It seems to me that many of the atheists on here are just here because they hate Christianity.

[columbus]

Gee, Tom, that's tobad. Shall I cry you a river of tears?

I have certain rights in this country just like you do. So does everybody else, Tom.

If a person wishes to spend millions of dollars getting laws passed or insist that churches have tax breaks obtained legally or people wish to explain something with a gospel verse then that is their right.

You also have rights, Tom. Maybe you should get off your rear end and off of your high horse and get to work trying to legally change things in this country like Christians do. You think?

Tom, I served this country by putting my life on the line for 7 years so that you and all of the other people in this country can have those rights. I have faced this country's enemies eye to eye and I was willing to shed my blood and die if need be so that you can have the rights guaranteed you under your Constitution. So kindly don't preach to me about my rights.

Kindly do not try to preach to me about what I can or cannot or should or should not do when the Constitution of this greatest country in the world guarantees me those rights.

You can kindly take your opinions which contradict first amendment rights and stick them straight up where the sun don't shine.

Capiche? Or do I need to spell it out for you more clearly than that, sir?

You're really cute when you're mad
Tom

 

[Reggie Miller]

I'm only just becoming familiar with your online persona here, but it's really looking like quite an extreme intellectual coward (refusing to honestly even face ideas you don't like). In this case it's being manifest as getting all butt-hurt over negative opinions and inconvenient arguments against what you like to believe, and pretending that the criticism is all just whining about you and yours exercising your constitutional freedoms as if the criticism isn't precisely that, only non-invasive, defensive if anything, contrary to what you're defending.

You kind of have to be projecting a lot here--clearly the one who's guilty of what you're accusing others of. It's the old pot calling the kettle black schtick, only it's a soot-covered iron pot calling a clean stainless steel kettle black. Intellectual cowardice is also just deeply repulsive to critical thinkers. The question is though, why you don't get the attention you actually deserve, but rather you're lavished with it. That's the disease of cognition that gives the Alt-Right and other intellectual cowards such a platform for reframing and faux validating their cowardice and enabling them to impose it upon everyone else rather than actually acting in accord with their comically distorted self-image.

Well, that was a boring read.

 

[Reggie Miller]

You're really cute when you're mad
Tom

I trust my point was well made and got through loud and clear. Good.

 

[Reggie Miller]

Who the heck is trying to restrict your freedom of religion? If you are going to come to a multi-faith site and discuss things, you might need to listen as well as go off half-cocked.

Yeah. The truth stings, doesn't it?

 

[McBell]

You're asking the wrong person for that. All I know is my version compared to like the Jehovah's Witness one are different. I'll go with mine in that case because of the Trinity and Jesus of Nazareth. I think one atheist usurped it to review it as a parody and is selling it. He'll probably get the spiritual blasphemy charge which gets one the lowest level as punishment. But again, I'm not qualified to speak for the versions except the ones I know or familiar with.

I notice your reluctance to flat out state which of the many different versions of the Bible is Gods Word.
It is as though you are not sure.

Interesting to say the least.

 

[columbus]

I trust my point was well made and got through loud and clear. Good.

Oh yes.
And while you are imagining that I hate Christianity, I am imagining you in a government issue jock strap, military muscle rippling as you type furiously.
Part of the magic of the internet is how much it leaves to the imagination.
Tom

 

[james bond]

Atheist scientists usurped Christian scientific method? You're kidding, right? No...perhaps you're not. *shrugs*

Explain to me, perhaps, what supernatural means to you, and how this concept can be used in science? Speaking for myself, I'm a methodological naturalist, which is possibly an unusual label for an atheist. It could/should make some sense to a Christian though. What are your thoughts?

Atheist scientists usurped Christian scientific method? You're kidding, right? No...perhaps you're not. *shrugs*

Explain to me, perhaps, what supernatural means to you, and how this concept can be used in science? Speaking for myself, I'm a methodological naturalist, which is possibly an unusual label for an atheist. It could/should make some sense to a Christian though. What are your thoughts?

I have more to say about the first comment than the second. My answer to the second may not be what you're looking for.

I assume you know who the father of the scientific method is. I would agree with him that that was what the Christian scientists at the time were ignoring. As for my statement, you took it out of context. I was referring to Charles Lyell who wrote Principles of Geology. I would say he's the first one to publicly criticize catastrophism or that the geological changes to the Earth happened rapidly. What he found, he proposed new theories of how the Earth was formed slowly and could back it up with examples of what he found in his travels. You have to understand this brought about a century of change, so the creationists at the time were feeling a lot of pressure.

"Uniform Processes of Change
Lyell's version of geology came to be known as uniformitarianism, because of his fierce insistence that the processes that alter the Earth are uniform through time. Like Hutton, Lyell viewed the history of Earth as being vast and directionless. And the history of life was no different.

Lyell crafted a powerful lens for viewing the history of the Earth. On Darwin's voyage aboard the Beagle, for example, he was able to decipher the history of the Canary Islands (right) by applying Lyell's ideas to the volcanic rock he encountered there. Today satellite measurements reveal that mountains may rise an inch a year, while radioactive clocks help show how they've been rising that way for millions of years. But Lyell could never have grasped the mechanism — plate tectonics — that makes this kind of geological change happen.

Yet geologists today also know that some of the factors that changed the Earth in the past cannot be seen at work today. For example, the early Earth was pummeled by gigantic hunks of solar debris, some as big as Mars. For the first one or two billion years of Earth's history, plate tectonics didn't even exist as we know it today.

Lyell had an equally profound effect on our understanding of life's history. He influenced Darwin so deeply that Darwin envisioned evolution as a sort of biological uniformitarianism. Evolution took place from one generation to the next before our very eyes, he argued, but it worked too slowly for us to perceive."

Uniformitarianism: Charles Lyell

What do plate tectonics signify though? Catastrophism.

As for supernatural, it simply is creationism. I think the creation scientists themselves can explain better than I here what the problems are.

"If creation is scientific, then why don’t you publish in peer-reviewed secular journals?"

Creationism, Science and Peer Review - creation.com

If that isn't a sufficient answer, then what type of answers were you looking for in regards to creationism?

 

[james bond]

I notice your reluctance to flat out state which of the many different versions of the Bible is Gods Word.
It is as though you are not sure.

Interesting to say the least.

Before you come out with another complaint about my answers... I assume you're not asking in terms of being a student of the Bible. My answer would be the same. However, if you were a student of the Bible, then you would understand and accept my answer. You can read the main different versions and see what the differences are by comparing. There are other sites that list it by chapter and verse. Why don't you try the New Revised Standard Version and see if you get anything out of it?

Bible Gateway passage: Genesis 1 - New Revised Standard Version

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Yeah. The truth stings, doesn't it?

Truth? What truth? Do you even bother trying to be coherent and consistent, or is it just too much effort for you.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

We preach it. If you don't want to hear it, just reach over and change the station like you do on your radio.

And if they're picketing in front of the hospital with pictures of dismembered fetuses, I should just find another way to get to work, right?

Do you have some way to switch off taxpayer subsidies of Christianity, too?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Make me change websites. Make me shut up. Otherwise I will do neither. Good day to you.

I thought Christianity was supposed to be against hypocrisy, no?

 

[Reggie Miller]

Oh yes.
And while you are imagining that I hate Christianity, I am imagining you in a government issue jock strap, military muscle rippling as you type furiously.
Part of the magic of the internet is how much it leaves to the imagination.
Tom

"I got pwned and now I'm angry about it."

-- Tom

 

[Reggie Miller]

9-10ths_Penguin, you going to keep on crying or are you going to do something about it?

The Constitution stands. You aren't going to be able to take it down. Good luck with that.

 

[Reggie Miller]

This is your thread dude.
If you mean Christianity in general, you can't be serious. They're all over the place here. There are advertising spots on the rock radio stations for churches.
Tom

So what are you going to do about it, Tom? Crying about it to me isn't going to help. I'm not a Congressman.

 

[Reggie Miller]

Truth? What truth? Do you even bother trying to be coherent and consistent, or is it just too much effort for you.

Funny, but not really. Pilate also asked Jesus, What is truth? when he had truth staring him right in the face.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

9-10ths_Penguin, you going to keep on crying or are you going to do something about it?

What makes you think I'm not doing anything about it?

The Constitution stands. You aren't going to be able to take it down. Good luck with that.

I'm not looking to take down the American Constitution; in fact, I'm counting on it being upheld in the face of religious violations. For instance, I gave the FFRF a heads up about one church-state violation a few months ago.

Here at home in Canada, though, we'll need a constitutional amendment to get rid of the worst abuses. On that, I support the Canadian Secular Alliance and the Charter for Public Education.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

So what are you going to do about it, Tom? Crying about it to me isn't going to help. I'm not a Congressman.

Again with the hypocrisy: complaining about someone else "crying" in a thread that's all about you crying about what other people are doing.

 

[Reggie Miller]

What makes you think I'm not doing anything about it?


I'm not looking to take down the American Constitution; in fact, I'm counting on it being upheld in the face of religious violations. For instance, I gave the FFRF a heads up about one church-state violation a few months ago.

Here at home in Canada, though, we'll need a constitutional amendment to get rid of the worst abuses. On that, I support the Canadian Secular Alliance and the Charter for Public Education.

Well, good luck to you.

 

[Reggie Miller]

Again with the hypocrisy: complaining about someone else "crying" in a thread that's all about you crying about what other people are doing.

Reread. I'm not crying, I'm justifying my actions. I'm not talking about something the elected government needs to do.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Reread. I'm not crying, I'm justifying my actions. I'm not talking about something the elected government needs to do.

Crying, complaining, whining... call it whatever you want. My interpretation of your actions is as charitable as your interpretation of others in this thread.