.
At about this time, Christ will return -and will break the Assyrian -and the other armies of the earth -which will have been gathered in the valley of Meggido (Armageddon) to fight each other -but who will turn to fight the returning Christ. His return will not be as before, but in power and glory...
Zec 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
Zec 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Zec 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
Zec 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
Zec 14:5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains.............
Rev 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
Zec 14:12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
As for why the Assyrian is the main player...
Isa 14:24 The LORD of hosts hath sworn, saying, Surely as I have thought, so shall it come to pass; and as I have purposed, so shall it stand:
Isa 14:25 That I will break the Assyrian in my land, and upon my mountains tread him under foot: then shall his yoke depart from off them, and his burden depart from off their shoulders.
Isa 14:26 This is the purpose that is purposed upon the whole earth: and this is the hand that is stretched out upon all the nations.
Isa 14:27 For the LORD of hosts hath purposed, and who shall disannul it? and his hand is stretched out, and who shall turn it back?
Isa 10:22 For though thy people Israel be as the sand of the sea, yet a remnant of them shall return: the consumption decreed shall overflow with righteousness.
Isa 10:23 For the Lord GOD of hosts shall make a consumption, even determined, in the midst of all the land.
Isa 10:24 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD of hosts, O my people that dwellest in Zion, be not afraid of the Assyrian: he shall smite thee with a rod, and shall lift up his staff against thee, after the manner of Egypt.
Isa 10:25 For yet a very little while, and the indignation shall cease, and mine anger in their destruction.
Isa 30:30 And the LORD shall cause his glorious voice to be heard, and shall shew the lighting down of his arm, with the indignation of his anger, and with the flame of a devouring fire, with scattering, and tempest, and hailstones.
Isa 30:31 For through the voice of the LORD shall the Assyrian be beaten down, which smote with a rod.
Dan 8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.
Dan 11:40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.
Dan 11:41 He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.
Dan 11:42 He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape.
Dan 11:43 But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.
Dan 11:44 But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.
Dan 11:45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.
After the daily is taken away -which is now being accomplished (ahem!) by the host that is given to him against it -by the "CRAFT" which is prospering in his hand (a mingling of witchcreaft and spycraft -[again, ahem!]) -the "tribulation" begins.
Israel will be attacked by its neighbors -backed by others -for 42 months, and the modern nations of the house of Israel will fall (the U.S., Britain, Australia, etc..).
Iran, et al will push against the EU, the EU will pass over them like a whirlwind on their way to the holy land, Russia and China will attack the E.U., but will also be in it for what they can gain -they eventually will gather in Meggido, etc..., etc...
God has -and will -put Israel -especially the Jews -through much -but because he loves them and chastens them -refines them -purifies them.
All things FIRST to the Jew -even tribulation. God loves the gentiles also, but has chosen the order by which things will be accomplished. God is equal -and there will be peace soon.
Though Israel will inhabit Jerusalem then -which may irk some others to hear, things will be different then.
God is about to allow Israel to be attacked -a time called the time of the gentiles in the bible -due to some of their imperfections and even their ways against their neighbors -- which has already irked some Jews upon hearing it -but this is to perfect them.
He will save Judah first just as he gave them tribulation first -even more so than the rest of Israel...
Zec 12:7 The LORD also shall save the tents of Judah first, that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem do not magnify themselves against Judah.
Zec 12:8 In that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them.
Rom 2:9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
Rom 2:10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
Rom 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
....more later.
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Etritonakin
Well-Known Member
It puts the bill into perspective -as something which is indicative of the trouble which will soon erupt -and as something which will soon not be necessary.
The bill is not wrong in itself -but it will not change anything. It is not a cause of trouble, but it does shed light on the trouble which already exists -and people may use it as an excuse for trouble -on either "side".
but... soon... there won't be sides.
17Is it not yet a very little while, and Lebanon shall be turned into a fruitful field, and the fruitful field shall be esteemed as a forest?
(This chapter focuses on ways some Israelis have allowed themselves to adopt as a response to their problems within and without -with which God takes issue -and for which he will allow them to be attacked. Israel has every right to exist -and have not been treated fairly, but this has led some to become like that which they denounce. Therefore God will chasten them -purify them -by the sword. Then he will deal kindly with them.)
The bill is not wrong in itself -but it will not change anything. It is not a cause of trouble, but it does shed light on the trouble which already exists -and people may use it as an excuse for trouble -on either "side".
but... soon... there won't be sides.
17Is it not yet a very little while, and Lebanon shall be turned into a fruitful field, and the fruitful field shall be esteemed as a forest?
(This chapter focuses on ways some Israelis have allowed themselves to adopt as a response to their problems within and without -with which God takes issue -and for which he will allow them to be attacked. Israel has every right to exist -and have not been treated fairly, but this has led some to become like that which they denounce. Therefore God will chasten them -purify them -by the sword. Then he will deal kindly with them.)
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dust1n
Zindīq
No, it doesn't at all. In fact, it doesn't even mention the bill in its entirety.
How productive. Tell you what. I will take the stance that peace is achievable and worth working for. If you want to keep telling yourself that war is inevitable and thus justify your reasoning for doing anything to stop a giant war, because it 'fulfills' a 'prophecy' from a book written by goat herders.
The bill is not wrong in itself -but it will not change anything. It is not a cause of trouble, but it does shed light on the trouble which already exists -and people may use it as an excuse for trouble -on either "side".
but... soon... there won't be sides.
What a sick **** God is.
Etritonakin
Well-Known Member
You just don't understand him.
I do what I can to prevent a "giant war" by telling those who do err exactly how they do err -and what needs to change -which is the only thing that can possibly help. I refuse to shoot or blow up other people or stir up strife -and if everyone did that we'd have PEACE.
We are the sick ones! God is not making us do what we do -he does not make us choose to be cruel, intolerant, warmongers, inventors of evil, etc... and without him directing our natural tendencies, which are due to our ignorance and unwillingness to be taught by God what is right to do, we must learn the lesson that OUR CHOICES and OUR BEST ATTEMPTS AT PEACEKEEPING will only lead to our complete self-annihilation. God is LOVING enough to prevent this just before it is complete, and allow it to nearly happen so that we may understand THAT WE ARE INCAPABLE OF BRINGING PEACE TO EARTH -and LOVING enough to let us choose as WE WILL -and STILL bear with us as we learn -and prevent our complete self-annihilation that we might then be taught what is right -AND ACCEPT IT.
He will ALLOW what WE CHOOSE because it is what WE CHOOSE -and we would complain if he did not!
Why call God sick because men choose to harm each other? Because he allows it?
He allows it in order to eventually completely eradicate the very possibility -then he will renew and heal EVERYTHING and EVERYONE WE HAVE DESTROYED AND KILLED.
Pro 16:7 When a man's ways please the LORD, he maketh even his enemies to be at peace with him.
Pro 14:12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.
Rom 3:15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:
Rom 3:16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:
Rom 3:17 And the way of peace have they not known:
Rom 3:18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.
I do what I can to prevent a "giant war" by telling those who do err exactly how they do err -and what needs to change -which is the only thing that can possibly help. I refuse to shoot or blow up other people or stir up strife -and if everyone did that we'd have PEACE.
We are the sick ones! God is not making us do what we do -he does not make us choose to be cruel, intolerant, warmongers, inventors of evil, etc... and without him directing our natural tendencies, which are due to our ignorance and unwillingness to be taught by God what is right to do, we must learn the lesson that OUR CHOICES and OUR BEST ATTEMPTS AT PEACEKEEPING will only lead to our complete self-annihilation. God is LOVING enough to prevent this just before it is complete, and allow it to nearly happen so that we may understand THAT WE ARE INCAPABLE OF BRINGING PEACE TO EARTH -and LOVING enough to let us choose as WE WILL -and STILL bear with us as we learn -and prevent our complete self-annihilation that we might then be taught what is right -AND ACCEPT IT.
He will ALLOW what WE CHOOSE because it is what WE CHOOSE -and we would complain if he did not!
Why call God sick because men choose to harm each other? Because he allows it?
He allows it in order to eventually completely eradicate the very possibility -then he will renew and heal EVERYTHING and EVERYONE WE HAVE DESTROYED AND KILLED.
Pro 16:7 When a man's ways please the LORD, he maketh even his enemies to be at peace with him.
Pro 14:12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.
Rom 3:15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:
Rom 3:16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:
Rom 3:17 And the way of peace have they not known:
Rom 3:18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.
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dust1n
Zindīq
Oh. I didn't realize you did.
I do what I can to prevent a "giant war"? No one does that.
What are you talking about? I'm not in the conflict.
Etritonakin
Well-Known Member
I do understand him -and you still do not.
He could make us all obey -make us like computers or robots -but his purpose is to reproduce himself -and, yes, apparently MAN sees that MAN must kill millions and millions of people -while God has WISELY planned to resurrect them after WE stop choosing to kill them (rather -after he FORCES us to stop killing each other just before we are completely destroyed). Do you think you would have any better luck than him in sending a message to the leaders of nations to stop killing each other? YES -WE MUST REACH THE POINT OF SELF-ANNIHILATION BEFORE WE -AS A SPECIES -HAVE ANY HOPE OF PEACE. HE WILL STOP US BEFORE WE DO SO -BUT WE CAN NEVER AGAIN DENY OR DOUBT THAT WE WOULD HAVE DONE SO -AND THAT WE ARE INCAPABLE OF UNIVERSAL PEACE WITHOUT OBEDIENCE TO GOD. HE IS NOT MAKING IT HAPPEN -HE KNOWS IT WILL HAPPEN BECAUSE WE CHOSE DEATH -AND CHOOSE IT EVERY DAY. There is a time for war -and that time is when men are still ignorant enough to see it as necessary. There is a time for peace -and that time is when we have SEEN ITS END -and never choose it again! Those who see its end and still refuse to be peaceful WILL BE DESTROYED AND NOT INHABIT ETERNITY.
God dealt with men time and time again -and they consistently rejected him. Now we must learn the hard way -because we chose it -and still choose it. If he tried yet again to reason with us we would still reject him. The lesson MUST be learned. FORTUNATELY, he can make all things new.
There are only so many options. He could destroy us completely. He could take away choice (a requirement for creativity -and the gods he is creating need that). He could force us to comply before the lesson is learned -inevitably resulting in rebellion. He could leave us to ourselves -eventually ending in self-annihilation or, at the very least, consistently miserable conditions. He could allow us to endlessly subdivide the universe due to differing beliefs (not that we'd get that far without destroying ourselves!)-or, he could do what he has purposed all along.
We did not ask to be here -that much is true. It is impossible for new creatures to do so.
He gave us creativity -which requires choice -so that we might eventually create magnificent things without conflict. He did not give us freee will, as some perceive it -her gave us a choice between life and death. Obedience to him is the only way to eternal life, peace and happiness. That is simply the truth. We are not capable of bringing about peace. Even if some were able of themselves, they could not address the issue of others destroying that peace.
God takes full responsibility for ALLOWING US to do as WE CHOOSE for NOW -and for a very great purpose. He is not numb to how we treat each other -and will soon wipe away all tears.
Stark? Harsh? Yes. But there is no other way to create gods.
All for whom we mourn will be resurrected, healed of any pain -even in memory -and be given the opportunity to live forever -creating wonderful things throughout the universe forever.
I have lost people -seen horrible things done to people I Iove -and I thank God every day for the understanding he has given me!
GOD IS NOT SICK. LIFE IS A GOOD DEAL!
I eagerly await seeing all those I have lost to the sword alive again -when we no longer learn war!
As for hell -no one is now in hell -except the grave. You do not understand that, either -but that is understandable.
In fact, according to the bible, no man has ascended to heaven except Christ. Few actually read the bible.
Christ will return -destroy those who destroy the earth -enforce and teach peace -resurrect the dead in Christ to the first resurrection when he returns, or the rest of the dead (all who have ever lived from Adam) to the second resurrection 1,000 years later... some to life then -if their works warrant it -and some to gehenna -if their works warrant it.... but even gehenna is not as you may have heard.
Some may eventually be completely destroyed in gehenna -but they would not be the sort you would miss!
God exists! If he did not -and this is all there was.... THAT would be sick -because we ARE NOT GETTING BETTER.
"I do what I can to prevent a giant war"? No one does that.
THAT'S THE PROBLEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He could make us all obey -make us like computers or robots -but his purpose is to reproduce himself -and, yes, apparently MAN sees that MAN must kill millions and millions of people -while God has WISELY planned to resurrect them after WE stop choosing to kill them (rather -after he FORCES us to stop killing each other just before we are completely destroyed). Do you think you would have any better luck than him in sending a message to the leaders of nations to stop killing each other? YES -WE MUST REACH THE POINT OF SELF-ANNIHILATION BEFORE WE -AS A SPECIES -HAVE ANY HOPE OF PEACE. HE WILL STOP US BEFORE WE DO SO -BUT WE CAN NEVER AGAIN DENY OR DOUBT THAT WE WOULD HAVE DONE SO -AND THAT WE ARE INCAPABLE OF UNIVERSAL PEACE WITHOUT OBEDIENCE TO GOD. HE IS NOT MAKING IT HAPPEN -HE KNOWS IT WILL HAPPEN BECAUSE WE CHOSE DEATH -AND CHOOSE IT EVERY DAY. There is a time for war -and that time is when men are still ignorant enough to see it as necessary. There is a time for peace -and that time is when we have SEEN ITS END -and never choose it again! Those who see its end and still refuse to be peaceful WILL BE DESTROYED AND NOT INHABIT ETERNITY.
God dealt with men time and time again -and they consistently rejected him. Now we must learn the hard way -because we chose it -and still choose it. If he tried yet again to reason with us we would still reject him. The lesson MUST be learned. FORTUNATELY, he can make all things new.
There are only so many options. He could destroy us completely. He could take away choice (a requirement for creativity -and the gods he is creating need that). He could force us to comply before the lesson is learned -inevitably resulting in rebellion. He could leave us to ourselves -eventually ending in self-annihilation or, at the very least, consistently miserable conditions. He could allow us to endlessly subdivide the universe due to differing beliefs (not that we'd get that far without destroying ourselves!)-or, he could do what he has purposed all along.
We did not ask to be here -that much is true. It is impossible for new creatures to do so.
He gave us creativity -which requires choice -so that we might eventually create magnificent things without conflict. He did not give us freee will, as some perceive it -her gave us a choice between life and death. Obedience to him is the only way to eternal life, peace and happiness. That is simply the truth. We are not capable of bringing about peace. Even if some were able of themselves, they could not address the issue of others destroying that peace.
God takes full responsibility for ALLOWING US to do as WE CHOOSE for NOW -and for a very great purpose. He is not numb to how we treat each other -and will soon wipe away all tears.
Stark? Harsh? Yes. But there is no other way to create gods.
All for whom we mourn will be resurrected, healed of any pain -even in memory -and be given the opportunity to live forever -creating wonderful things throughout the universe forever.
I have lost people -seen horrible things done to people I Iove -and I thank God every day for the understanding he has given me!
GOD IS NOT SICK. LIFE IS A GOOD DEAL!
I eagerly await seeing all those I have lost to the sword alive again -when we no longer learn war!
As for hell -no one is now in hell -except the grave. You do not understand that, either -but that is understandable.
In fact, according to the bible, no man has ascended to heaven except Christ. Few actually read the bible.
Christ will return -destroy those who destroy the earth -enforce and teach peace -resurrect the dead in Christ to the first resurrection when he returns, or the rest of the dead (all who have ever lived from Adam) to the second resurrection 1,000 years later... some to life then -if their works warrant it -and some to gehenna -if their works warrant it.... but even gehenna is not as you may have heard.
Some may eventually be completely destroyed in gehenna -but they would not be the sort you would miss!
God exists! If he did not -and this is all there was.... THAT would be sick -because we ARE NOT GETTING BETTER.
"I do what I can to prevent a giant war"? No one does that.
THAT'S THE PROBLEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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dust1n
Zindīq
By no means of the definition of 'understand' can you understand God. That is part of what makes him God.
How does acting after waiting until we have utterly destroy ourselves make any sense, if he is going to make us stop anyways. He could make us all obey, be is choosing only to do so on his timing.
Yes.. Directly.
So you are advocating the near self-annihilation stage.
Then we become those robots you spoke us earlier. Why the carnage beforehand, again?
I love it when people spout off all the things they know when they have no actual way of knowing it.
No I don't.
So you are advocating war?
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Hahahaha.
He never dealt with me? Why was I pre-rejected?
No, actually I would choose the robot scenario.
Reason is all I'm asking for.
Even did, why did he try in the first place knowing it would fail over and over?
Sounds like something from the classroom.
But chooses to wait after hundreds of thousands of children starve to death under his watch. What lesson are they learning?
Or we could actively as reasoned men to prevent wars.
Now we are talking...
...and then you went into something irrelevant to what you just said.
No.. it's not. It is unfortunate how much you assert it with no proof.
So you advocate not bringing about peace.
Did you ever think maybe they think it's futile and thus do not ever address the issue?
It the mean time, a hundred more children starve to death in the time in took to post this reply.
Who created god? And how do you think you KNOW this with absolutely no evidence to back it up.
...sigh...
I'm sorry for your lost. I hope one day you will thank yourself for the understanding that you alone created.
Psss.. I don't even believe that ****, let alone the starving children.
Yea, while you await, I propose actively promoting ways to make war unattainable and undesirable.
No, it's not.
You wouldn't know a fact if it died on the cross and resurrected in three days.
I actually read it... soo... what are you getting at?
...sigh...
No, but they would be the sort I would prefer to be in jail or rehabilitation, not gehenna.
I know, which makes you wonder how you think of a world full of murder, child starving, sex slavery, etc. is not sick when God exists but does nothing to stop it then when it just exists and there is no God.
What's the problem? That you said you do what you can to prevent a giant war and then admit its a problem that you don't?
And really, replying shouldn't be necessary, but your posts have not even got close to addressing THE LOYALTY BILL at all. Why you continue to post in this thread about everything not related to the actual thread is beyond me.
Etritonakin
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That is not at all part of what makes him God. Technically, it is true that he is able to conceal things from us, but he is God because he is perfect -and perfectly understandable when we are capable of perfect understanding.
So...... Let's assume, for argument's sake, that God does not exist.
What's your plan?
What is the way to peace -if any -and how do we get everyone to agree (including new generations)???
If God does not exist, is man sick? What is the answer to man's sickness? Extinction?
Are we sick -imperfect -or just at some inevitable stage of evolution? Can we choose to be different? Can we affect our evolution? Can we design our future? Can we agree enough to do so without misery or self-annihilation? What's the use if we all just die? It would be good for future generations, but what is the overall goal?
God DID DIRECTLY DEAL WITH MEN -THERE IS A WRITTEN RECORD OF IT -BUT MANY DON'T BELIEVE IT IS TRUE -WHY WOULD NOW BE ANY DIFFERENT????
I DO WHAT IT TAKES FOR PEACE AND LEARN TO DO IT MORE EFFECTIVELY EVERY DAY -BUT PEACE MUST BE UNIVERSAL.
He reasoned with us over and over so that WE would see that it was not enough! We, as a whole, need EXPERIENCE. He has reasoned with some -and they have agreed with him.
So...... Let's assume, for argument's sake, that God does not exist.
What's your plan?
What is the way to peace -if any -and how do we get everyone to agree (including new generations)???
If God does not exist, is man sick? What is the answer to man's sickness? Extinction?
Are we sick -imperfect -or just at some inevitable stage of evolution? Can we choose to be different? Can we affect our evolution? Can we design our future? Can we agree enough to do so without misery or self-annihilation? What's the use if we all just die? It would be good for future generations, but what is the overall goal?
God DID DIRECTLY DEAL WITH MEN -THERE IS A WRITTEN RECORD OF IT -BUT MANY DON'T BELIEVE IT IS TRUE -WHY WOULD NOW BE ANY DIFFERENT????
I DO WHAT IT TAKES FOR PEACE AND LEARN TO DO IT MORE EFFECTIVELY EVERY DAY -BUT PEACE MUST BE UNIVERSAL.
He reasoned with us over and over so that WE would see that it was not enough! We, as a whole, need EXPERIENCE. He has reasoned with some -and they have agreed with him.
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Etritonakin
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Hello???
dust1n
Zindīq
Haha.
Um.. live.. and then die at some point in time.
Wait for God to allow us all to simultaneously learn a lesson that we can't be peaceful without him.. duh.
More seriously though, We are able to move a mountain when we're willing to move the mountain one small stone at a time.
Well, I got a cold right now, so...
Medication?
The latter.
To a certain degree.
Yes. Guess what Happy Meals everyday would do.
We already are.
On a large war scale, probably.
Seems like a question you might want to find the answer for yourself.
No there isn't.
I don't let goat herders from 2 millennium ago determine what now or the future is for me.
Nah.. no one does what it takes for peace.. because world peace is not a reality right now. If anyone did what it took for peace, there would be peace. Since there is no peace, it is say to conclude that no one has done what it takes for peace.
But, I should note that peace can be won in certain contexts and area all the time.
I had neither of those two things, and it is pretty obvious to me.
dust1n
Zindīq
This is what I feel like I am asking whenever I say,
"WHAT DOES ANY OF THIS HAVE TO DO WITH THE LOYALTY BILL!?"
Etritonakin
Well-Known Member
"I don't let goat herders from 2 millennium ago determine what now or the future is for me." -and if God simply appeared to our world leaders -and asked them to stop doing bad things, that's what people would be saying about them 2,000 years later. This time, however, he's going to enforce it.
You are kinda frustrating, but I like you.
I think I explained how it relates quite well, but I do understand that it seems ridiculous at this point. This bill will not matter when Christ rules Earth from Jerusalem.
I can't see how our being merely in a some stage of evolution could be seen as any more logical -or especially any more desireable -than God making all things new after we learn.
One might think that God personally and directly dealing with world leaders would change something -perhaps like the new star which caused the Americans and Soviets to seek peace at the end of "2010" -but we are just not the sort to be told what to do -even if it is to our benefit. If "2010" were real, you could bet we'd be on our way to Europa a.s.a.p. with a huge miltary force!
God will again deal directly with men very soon -and in no uncertain terms.
He is sending his Son to rule Earth. The meek shall inherit the earth -and will rule with him as kings and priests -and those who meet his return with force will be answered with force (though even those will have opportunity to live forever).
You are kinda frustrating, but I like you.
I think I explained how it relates quite well, but I do understand that it seems ridiculous at this point. This bill will not matter when Christ rules Earth from Jerusalem.
I can't see how our being merely in a some stage of evolution could be seen as any more logical -or especially any more desireable -than God making all things new after we learn.
One might think that God personally and directly dealing with world leaders would change something -perhaps like the new star which caused the Americans and Soviets to seek peace at the end of "2010" -but we are just not the sort to be told what to do -even if it is to our benefit. If "2010" were real, you could bet we'd be on our way to Europa a.s.a.p. with a huge miltary force!
God will again deal directly with men very soon -and in no uncertain terms.
He is sending his Son to rule Earth. The meek shall inherit the earth -and will rule with him as kings and priests -and those who meet his return with force will be answered with force (though even those will have opportunity to live forever).
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Etritonakin
Well-Known Member
Let's say you are the any"ONE" who did what it took for world peace...
what would that be?
Would you find a way to perfectly teach children of successive genrations not to war? How?
Would you be the leader of a world government able to suppress all opposition, and choose successors who would do exactly the same????? Would your subjects be happy??
What?
croak
Trickster
Or encyclopedias....Are you guys drafting novels or what
To be perfectly honest, I can't really keep up with it. Loyalty bill anyone? I'll start it off again:
Loyalty bill! I am Arab and I am angry (but not boiling with rage)! I'm not Israeli, though.
And no matter whether the apocalypse occurs or not, you can still be happy or upset with the bill in terms of, well, how it affects the world at the current moment. If you're happy because it will help bring about the apocalypse... I don't know.
But why do we even need to bring up the apocalypse?
Then again, maybe no one's really interested in this thread anymore. Ah well.