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It Is Good For A Man Not To Have Sexual Relations With A Woman.”

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
No... it was your application that was wrong.

The quote says "ALL' have sin. Homosexuals, heterosexual, you and me. That is what he was saying. Only HE is sinless and has the right to throw the first stone and he didn't

PLEASE! take a course in Christian Theology.


Please see above :D

Nope, you screwed up by using a verse that had nothing to do with the topic we were discussing. Why could you not honestly own up to your error? I did not misinterpret that passage. The only logical explanation, and since you do not reason logically this was an error in my part, was that for some strange reason you, not me but you, thought that Jesus was saying that homosexuals were without sin. But I am a very patient person.

What Did Jesus say about the homosexuals?
 

Kelly of the Phoenix

Well-Known Member
Apparently Jesus got more out of it because he is having a "marriage supper of the Lamb".
Marriage equals husbands eating their wives? :p

t's found in John 8;
It's a story about men shaming and trying to murder a woman who wouldn't BE in that situation had THEY not slept with her. Jesus is condemning their hypocrisy, not her lifestyle choices.
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Remember that Judah was going to have Tamar killed being a hooker until it was found out HE was the one who knocked her up. Then, "whoopsies".

Especially that part about Jesus healing the Roman Centurion's special buddy.
And John being the Beloved Disciple who can rest his head on Jesus' lap during dinner in a book that frequently uses sexual euphemisms, like "uncovering one's feet" or something. Does anyone paint the Last Supper with Jesus cradling John's head on his lap?

What Did Jesus say about the homosexuals?
Matt 19:12 is the closest we'll probably get, and his conclusion to the non-gender conforming folk was to be cool about it.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Nope, you screwed up by using a verse that had nothing to do with the topic we were discussing. Why could you not honestly own up to your error? I did not misinterpret that passage. The only logical explanation, and since you do not reason logically this was an error in my part, was that for some strange reason you, not me but you, thought that Jesus was saying that homosexuals were without sin. But I am a very patient person.
You missed it again.... but that's alright, I'm accustomed to it.

What Did Jesus say about the homosexuals?
As an observant of The Law, what did he need to say other than,
Matthew 5:118 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

What did you want him to say?
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
You missed it again.... but that's alright, I'm accustomed to it.

Wrong again. I understand your error. Why lie about others? What good does that do?

As an observant of The Law, what did he need to say other than,
Matthew 5:118 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

What did you want him to say?

You are still dodging the question. Or telling us that you cannot understand your book of myths. Hmm, perhaps both.

It appears that an honest answer will not be given.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Wrong again. I understand your error. Why lie about others? What good does that do?



You are still dodging the question. Or telling us that you cannot understand your book of myths. Hmm, perhaps both.

It appears that an honest answer will not be given.
I can't help you. No matter what I say, you don't understand. But that's OK. God still believes in you!
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
I can't help you. No matter what I say, you don't understand. But that's OK. God still believes in you!
No, you can't help me because you will not honestly answer a very easy question to answer. That question demonstrated how you were wrong about Paul. You know that you were wrong about Paul. If you did not know that you would have answered honestly.

By the way, how can a make believe creature believe in anything?
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
No, you can't help me because you will not honestly answer a very easy question to answer. That question demonstrated how you were wrong about Paul. You know that you were wrong about Paul. If you did not know that you would have answered honestly.

By the way, how can a make believe creature believe in anything?
:hugehug:

And I did answer your question... you just have to think a bit more. :)
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Instead of faux hugs, why not try to amend your improper behavior.

Here, let me help you. Jesus said nothing about homosexuals. He did not seem to think that it mattered, and he associated with all sorts, prostitutes, thieves, even tax collectors. Surely it is not the sin that Paul seemed to think hat it was. Paul had a strange fixation on sex. He thought that the end of the world was coming soon and that sex was an evil that we had to put up with.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Instead of faux hugs, why not try to amend your improper behavior.

Here, let me help you. Jesus said nothing about homosexuals. He did not seem to think that it mattered, and he associated with all sorts, prostitutes, thieves, even tax collectors. Surely it is not the sin that Paul seemed to think hat it was. Paul had a strange fixation on sex. He thought that the end of the world was coming soon and that sex was an evil that we had to put up with.
Let me help you some...

And Jesus said nothing about LSD or bestiality... then again, he didn't have to.

It was all covered (as I said--but it seemed like you didn't see it) in The Law. He didn't have to address it.

He addressed what was mis-interpreted by the Talmudists.

What was addressed also is that everyone has sin and he came to redeem mankind (so the particulars of ones sin didn't matter--he story about "he that is without sin" which I also addressed but it seems like you didn't see that also.)

hope that helps... if not, another hug will be due.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Let me help you some...

And Jesus said nothing about LSD or bestiality... then again, he didn't have to.

It was all covered (as I said--but it seemed like you didn't see it) in The Law. He didn't have to address it.

He addressed what was mis-interpreted by the Talmudists.

What was addressed also is that everyone has sin and he came to redeem mankind (so the particulars of ones sin didn't matter--he story about "he that is without sin" which I also addressed but it seems like you didn't see that also.)

hope that helps... if not, another hug will be due.
Sorry, but this does not fly and tells us that you have fully read or understood the Bible. Jesus contradicted himself more than once when it came to the "law". He regularly broke these so called laws when convenient, but at the same time he said that they still applied to all. Meanwhile your use of the "he is without sin" as a dishonest dodge implied that at best you thought that homosexuals were without sin.

A little bit of honesty on your part will avoid you appearing so confused in the future.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Sorry, but this does not fly and tells us that you have fully read or understood the Bible. Jesus contradicted himself more than once when it came to the "law". He regularly broke these so called laws when convenient, but at the same time he said that they still applied to all. Meanwhile your use of the "he is without sin" as a dishonest dodge implied that at best you thought that homosexuals were without sin.

A little bit of honesty on your part will avoid you appearing so confused in the future.
You earned this...

:hugehug:
since you say a lot of things and never give any support.
 
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Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
You earned this...

:hugehug:
since you say a lot of things and never give any support.
What claims of mine do you think need support? I will gladly support any of my claims. You should learn how to do the same.

I thought that you claimed to have studied the Bible, your repeated failures argues against that.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
What claims of mine do you think need support? I will gladly support any of my claims. You should learn how to do the same.

I thought that you claimed to have studied the Bible, your repeated failures argues against that.
you did it again :D

:hugehug:
 

Kelly of the Phoenix

Well-Known Member
What was addressed also is that everyone has sin and he came to redeem mankind
No, the inclusion of gentiles came later and conveniently only when it became clear Jews were not interested all that much. If you went back in time today, he would walk past you. He would call me a dog. He prayed NOT to die and ran off frequently to AVOID death.

He bragged about martyrdom, but clearly when the knives were out, he stopped being interested in it.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
No, the inclusion of gentiles came later and conveniently only when it became clear Jews were not interested all that much. If you went back in time today, he would walk past you. He would call me a dog.

He bragged about martyrdom, but clearly when the knives were out, he stopped being interested in it.
No... not really, Cornelius came in at the beginning.
He prayed NOT to die and ran off frequently to AVOID death

IMV, That is a big stretch even in the imagination to apply it as you did
 
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