It Has Started Already

[Wandering Monk]

A Trump appointed judge in the Eastern District had paused a program that allows illegal immigrants married to US citizens to 'parole in place' while their application to stay is processed, effectively letting them be deported, separating families.

The 17 Republican states participating in the lawsuit are being represented by America First Legal, an organization established by former Trump adviser Stephen Miller — the architect of Trump’s hard-line immigration policies.

In November 2019, the Southern Poverty Law Center acquired more than 900 emails Miller sent Breitbart News writer Katie McHugh between 2015 and 2016. The emails became the basis for an exposé that showed that Miller had enthusiastically pushed the views of white nationalist publications such as American Renaissance and VDARE, as well as the far-right conspiracy website InfoWars, and promoted The Camp of the Saints, a French novel circulating among neo-Nazis, shaping both White House policy and Breitbart's coverage of racial politics.[18][100][101] In response to the exposé, White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham called the SPLC an "utterly discredited, long-debunked far-left smear organization."[102] More than 80 Democratic members of Congress called for Miller's resignation in light of his emails.[103][104][105] On November 13, Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-New York) started a petition that had reached more than 20,000 signatures by November 16.[106] According to The Daily Beast, seven "senior Trump administration officials with knowledge of Miller's standing with the president and top staffers have all individually told The Daily Beast that the story did not endanger Miller's position, or change Trump's favorable view of him. Two of them literally laughed at the mere suggestion that the Hatewatch exposé could have toppled or hobbled the top Trump adviser."[107]​

Federal judge pauses program that grants protections for undocumented spouses • Washington State Standard

A Texas federal judge late Monday sided with 16-Republican led states to temporarily block the Biden administration program

washingtonstatestandard.com

 

[F1fan]

I have underestimated how quickly MAGA was going to get going on these plans. My mistake was that things wouldn't change until after Trump took office. Many are already reacting to the election. He won't take office for about 10 weeks.

 

[Twilight Hue]

A Trump appointed judge in the Eastern District had paused a program that allows illegal immigrants married to US citizens to 'parole in place' while their application to stay is processed, effectively letting them be deported, separating families.

The 17 Republican states participating in the lawsuit are being represented by America First Legal, an organization established by former Trump adviser Stephen Miller — the architect of Trump’s hard-line immigration policies.

In November 2019, the Southern Poverty Law Center acquired more than 900 emails Miller sent Breitbart News writer Katie McHugh between 2015 and 2016. The emails became the basis for an exposé that showed that Miller had enthusiastically pushed the views of white nationalist publications such as American Renaissance and VDARE, as well as the far-right conspiracy website InfoWars, and promoted The Camp of the Saints, a French novel circulating among neo-Nazis, shaping both White House policy and Breitbart's coverage of racial politics.[18][100][101] In response to the exposé, White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham called the SPLC an "utterly discredited, long-debunked far-left smear organization."[102] More than 80 Democratic members of Congress called for Miller's resignation in light of his emails.[103][104][105] On November 13, Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-New York) started a petition that had reached more than 20,000 signatures by November 16.[106] According to The Daily Beast, seven "senior Trump administration officials with knowledge of Miller's standing with the president and top staffers have all individually told The Daily Beast that the story did not endanger Miller's position, or change Trump's favorable view of him. Two of them literally laughed at the mere suggestion that the Hatewatch exposé could have toppled or hobbled the top Trump adviser."[107]​

Federal judge pauses program that grants protections for undocumented spouses • Washington State Standard

A Texas federal judge late Monday sided with 16-Republican led states to temporarily block the Biden administration program

washingtonstatestandard.com

So what? The key term is illegal.

Deport them until they learn to enter the right way.

 

[Shaul]

The court is following the law. All of the misrepresentation just shows that the open border advocates don't have a genuine legal argument.

 

[Wandering Monk]

Republican are hypocrites. They portray themselves as the party of the family yet have no qualms about tearing them apart by deporting undocumented immigrant spouses and parents of US citizens.

Hell, Trump has said he wants to end citizenship of children born in the US to undocumented immigrant parents despite what the 14th Amendment to the Constitution says.

 

[Estro Felino]

Republican are hypocrites. They portray themselves as the party of the family yet have no qualms about tearing them apart by deporting undocumented immigrant spouses and parents of US citizens.

Hell, Trump has said he wants to end citizenship of children born in the US to undocumented immigrant parents despite what the 14th Amendment to the Constitution says.

The dems have done anything to lose the elections.
They have taken any opportunity possible to make the voters hate them.

First by letting Gabbard, Kennedy leave. By not giving Sanders a chance.
By opening the doors to speculators, banksters and similar individuals.

I mean...if someone really cares about undocumented migrants and their plight, they should start with self-criticism.
Saying:;
We must change as party....

No....the dems will never do that.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Republican are hypocrites. They portray themselves as the party of the family yet have no qualms about tearing them apart by deporting undocumented immigrant spouses and parents of US citizens.

Hell, Trump has said he wants to end citizenship of children born in the US to undocumented immigrant parents despite what the 14th Amendment to the Constitution says.

That's to address the anchor baby issue that has been plaguing this country for a very long time.

Honestly I have mixed feelings about it , but understand something needs to be done to stop the abuse by illegals trying to subvert the system.

The 14th Amendment deals with legitimate citizens, not law breaking illegals first and foremost.

 

[fantome profane]

The 14th Amendment deals with legitimate citizens, not law breaking illegals first and foremost.

What do you mean by "legitimate citizens"? Do you mean people born in the country? Or are you going to redefine what a "legitimate citizen" is?

Are you just going sit back while others redefine what a "legitimate citizen" is?

 

[Twilight Hue]

What do you mean by "legitimate citizens"? Do you mean people born in the country? Or are you going to redefine what a "legitimate citizen" is?

Are you just going sit back while others redefine what a "legitimate citizen" is?

A legitimate citizen is one who is declared a citizen by this country and is authorized to be here and enjoy all the benefits that citizenry provides.

I did say I have mixed feelings on the anchor baby issue, but we know that it's being done on purpose by illegals, hence the term anchor baby. That's what needs to be changed and redefined so illegals cannot skew the system.

Not all countries have naturalization through birth on the soil of a country, its formally called Jus Soli. I think that's what Trump is taking a look at.

 

[fantome profane]

A legitimate citizen is one who is declared a citizen by this country and is authorized to be here and enjoy all the benefits that citizenry provides.

You are avoiding the question. Do you mean as declared by your constitution? Or do you want to change how the constitution defines a "legitimate citizen"?

 

[We Never Know]

A Trump appointed judge in the Eastern District had paused a program that allows illegal immigrants married to US citizens to 'parole in place' while their application to stay is processed, effectively letting them be deported, separating families.

The 17 Republican states participating in the lawsuit are being represented by America First Legal, an organization established by former Trump adviser Stephen Miller — the architect of Trump’s hard-line immigration policies.

In November 2019, the Southern Poverty Law Center acquired more than 900 emails Miller sent Breitbart News writer Katie McHugh between 2015 and 2016. The emails became the basis for an exposé that showed that Miller had enthusiastically pushed the views of white nationalist publications such as American Renaissance and VDARE, as well as the far-right conspiracy website InfoWars, and promoted The Camp of the Saints, a French novel circulating among neo-Nazis, shaping both White House policy and Breitbart's coverage of racial politics.[18][100][101] In response to the exposé, White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham called the SPLC an "utterly discredited, long-debunked far-left smear organization."[102] More than 80 Democratic members of Congress called for Miller's resignation in light of his emails.[103][104][105] On November 13, Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-New York) started a petition that had reached more than 20,000 signatures by November 16.[106] According to The Daily Beast, seven "senior Trump administration officials with knowledge of Miller's standing with the president and top staffers have all individually told The Daily Beast that the story did not endanger Miller's position, or change Trump's favorable view of him. Two of them literally laughed at the mere suggestion that the Hatewatch exposé could have toppled or hobbled the top Trump adviser."[107]​

Federal judge pauses program that grants protections for undocumented spouses • Washington State Standard

A Texas federal judge late Monday sided with 16-Republican led states to temporarily block the Biden administration program

washingtonstatestandard.com

That is from August. Are your trying to blame the election for this?

 

[Twilight Hue]

You are avoiding the question. Do you mean as declared by your constitution? Or do you want to change how the constitution defines a "legitimate citizen"?

I haven't avoided the question at all.

If it's details you want it's all here including the definition of who is regarded a citizen in the US.

Constitutional Topic: Citizenship – The U.S. Constitution Online – USConstitution.net - U.S. Constitution.net

Constitutional Topic: Citizenship The Constitutional Topics pages at the USConstitution.net site are presented to delve deeper into topics than can be provided on the Glossary Page or in the FAQ pages. This Topic Page concerns Citizenship. Citizenship is mentioned in Article 1, Section 2...

www.usconstitution.net

If Trump wants to constitutionally change things , then it has to be done through the government through a constitutional convention.

 

[fantome profane]

I haven't avoided the question at all.

If it's details you want it's all here......

Constitutional Topic: Citizenship – The U.S. Constitution Online – USConstitution.net - U.S. Constitution.net

Constitutional Topic: Citizenship The Constitutional Topics pages at the USConstitution.net site are presented to delve deeper into topics than can be provided on the Glossary Page or in the FAQ pages. This Topic Page concerns Citizenship. Citizenship is mentioned in Article 1, Section 2...

www.usconstitution.net

I am not asking you to post a link. I am not asking you for someone else's opinion. I am asking you what you think. Do you want to redefine that a legitimate citizen is?

 

[Twilight Hue]

I am not asking you to post a link. I am not asking you for someone else's opinion. I am asking you what you think. Do you want to redefine that a legitimate citizen is?

I don't play that game. I go by what the nation says a citizen is, not my opinion or whatnot, which is irrelevant anyways because I only go by what is put forth by the Constitution.

What I think is the link pretty much states what I follow as far as the definition of a citizen goes.

 

[fantome profane]

I only go by what is put forth by the Constitution.

Thank you. That is the answer to my question.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

The court is following the law.

No, it isn't. Where did you get the impression that it is?

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

The "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" is just the exception for diplomats and the like. If someone could be subject to a criminal conviction in the US, they're subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I don't play that game. I go by what the nation says a citizen is, not my opinion or whatnot, which is irrelevant anyways because I only go by what is put forth by the Constitution.

What I think is the link pretty much states what I follow as far as the definition of a citizen goes.

The Constitution says that everyone born in the US - with the narrow exception of people "not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States" (i.e. people with diplomatic immunity) - are citizens of the United States and the state where they live.

 

[Twilight Hue]

The Constitution says that everyone born in the US - with the narrow exception of people "not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States" (i.e. people with diplomatic immunity) - are citizens of the United States and the state where they live.

It also says the wording is vague and then goes into deeper detail. That's all in the link.

 

[Alien826]

The 14th Amendment deals with legitimate citizens, not law breaking illegals first and foremost.

Here's the first section of the 14th Amendment.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Note that it says "All persons born ... in the United States". All. No proviso concerning what status their parents have.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

It also says the wording is vague and then goes into deeper detail. That's all in the link.

The link in the Constitution?

No, it's not vague. Everyone born in the US is a citizen except people covered by diplomatic immunity... e.g. children of diplomats and foreign royalty born in the US.