paarsurrey
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Doesn't one think it is not natural, these are all artificial methods? Right, please?
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It is very natural to believe
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paarsurrey
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Sorry, I didn't take the word "prove" as it is used as terminology or specific sense in sciences.
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QuestioningMind
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Not true. An infant will suck milk from any source available. Surely you've heard of wet nurses. These are women who regularly breast feed infants that are not their own.
The baby doesn't know. It just has a suckling response, like other animals. Perfectly normal. Even in the womb it will practice with it's own fingers. You should try feeding young calves or foals. Their suckling response will almost break your arm off if they get to your fingers. In fact, many are so 'dumb' that they have to be guided to the right object.
QuestioningMind
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Actually a newborn infant isn't capable of 'believing' that its parents will care for it. It isn't capable of the cognitive thought required to have a belief. Even if that were true, the reality is that there are plenty of parents who don't look after their children's needs or protect them. And parents often teach their children very distorted and blatantly false beliefs.
Not really sure what the point of your OP is.
A Vestigial Mote
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What you have written doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
Are you saying it would require science for God to prove Himself to be consistent?
@paarsurrey , I am still not sure of what you mean to say, but could it have to do with a claim that a human beings "natural state" is that of expecting a higher power to promise him protection and guidance in exchange to "proper" worship and respect for its presumed authority?
And if a finger is offered instead the babe will suck on that. It will also suckle from anyone who will provide milk, look up "wet nurse"
How many babies have you raised?
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Orbit
I'm a planet
No, the infant will NOT reject a nipple.
No, babies are born in automatic mode, following a broad range of instincts many of which are shared with other hominids, mammals, animals.
These instincts include regular muscular movements of the torso, arms and hands, legs and feet, and the turning of the head and even from the start attempts to point the eyes at various stimuli. Being a mammal the newborn knows how to suck and swallow, knows a range of cries and other sounds, very soon knows to seek eye contact, to imitate movements and expressions, to turn the gaze to where the carer is pointing or looking, to respond to sounds and voices and particular voices: and so on.
No belief is required for these behaviors, just as no belief is required for the functioning of the heart or the gut or the endocrine system.
When an infant is born it very naturally sucks milk from the breast of its mother, refuses normally to suck it from any other woman.[/quote] That's not right. Babies can have wetnurses, or be bottle-fed, from go.
The baby will respond to a 'carer', not necessarily a 'mother' or 'parent'. It doesn't believe anything at this stage.
whirlingmerc
Well-Known Member
John Calvin said people are naturally idol factories... so... maybe it depends on what you mean by believe
Now... Paul said you have to exert effort to deny God.. so natural in a sense
Wet nurses would suggest otherwise.
osgart
Nothing my eye, Something for sure
While there are many unfounded, unworthy beliefs. There still are beliefs that matter, and hold true. Believing in yourself for example. That you can do what matters. Before you know something, you have to believe there is a way. And when you know something in full, you have to believe you can carry it out. Belief that is true comes with only knowledge.
Of course there is the way where know or do not know, do or do not do. Knowing is far better than believing. Knowing you can do something is far better than believing you can do something.
So its better to know, than to believe. Believe you may fail. Knowing is when you will do and succeed.
They each have their proper place, knowing, and believing.
Just starting out you have to believe what holds true.
I would test a belief, every time. Trial and error is a part of growing. I would NOT want to believe something is true and not test it.
Of course there is the way where know or do not know, do or do not do. Knowing is far better than believing. Knowing you can do something is far better than believing you can do something.
So its better to know, than to believe. Believe you may fail. Knowing is when you will do and succeed.
They each have their proper place, knowing, and believing.
Just starting out you have to believe what holds true.
I would test a belief, every time. Trial and error is a part of growing. I would NOT want to believe something is true and not test it.
That happens consistently, because only the mother nurses the baby. If a baby is truly hungry, he'll take nourishment wherever he can get it.
Baby naturally bond with whoever cares for them. That's instinctive. Believing in religion is not, that's taught. They both happen consistently, but that's all the correlation there is.
Tom
Babies are also instinctively grabby and possessive. Unless they learn the value of sharing and respecting other people's stuff, they will naturally becomes miserly thieves.
"Natural" behavior is commonly very immoral.
Tom
You agree with the OP that it is natural to believe.