ninerbuff
godless wonder
So how is that done without amassing people of like thinking together, showing adornment and discussing god? Or is it just bestowed and that's it?
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It's been more than 2000 years
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ninerbuff
godless wonder
It could be millions of years later. We humans haven't been here that long. Maybe dinosaurs were god's first choice and the death of them was their rapture? Stories can be made to fit almost any situation.
AxisMundi
E Pluribus Unum!!!
I think we (the Christians) are trying to get across is that it was more than 2,000 years (or nearly 2,000 years, depending on how long we've been following Jesus)when we started believing, so why would that suddenly change our minds a few years later?
You seem like a really great person Ms. ES, and I don't want to insult you, so please don't take the following as such.
You are attempting what is called an Argumentum ad antiquitatem fallacy, arguing that because something is old it is true. If that were the case, there are well over a thousand religions and beliefs systems as old as 70,000 years.
Secondly, you forget that the world was a very superstitious place until quite recently in our racial history. It would be prudent to note that the Abrahamics, indeed all religions, are faltering in the more advanced western cultures while holding their own, for the moment, by seeping into un-educated third world areas.
The latter, of course, is a very finite source, and the reason I get a good giggle whenever I hear of some evangelical organization's effort to educate such people. It is simply a self-obliterating effort.
And I must give kudos where they are due. Paul, and whoever helped him, created an almost perfect theopolitical manifesto, with enough built in safe-guards, fear inducements, etc. to keep the religion going for two thousand years. However, said scriptures simply don't stand up well to modern scientific scrutiny.
Friend , if you want to know about God you have to get into scripture.
ninerbuff
godless wonder
I'd rather hear from "experts" rather than try to figure it out from scriptures that sound kooky.
Midnight Pete
Well-Known Member
The Good Book saus that Jesus will come again, and certain prophecies have been fulfilled (false messiahs, great apostasy, etc.) but personally I am not holding my breath. Like a thief in the night, and all that.
Midnight Pete
Well-Known Member
I'd rather hear from "experts" rather than try to figure it out from scriptures that sound kooky.
Okay, who are these "experts" you'd like to hear from? Are they scientists?
Since I get my information from scripture my explanations would be equally 'kooky'.I'd rather hear from "experts" rather than try to figure it out from scriptures that sound kooky.
Or fiddling with the wording.
No it wasn't. Aristotle proved it was round.
I think we are misunderstanding each other. I am not saying that I believe because the belief was around 2,000 years ago; but that I believe it. I am trying to say is that the belief is 2,000 years old; but my personal belief in it didn't start 2,000 years ago. The following of Jesus by individuals started with His mother and with Peter and the 12 Apostles and whoever is 2,000 years old; but I never heard the message until I was about 5 or so and I didn't believe any of it until I was 17 (nearly 18)-which is considerably less that 2,000 years.
I hope I cleared that up. (Don't worry, I confuse myself at times, too)
Scott C.
Just one guy
After nearly 2,000 years, on Nov 4, 1830, the Lord Jesus Christ spoke to a prophet to remind the world that he has not forgotten his promise to return...relatively speaking, his return is imminent...
The Lord said in 1830:
4 And blessed are you because you have believed;
5 And more blessed are you because you are called of me to preach my gospel—
6 To lift up your voice as with the sound of a trump, both long and loud, and cry repentance unto a crooked and perverse generation, preparing the way of the Lord for his second coming.
7 For behold, verily, verily, I say unto you, the time is soon at hand that I shall come in a cloud with power and great glory.
8 And it shall be a great day at the time of my coming, for all nations shall tremble.
9 But before that great day shall come, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon be turned into blood; and the stars shall refuse their shining, and some shall fall, and great destructions await the wicked.
10 Wherefore, lift up your voice and spare not, for the Lord God hath spoken; therefore prophesy, and it shall be given by the power of the Holy Ghost.
11 And if you are faithful, behold, I am with you until I come—
12 And verily, verily, I say unto you, I come quickly. I am your Lord and your Redeemer. Even so. Amen.
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ninerbuff
godless wonder
So in no way you think that from when jesus existed, that the story isn't in any way exaggerated and is totally entirely true?
ninerbuff
godless wonder
Of course the prophet had to be a white guy and not a native american, who at that time still roamed more of america than the imported americans.
AxisMundi
E Pluribus Unum!!!
INdeed. But at the time he was thought of as "kooky" and it was not a widely held belief.
Even today, despite empirical proof, there are some who still believe the world flat.
Basically, the idea has reversed itself through history, from a minority thinking the world a globe, to a minority thinking it a disk.
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AxisMundi
E Pluribus Unum!!!
Of course the prophet had to be a white guy and not a native american, who at that time still roamed more of america than the imported americans.
Not to mention a white guy known as a charleton who faked archaeological evidences.
Not anything I ever heard.
I'm aware that the common, uneducated person wasn't aware of the roundness of the world (at least in the modern West; I don't know about the modern East), but as far as I can tell, the ones who were educated accepted that the world was round.
Heck, another philosopher (I forget his name; I think it was Aristophanes), managed to calculate the diameter of the planet, and he wasn't too far off from what I understand.
Very few in the more well-educated countries, though.
Did the people of the ancient East know? I don't think that's ever brought up.
AxisMundi
E Pluribus Unum!!!
Scholors were few and far between, and ahrdly represented a society en whole. And it's Eratosthenes, BTW.
And it is most certainly people right here in the US who beleive the world flat, they are part of the YECer crowd.
The Flat Earth Society comes to mind right away.
Zadok
Zadok
Of course the prophet had to be a white guy and not a native american, who at that time still roamed more of america than the imported americans.
Do you judge based on such things such as race?
BTW did you know that in 1830 the Roman Empire - Believed to be the Empire of Iron and clay was divided into 10 kingdoms? (See Daniel 2:41-44)
Zadok
Zadok
Zadok
A careful understanding of ancient Israel indicates that in the days of King David that it was know that the world was round. Although the text does not state the world to be round - their science clearly indicates that not only did they understand the world to be round but that the earth revolved around the sun.
Zadok