It is impossible to step out of the real world

[Ostronomos]

[[This statement is a statement]is false] is false.

CTMU Reality is analytically self-contained. It mirrors reality as a
theory. It describes perception as a model. Identity is needed to
govern actions. Not merely the life identity existing only in
transient and destructible memory, but the real world (within the real
universe) including it's participants are governed (in actions and
perceptions) by identity. The ego is an illusion, we know that much.
Thus it is only by knowing real from unreal can it be possible to
achieve the pure awareness of reality and oneself.

The common denominator of evolution is the increasing intelligence of
life forms globally and locally so.

See: The Evolution of Mind

And for those of you with questions see: CTMU Introduction

-Nick Hosein.

 

[Misunderstood]

No. However would need to know what your definition of the real world is.

The reason I say No, is that I do feel there is more to reality than what we know as real now and that we will add to reality as time goes on. But the moment we move into something we now consider unreal, it becomes real, so you never left reality.

Edit:
Sorry read this wrong, so my answer is wrong 'NO' should be Yes, it would be impossible to step out of the real world.

 

[Aupmanyav]

The common denominator of evolution is the increasing intelligence of life forms globally and locally so.

A Hindu will word the topic differently - "Is is impossible to step our of the unreal world, the world of illusion, of maya?"
The answer is 'No'. One can get out of the unreal world and visualize the real world where nothing other than 'physical energy' exists.
One needs knowledge and an analytical mind.
Evolution is adjusting to the environment. Increase in intelligence cannot overcome all changes in environment.

 

[SalixIncendium]

A Hindu will word the topic differently - "Is is impossible to step our of the unreal world, the world of illusion, of maya?"
The answer is 'No'. One can get out of the unreal world and visualize the real world where nothing other than 'physical energy' exists.
One needs knowledge and an analytical mind.
Evolution is adjusting to the environment. Increase in intelligence cannot overcome all changes in environment.

Nothing to visualize. I am the "real." The "unreal" world exists within me.

 

[Hermit Philosopher]

It is possible to tap into a purely abstract [perspective of] reality, yes. The mind has this ability, but it is not the best perspective for our physical survival. It is bad for navigating through daily life and it also makes interaction with others difficult.

In addition, once taken, it is hard to go back to our regular perception of things. Successfully shifting between outlooks takes much effort and practice and, if it is not achieved, the psychological impacts are significant. It’s not a game and I would not encourage anyone to play around with it.

Humbly,
Hermit

 

[exchemist]

A Hindu will word the topic differently - "Is is impossible to step our of the unreal world, the world of illusion, of maya?"
The answer is 'No'. One can get out of the unreal world and visualize the real world where nothing other than 'physical energy' exists.
One needs knowledge and an analytical mind.
Evolution is adjusting to the environment. Increase in intelligence cannot overcome all changes in environment.

I have trouble understanding what you mean by nothing other than physical energy existing. From a scientific perspective that can't make sense, because energy is just an attribute of a physical system: no system, no energy.

So I must presume you intend the term "physical energy" in some other, non-scientific sense.

 

[exchemist]

It is possible to tap into a purely abstract [perspective of] reality, yes. The mind has this ability, but it is not the best perspective for our physical survival. It is bad for navigating through daily life and it also makes interaction with others difficult.

In addition, once taken, it is hard to go back to our regular perception of things. Successfully shifting between outlooks takes much effort and practice and, if it is not achieved, the psychological impacts are significant. It’s not a game and I would not encourage anyone to play around with it.

Humbly,
Hermit

I'm not sure this is as risky as you make it sound. When one studies physical science, one frequently deals with abstractions of reality that are expressed in mathematics. These abstractions are sufficiently distinct from everyday perception that converting from one state of mind to the other is not really an issue. Perhaps you have in mind something rather different, though.

 

[Hermit Philosopher]

I'm not sure this is as risky as you make it sound. When one studies physical science, one frequently deals with abstractions of reality that are expressed in mathematics. These abstractions are sufficiently distinct from everyday perception that converting from one state of mind to the other is not really an issue. Perhaps you have in mind something rather different, though.

No, I think physicists, mathematicians, etc. most likely do have easier access to a purely abstract perspective.

Albeit, they don’t all solely live in it like say, someone with autism might, but still; I’d agree that it may be easier for you than for some.

Humbly,
Hermit

 

[Aupmanyav]

Nothing to visualize. I am the "real." The "unreal" world exists within me.

All is real, what may not be correct is our perception of it.

It is possible to tap into a purely abstract [perspective of] reality, yes. The mind has this ability, but it is not the best perspective for our physical survival. It is bad for navigating through daily life and it also makes interaction with others difficult.

Yeah, what is real can only be visualized. In the pragmatic world, we are ruled by unreality, maya.

 

[SalixIncendium]

All is real, what may not be correct is our perception of it.

Everything in dream reality is real to the dreamer. Once the dreamer awakens, is everything in the dream reality still real?

 

[Aupmanyav]

I have trouble understanding what you mean by nothing other than physical energy existing. From a scientific perspective that can't make sense, because energy is just an attribute of a physical system: no system, no energy.

So I must presume you intend the term "physical energy" in some other, non-scientific sense.

I don't use non-scientific terms. You can replace what I mentioned (physical energy) with space/energy. Does that sound better?

 

[Aupmanyav]

Everything in dream reality is real to the dreamer. Once the dreamer awakens, is everything in the dream reality still real?

We are not in a dream. We are in a haze. The reality is not clearly visible. What is immediately perceived is the dust.

 

[SalixIncendium]

We are not in a dream. We are in a haze. The reality is not clearly visible. What is immediately perceived is the dust.

Not exactly. "We" are in ignorance, and what is real is obscured by that ignorance. Once one has realized one's true nature, one is liberated from that ignorance.

 

[Aupmanyav]

That too is correct. I meant that only.

 

[F1fan]

These kinds of topics strike me as humans who have some level of dissatisfaction with life and are trying to find a way out, but not losing life in the process. It's the "want your cake and eat it too" crowd, which suggests a type of greed for more and an insecurity with what is. So they are also the "is this all there is" crowd who have picked up on lofty spiritual ideals from others and want that illusion to be real. I suggest learn to live with the human condition and get on with living the short life we each have.

How do you step out of the real world? By stepping into illusions (which are still part of the real world, but uses denial to reject that fact).

 

[SalixIncendium]

How do you step out of the real world? By stepping into illusions (which are still part of the real world, but uses denial to reject that fact).

Or stepping out of them.

Do you know for certain the "real world" isn't an illusion?

 

[Hermit Philosopher]

Yeah, what is real can only be visualized.

I don’t think I understand what you mean.
If this were true, where would that leave those who are born physically blind?

Humbly,
Hermit

 

[Hermit Philosopher]

These kinds of topics strike me as humans who have some level of dissatisfaction with life and are trying to find a way out, but not losing life in the process. It's the "want your cake and eat it too" crowd, which suggests a type of greed for more and an insecurity with what is. So they are also the "is this all there is" crowd who have picked up on lofty spiritual ideals from others and want that illusion to be real. I suggest learn to live with the human condition and get on with living the short life we each have.

How do you step out of the real world? By stepping into illusions (which are still part of the real world, but uses denial to reject that fact).

I think some may find that a little narrow-minded.

If one considers it a waste of time, one is free not to partake, but there is no harm in thinking outside our everyday box and being inquisitive about other things - indeed; to some, it is quite enriching.


Humbly,
Hermit

 

[exchemist]

I don't use non-scientific terms. You can replace what I mentioned (physical energy) with space/energy. Does that sound better?

Not really. The point is energy is not "stuff". It's just a property of a system. Nothing is "made of" energy.

 

[F1fan]

I think some may find that a little narrow-minded.

If one considers it a waste of time, one is free not to partake, but there is no harm in thinking outside our everyday box and being inquisitive about other things - indeed; to some, it is quite enriching.


Humbly,
Hermit

It’s not as if I haven’t put my time in looking for “the truth” only to find no final answer is what’s discoverable. I don’t dismiss humans searching for themselves. I have a problem with improbable destinations and dubious methods.