outhouse
Atheistically
He demonstrated nothing. He wrote nothing.
Only the unknown authors who never met or heard him wrote about him.
Mythology by all accounts.
Yes it is.
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It's said Jesus' sacrificed himself to save us...
- Thread starter Mycroft
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He demonstrated nothing. He wrote nothing.
Only the unknown authors who never met or heard him wrote about him.
Mythology by all accounts.
Yes it is.
Now yer preaching. I just got a black mark for my Opinion.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Then God would have created us perfect. But God didn't create us perfect -- God created us good.
outhouse
Atheistically
I don't see it. Must be Preaching.
outhouse
Atheistically
Your lack of understanding has nothing to do with my position or statements what so ever.
Why your posting in desperation in the past month is beyond me. Is your cancer causing you trouble?
JayJayDee
Avid JW Bible Student
Did you really say this? Seriously...this needs reporting. What a low thing to say!
Is your ego causing you trouble?
Vishvavajra
Active Member
Everyone is capable of doing anything the historical Jesus actually did. The mythic Jesus whose narrative has come to include those sorts of miraculous acts is another matter. But he's not alone: a lot of illustrious figures in antiquity have miracles and supernatural events associated with them. Hell, Caesar's assassination is said to have been foretold by an actual rain of blood and a plague of the walking dead. Funny how people only remembered that stuff a hundred years later. The emperor Vespasian is said to have healed a blind man and a cripple just by touching them. Are we therefore to posit that Vespasian was a higher order of being whose feats we can't hope to match? Alternatively, we might understand the miracles from the Gospels in their ancient literary context rather than taking them at face value and imagining that this guy was literally jogging on waves while casting resurrection spells at people. Those are ways that the Gospel authors construct meaning, and most if not all of them are actually allusions to something from the Hebrew Bible, which the original audience would have recognized.
JayJayDee
Avid JW Bible Student
How do you figure that? It is the implementation of God's infinite wisdom and foreknowledge about how something will turn out, that allows him to act in ways that do the most good for the most people, for the long term. For a timeless being, the long term is eternity.
To solve the problems of the abuse of free will, we are permitted to see for ourselves where it takes us when it is used selfishly, with no regard for the free will of others affected by our actions. All the conflicts we see on earth are the result of man using his free will in the wrong way.
We have never had God's rulership over us. But the Bible describes what it will be like when 'God's kingdom comes' and 'his will is done on earth as it is in heaven'.......only those who want what God is offering on HIS terms, will be privileged to enjoy it. (Isa 9:1-9; 65:11-25)
There is no limit to Jehovah's power but all his qualities...justice, wisdom, patience etc, are tempered by love.
He is perfectly controlled and not limited in any way by time.
All will account to him...whether they believe in him or not. (Heb 4:13)
leibowde84
Veteran Member
You are discussing something that was not claimed. I understand why people are said to have to obey, but if God has to adhere to his own laws he must be limited.
outhouse
Atheistically
Did you really say this? Seriously...this needs reporting. What a low thing to say!
Is your ego causing you trouble?
It was not ego, it was trying to help. He has gone off the rails lately and might need someone to talk to.
The rest of you are oblivious to this.
outhouse
Atheistically
Lately you have been making a lot of post that many would claim appear to be trolling. You have not done this for years, but recently your on an all out attack.
InChrist
Free4ever
You are correct, the scriptures says God created everything including humans good, rather than perfect, but I would think that good by God's standard is perfect and Jesus said we are to be perfect as our Father in heaven is perfect (Matthew 5:48). Since we all fall short of God's perfection (Romans 3:23), hence the need of Jesus' righteousness and perfection.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
You're proof texting out of context. That's never honest or helpful -- always subversive.
InChrist
Free4ever
I have no desire to be dishonest or subversive by taking verses out of context. I don't think the context changes what the words are saying, but maybe you would like to explain how you think it does.
Vishvavajra
Active Member
Me? I'm just answering questions you asked. Maybe they were intended rhetorically, but then you do run the risk of having someone actually come along and respond.
Vishvavajra
Active Member
If Jesus is encouraging people to be perfect, that's a pretty good indicator that it is in fact possible. Otherwise it would be a foolish admonition. The quote from Romans just says that everyone previously erred, not that perfection is impossible in a general sense. Note the tense, which is not actually perfect but aorist, contrary to what English translators tend to do with it. That's typical of Paul, for whom the world has just undergone a radical transformation and all traditional boundaries have been dissolved. Note also that Paul never talks about what people can't do.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
But that's precisely what happens when you take things out of context. Context changes meaning. Context is everything.