Issue with the American Left.

[Father]

Cite some actual examples.

education. it's not that blacks don't have access to Good education based on race. its the one'es complaining about it are in poor area's and so its due to being in low-class areas. it would be the same going out to a small town in the midwest.

for representation, the predominant race of a location normally has most representation in its culture or media. it's not racism as it's not the deliberate not representing of other race's it's just a natural occurrence.

 

[Father]

Wtf "Survival of the fittest" is a phrase that originated from Darwinian evolutionary theory as a way of describing the mechanism of natural selection .
The followers of this theory suffer from psychosis

you don't have to follow it. we have a predisposition to it. this is revealed in different ways. class. Power structures discrimination, racism.

to call the followers of it suffers from a mental illness is to reject all of History and Human nature. it's not something to follow. its a natural LAW all animals bound to

 

[Father]

Wtf "Survival of the fittest" is a phrase that originated from Darwinian evolutionary theory as a way of describing the mechanism of natural selection .
The followers of this theory suffer from psychosis

furthermore being a Satanist when one of the tenets of Satanism is

"Beliefs should conform to our best scientific understanding of the world. We should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit our beliefs."

so you're a bit of a hypocrite

as its hardly a theory just a fact. the strong will always overcome the weak. strengthen has many types of course. intelligence. bruteness. many others. we are smarter than all other animals which is why we overcome. tame, enslave, and devour them. to say the strong dont rule the weak you might as well stop buying meat. or animal product.

 

[Kapalika]

thoughts?

Based on how you described the video I think you missed the entire point of it. Also race and class are pretty linked since historically black families were forced into bad neighborhoods purely on a racial basis. How you don't know this I would chalk up to our poor education system that likes to white wash the past.

Yes, there are poor white people, but not as disproportionately as a lot of minorities are. The reason for this is rooted in racist housing policies throughout history where it was explicit, open and accepted at the time.

Identity politics are garbage, in only that no one gives a flying crap about your life in this way. LGBTQ+IIA+WHATEVER is <2% of the population, and while I feel no laws should be made against them certainly they are so small that nothing should be made for them. What's the point of constantly talking about such a set of issues that affect such an insignificant number of people? Oh yea... I got it...

ITS ALL A DISTRACTION - they rather talk about these worthless personal issues than anything that results in an improvement in our living.

You say that and yet a lack of laws "for" a group, ie protections leads directly to laws against them. Where I live it's totally legal to discriminate against me in medical care, housing and employment.

And it's happened to me.

But my point is, about laws, a few months ago as you might remember my area tried to update our non-discrimination policy to extend to gender among some other things (like veteran status). You know what almost every arguement was in city hall? That transgender people were "demonic" and "deviants" and a bunch of bull**** like that.

Talking about these things just means you ignore the bread and butter like jobs, money, economics, quality of living, etc...

I can't have a job when people refuse to hire me because I'm trans, or have a quality of life when I'm denied proper medical treatment. I know for a fact that people in my town have been fired or evicted for being gay, trans, ect. So those laws were specifically designed to protect exactly what you're describing.

These issues are not separate like you seem to think. Those "laws for" are no different than laws outlawing racial segregation. Should we get rid of those too because they are "for" someone?

 

[Stevicus]

Nationalism is simply pride in one's nation. people. and a self-centrist outlook on economy and politics. every nation has a sense of nationalism just in different levels.
also, it was obviously not in their nature. they failed.

the Truth is we are animals bound to the same law of nature as everything else. the First law of nature is the weak are ruled by the strong. you may dislike it. I may dislike it. but forcing pure equal outcome is communistic and the communists killed more than the Nazi's. and their own people indiscriminately.

Yes, although the Communists ultimately defeated the Nazis, so does that mean that Communists are stronger (in line with the laws of nature)?

At least in terms of natural law, the Communists took power through very "natural" means, even as brutal as it was. It was still "natural."

It really doesn't matter whether you or I "dislike it." I see the overall laws of nature as a matter of instinct and cause-and-effect. I think humans have found it necessary and desirable in recent times to restrain and moderate some of our more base, "natural" impulses, and in the past few centuries, we've slowly and incrementally worked towards more enlightened and progressive ideas, even if they seem to go against the old order.

In nature, dominance of the strong over the weak is a relatively simple matter - usually related to size, speed, sharper teeth or claws, or other natural abilities inherent in a given predatory species. With humans, it's more a matter of mental ability and emotional strength, not necessarily physical strength.

When it comes to crowd control and managing the masses, it's probably more analogous to cow hands herding cattle. The cow hands may have the upper hand, but the cattle ain't exactly "weak" either. Every so often, the cattle get restless - from the days of Spartacus and the Roman Empire through countless peasant uprisings and various tribal conflicts that kept occurring through the ages. After the Industrial Revolution, managing the masses within the perceived framework of the "natural order" has turned into a full-time job for most governments.

As I see it, humans have the ability to rise above their own nature, but I could be wrong about that. If humans have reached their limits and can't progress any further, then "nature" will take its course. It's part of human nature to be violent. We're natural born killers. As you mentioned above - Nazis, Communists - does it really matter who had the higher body count? We humans are natural born killers. That's where "natural law" will take us. That's who we are, when reduced to our rawest state.

 

[Father]

Based on how you described the video I think you missed the entire point of it. Also race and class are pretty linked since historically black families were forced into bad neighborhoods purely on a racial basis. How you don't know this I would chalk up to our poor education system that likes to white wash the past.

THE PAST
Different from the Present. this video is not speaking of the past. but now where it does not happen. how do I know? black president. black officials of power wealth and every class. if there was oppression such would not be possible. furthermore a number of handouts given based on race that whites of an even lower class cannot access states the obvious.

also, "whitewash" granted history get rewritten but the Left does that to a large extent. I can't even search History of slavery. without it all being black centrist.

 

[Father]

You say that and yet a lack of laws "for" a group, ie protections leads directly to laws against them. Where I live it's totally legal to discriminate against me in medical care, housing and employment.

And it's happened to me.

My mother could not even get Medicare due to not "qualifying" when black women could walk in with Iphone's drive lexisus and apply just fine,
discrimination happens for everyone. however to state all issues are due to it is a lie. in some instance's normally on smaller levels of government it can happen. however, most the time its due to other factors. in the instance of this video ECONOMIC

 

[Father]

Yes, although the Communists ultimately defeated the Nazis, so does that mean that Communists are stronger (in line with the laws of nature)?

Yes, The communist's ideas are obviously stronger. they use to span half the globe. of course, they fell apart under their own weight while capitalism always survives.
Hints why most the world is Capitalist again.

 

[Father]

It really doesn't matter whether you or I "dislike it." I see the overall laws of nature as a matter of instinct and cause-and-effect. I think humans have found it necessary and desirable in recent times to restrain and moderate some of our more base, "natural" impulses, and in the past few centuries, we've slowly and incrementally worked towards more enlightened and progressive ideas, even if they seem to go against the old order.

In nature, dominance of the strong over the weak is a relatively simple matter - usually related to size, speed, sharper teeth or claws, or other natural abilities inherent in a given predatory species. With humans, it's more a matter of mental ability and emotional strength, not necessarily physical strength.

When it comes to crowd control and managing the masses, it's probably more analogous to cow hands herding cattle. The cow hands may have the upper hand, but the cattle ain't exactly "weak" either. Every so often, the cattle get restless - from the days of Spartacus and the Roman Empire through countless peasant uprisings and various tribal conflicts that kept occurring through the ages. After the Industrial Revolution, managing the masses within the perceived framework of the "natural order" has turned into a full-time job for most governments.

As I see it, humans have the ability to rise above their own nature, but I could be wrong about that. If humans have reached their limits and can't progress any further, then "nature" will take its course. It's part of human nature to be violent. We're natural born killers. As you mentioned above - Nazis, Communists - does it really matter who had the higher body count? We humans are natural born killers. That's where "natural law" will take us. That's who we are, when reduced to our rawest state.

Yet unless we cease to be Human such natural law will always apply.
it's better if we learn how to use it for our own advantage than reject it and fall to it anyway.
the longest lasting empires. and largest empires like the Romans. or the British. understood it, and in turn prospered along with their people.

the natural order does take a different turn for us but it is still highly there

 

[Laika]

Communism guarantees you equality but like that of **** . Bolshevism, which is in reality an attack on the world of the spirit, pretends to be intellectual itself. Where circumstances demand, it comes as deadly predator, only disguised as a harmless critter. Underneath the false mask which it here and there assumes, there are always malicious forces of world destruction. And where it has had the opportunity of practicing its theories it has created “The Paradise of the Workers and Peasants”, in the shape of a fearful desert of starving and hungering people. According to accounts given by the Soviets themselves and including other reliable sources, the number of persons executed within the first 5 years of Soviet rule must be placed at about 1,860,000, in round numbers. Of these, 6,000 were teachers and professors, 8,800 were doctors of medicine, 54,000 were army officers, 260,000 soldiers, 105,000 police officials, 49,000 gendarmes, 12,800 civil servants, 355,000 persons of the upper classes, 192,000 workers, and 815,000 peasants.

The leftists are ****ing ******** of civilizations

And that relates to the American left how exactly?

ITS ALL A DISTRACTION - they rather talk about these worthless personal issues than anything that results in an improvement in our living. I have better uses of my life than to talk about your preferred pronouns, identity, sexual partners, or whatever. You want to waste your time on these insignificant issues feel free, they help no one not even the people who live in these ways.

Talking about these things just means you ignore the bread and butter like jobs, money, economics, quality of living, etc... That's why the Dems crater in the elections... And, they're still cratering - they just decide to double down on the stupidity instead of evaluating what is wrong.

If only more on the left understood this, it would be getting somewhere. The Democrats are using "identity politics" as a substitute for talking about wider economic change, probably because they don't want to upset their donors. On healthcare, they may be addressing bread and butter issues, but otherwise I agree with you on this. there should be more important priorities for "the left" than a person's preferred pronouns or indulging the media's outrage culture.

 

[Kapalika]

THE PAST
Different from the Present. this video is not speaking of the past. but now where it does not happen. how do I know? black president. black officials of power wealth and every class. if there was oppression such would not be possible. furthermore a number of handouts given based on race that whites of an even lower class cannot access states the obvious.

also, "whitewash" granted history get rewritten but the Left does that to a large extent. I can't even search History of slavery. without it all being black centrist.

It's not just in the past, or at least the effects are still very strongly felt. It was less than a life time ago that crap ended (at least officially).

No one is asking for "handouts". Just an equal shot when all else is equal.

My mother could not even get Medicare due to not "qualifying" when black women could walk in with Iphone's drive lexisus and apply just fine,

I don't believe this. No where in the requirements of medicare is race mentioned or considered and doing such as explicitly against federal regulation and if anyone believes they have been discriminated against they can file a complaint and get a hearing. For medicaid that has to be filed within 60 days but it might be a different time for medicare. If it's at all like medicaid it's based on income and assets. Just because you saw someone with a specific kind of car or phone doesn't mean they actually had money. For all you know they had older used phones and cars off the 2nd hand market for cheap.

Also anyone can apply for anything. Not everyone will get approved. So even if they did apply that literally means nothing.

discrimination happens for everyone. however to state all issues are due to it is a lie. in some instance's normally on smaller levels of government it can happen. however, most the time its due to other factors. in the instance of this video ECONOMIC

By the way you described the video, they were not saying that all issues are racial, and neither am I. However again economics and classism IS tied to racism. Look at how the Irish were treated for a large portion of American history, or how the video pointed out, African Americans. Yes, much of that housing and job discrimination is now illegal, but it still happens. Where I live you don't need to tell someone why they are fired for example, so the only way to prove it was discrimination is by showing a pattern of them disproportionately firing blacks but by then the damage has already been done to many people.

The fact is, just because something is illegal doesn't mean people are going to always follow it. It's not like housing suddenly became equal or a non race issue the day openly racist policies were abolished.

It's like you expect to smack someone a bunch, just stop at one point and expect them to be thankful you stopped. Not even an apology or do something to help with the bruises while they are still healing. No, it's actually worse than that, as a few other people were as well, but a few still are when the person enforcing the "no smacking" rule isn't looking. This isn't the most elegant metaphor but very few people are even offering ice for the bruises. We still haven't stopped everyone from smacking them around.

 

[Laika]

it seems like every issue that has an explainable or logical reason they try sewing into some racist patriarchy, mind you I still have not gotten my white privilege members card and am wondering who I can contact go get it.

They are available on ebay.

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[Kapalika]

Yet unless we cease to be Human such natural law will always apply.
it's better if we learn how to use it for our own advantage than reject it and fall to it anyway.
the longest lasting empires. and largest empires like the Romans. or the British. understood it, and in turn prospered along with their people.

the natural order does take a different turn for us but it is still highly there

I think it was Dawkins who pointed out that just because something is a tendency in nature doesn't discredit our innate compassion and cooperation based nature to help others.

Also something else Dawkins brought up at one point I recall, that view of "survival of the fittest" described isn't even a Darwinian one. It's actually "social darwinian" and isn't reflective of any proper understanding of Evolution.

The British only prospered their people by exploiting others through imperialism and colonialism. It was exploitation. Unless you are okay with slavery, religious suppression, and genocide I don't think you would approve of the British Empire's ways were you to see first hand what it was really like.

 

[proudpagan]

And that relates to the American left how exactly?

Ideology of commies is same no matter what the country is . Just like salafi wahabi ideology is followed by ISIL . You think if you kill baghdadi we had win ? Nope some new baghdadi will replace fam

 

[Kapalika]

Ideology of commies is same no matter what the country is .

You've clearly never read anything objectively sound about Communism. Essentially every iteration of Communism ever has notable idealogical differences. Even within just the realm of theory there are divisions.

I don't endorse or support communism, I just happen to know that about it.

 

[YmirGF]

If we are being honest so-called Identity politics is not exclusive to our furry friends on the Left. Those on the right are equally guilty but often do not see their thinking as being driven by identity issues.

You've clearly never read anything objectively sound about Communism. Essentially every iteration of Communism ever has notable idealogical differences. Even within just the realm of theory there are divisions.

I don't endorse or support communism, I just happen to know that about it.

Indeed. Those of us who have soldiered on through the dense prose of Communist intellectuals can certainly attest to that. (Edit: You actually have to be somewhat masochistic to read their windy tombs.)

 

[Kapalika]

furthermore being a Satanist when one of the tenets of Satanism is

"Beliefs should conform to our best scientific understanding of the world. We should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit our beliefs."

so you're a bit of a hypocrite

Their religion is listed as a spiritual Satanist, not The Satanic Temple from which you got that quote which is considered a specific branch of "modern Satanism" aka "atheistic satanism" which is about the opposite of "spiritual Satanism" aka "theistic satanism".

Also my last post (#35) points out how you kind of don't seem to understand "survival of the fittest". It's basically "best adapted" and as Dawkins has pointed out humans are adapted for cooperation and compassion more so than most other animals.

 

[Laika]

Ideology of commies is same no matter what the country is . Just like salafi wahabi ideology is followed by ISIL . You think if you kill baghdadi we had win ? Nope some new baghdadi will replace fam

There are 5,000 Communists in the United States through the CPUSA and they haven't run in a Presidential election since 1988. Their peak membership was about 60,000 back in 1919 when they were founded almost 100 years ago after a world war and during a wave of revolutions accross Europe and America. They are a broken political force and it would take decades of radicalisation for them to become significant again.

And I can only agree with @Kapalika that there are significant differences within the Communist movement. Whilst not enough differences to make it attractive, they are often rife with sectarian conflicts (especially Trotskyists who have a reputation for it) and difference between the Soviets and Maoist China led to the sino-soviet split broke up the world communist movement.

 

[Father]

I think it was Dawkins who pointed out that just because something is a tendency in nature doesn't discredit our innate compassion and cooperation based nature to help others.

Also something else Dawkins brought up at one point I recall, that view of "survival of the fittest" described isn't even a Darwinian one. It's actually "social darwinian" and isn't reflective of any proper understanding of Evolution.

The British only prospered their people by exploiting others through imperialism and colonialism. It was exploitation. Unless you are okay with slavery, religious suppression, and genocide I don't think you would approve of the British Empire's ways were you to see first hand what it was really like.

and yet survival of the fittest is reflective in nature. it is apart of evolution through a proper term for it would be an adaptation but the same rule still applies
we humans do have a loving and social side yes. that's part of our nature. but still part of survival of the fittest. it's why monarchy and hierarchy naturally form in society and we are not just communists.
its why we can openly oppress others and yet hold loyalty and love for our compatriots, both are not two sides of a coin but two different coins that can occur at the same time.

and while the phrase is just that a phrase and a simplified explanation of the entire process it's still the Truth.

 

[Father]

Their religion is listed as a spiritual Satanist, not The Satanic Temple from which you got that quote which is considered a specific branch of "modern Satanism" aka "atheistic satanism" which is about the opposite of "spiritual Satanism" aka "theistic satanism".

Also my last post (#35) points out how you kind of don't seem to understand "survival of the fittest". It's basically "best adapted" and as Dawkins has pointed out humans are adapted for cooperation and compassion more so than most other animals.

adaptation is progressed through trial and error and what adaptations survive the longest and get passed on the most.
adaptions that don't do well tend to get the animal killed. its why albinos are quite rare in animals as they tend to die off quickly in animals that require camouflage.
humans are quite cooperative but that does not mean groups of humans can not oppress or not cooperate with other groups. see ants and another grouping animals for more details

also for theistic satanism. Hell governmental system is based on the Fuedal system. Lucifer the emperor and kings and princes and knights etc. so using that as a basis is also flawed to argue against that of nature.

unless theistic satanism does not even go off all the demonic texts and such describing Hell and has some weird twist to it