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It's said Jesus' sacrificed himself to save us...
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Thorough, complete, all inclusive.
InChrist
Free4ever
Since the gospel writer recorded the words of Jesus who used the word which means perfect, complete, lacking nothing in reference to being perfect as the Father in heaven is perfect, then I believe the idea was to display attitudes and behaviors in accordance to God's will and perfectly fulfill the laws of God. Of course no one has lived up to this perfection or completely lived in the Father's will, except Jesus Christ.
InChrist
Free4ever
I don't see it that way.
Why do Christians always make excuses for not being able to follow your Gods' will/ laws?
Really, Jesus' teaching were a waste of time to be recorded if Christian cant duplicate them.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Thank you.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
No. The gospel writer pretended to record the words of Jesus.
Sucks for you...
Ok, I understand that that is your POV and your belief. It's not mine, nor quite a large number of people who follow other faiths, however. Quoting the bible, while important for you, means very little to me as, IMO, the bible was written by men, not God. I hope you can see the difference in that.
sanraal
Member
Why Jesus' sacrifice was done he said, is that everyone who believes in him is saved, which means going to heaven.
Because the natural law of the universe is karma, what you believe in you will get. What and you live according to in your heart and desire, you will go to. So if you constantly live in depression and die, you have a large chance your soul travels to the lower realms because your vibrations are low and you feel it attracts you, unless you in your heart really didn't want it and then you will still go upwards. If you believe in reincarnation, your soul after death probably wants to reincarnate. And so on. Whatever you believe in, will happen.
Because Jesus wanted the best for us spiritually, he gave a good set example what to believe in, Him. So if we believe in His promise, we believe we are saved and believe we receive the Spirit of Love, so our body vibrations will raise according to our heart condition and when we die we will undoubtedly go to heaven. That is why he and all apostles after it tell to keep the faith strong and stay humble.
By doing this, he did not exclude believing in any other religion, or even in nothing at all or not believing in Him. After all, your path is yours only to choose. There are many ways to any heaven or positive realm after death, but he just said a clear and easy example that is free for any. The Cross should not have been misused and abused so much in history. It entirely missed it's purpose, it's a free simple clean cut gift.
If you do not believe in Jesus, at least believe that what he did was good:
Do not believe me unless I do the works of my Father. But if I do them, even though you do not believe in me, at least believe in my works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.” (John 10:37-38)
What path you believe in, you will get. So think about a country, and go there and reincarnate back,
"All these people were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them and welcomed them from a distance. And they admitted that they were aliens and strangers on Earth. People who say such things show that they are looking for a country of their own. If they had been thinking of the country they had left, they would have had opportunity to return. Instead, they were longing for a better country - a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a city for them."
(Hebrews 11:13-16)
Because the natural law of the universe is karma, what you believe in you will get. What and you live according to in your heart and desire, you will go to. So if you constantly live in depression and die, you have a large chance your soul travels to the lower realms because your vibrations are low and you feel it attracts you, unless you in your heart really didn't want it and then you will still go upwards. If you believe in reincarnation, your soul after death probably wants to reincarnate. And so on. Whatever you believe in, will happen.
Because Jesus wanted the best for us spiritually, he gave a good set example what to believe in, Him. So if we believe in His promise, we believe we are saved and believe we receive the Spirit of Love, so our body vibrations will raise according to our heart condition and when we die we will undoubtedly go to heaven. That is why he and all apostles after it tell to keep the faith strong and stay humble.
By doing this, he did not exclude believing in any other religion, or even in nothing at all or not believing in Him. After all, your path is yours only to choose. There are many ways to any heaven or positive realm after death, but he just said a clear and easy example that is free for any. The Cross should not have been misused and abused so much in history. It entirely missed it's purpose, it's a free simple clean cut gift.
If you do not believe in Jesus, at least believe that what he did was good:
Do not believe me unless I do the works of my Father. But if I do them, even though you do not believe in me, at least believe in my works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.” (John 10:37-38)
What path you believe in, you will get. So think about a country, and go there and reincarnate back,
"All these people were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them and welcomed them from a distance. And they admitted that they were aliens and strangers on Earth. People who say such things show that they are looking for a country of their own. If they had been thinking of the country they had left, they would have had opportunity to return. Instead, they were longing for a better country - a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a city for them."
(Hebrews 11:13-16)
Agreed. As I have said, I find truth in the bible, but one must glean thst truth by reading and actually studying what was written. IE: the sermon on the mount and Matthew Fox has one of the best opinions of those passages.We're likely in agreement re: mysticism, but I figured I'd not reach for the stars in that post, since it would require more than just a brief thought on one verse
Respectfully, please speak for yourself or the group of Christians you have as I don't believe in 'sin'. Given that, 'we' don't all sin. You might think you do but for me, the whole concept is rather something I find to be only something that pertains to your faih.
truthofscripture
Active Member
Consider this: Jehovah created Jesus LONG before the universe, angels, or anything else. Literally, they were together for billions of years working side by side at whatever they did. Then, through Jesus, Jehovah began the creation of angels, the universe, Earth, man, etc. He gave man one rule to follow, and a jealous angel invented religion by telling that first man that what God said isn't true. Man sinned as a result giving us all inherited sin, sickness, ageing and death. God still had purposed Earth to be a paradise filled with perfect humans who would live eternally. In order to regain the path to that purpose, things had to be done that showed Jehovah's love, justice, power, and strength. In proving Satan a liar and redeeming man from that inherited sin, Jehovah and Jesus both sacrificed much. Jehovah sacrificed Jesus, who had always been with him since his creation. Jesus sacrificed much also. How would you feel if you were reviled, beaten, tortured, hung on a torture stake to die a slow, agonizing death? All so that man could get back to perfection and Earth could go on to become a paradise. You think that's not a sacrifice?
truthofscripture
Active Member
You can refuse all you want but it won't change one single thing.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Consider this: the universe constitutes "creation," so God could not have "created" Jesus "long before the universe." Jesus is begotten -- not "created."
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Change what? That you've got it wrong?
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Does it? Is that what the biblical writer meant?
ThePainefulTruth
Romantic-Cynic
The whole concept of animal or human sacrifice for the remission of sin is pagan mythology that goes back to the dawn of time. The only path to overcome our moral failings is repentance which is what both Jesus and John the Baptizer taught from the beginning of their missions. And at least animal sacrifices have some worth, you can eat them.
ThePainefulTruth
Romantic-Cynic
It does if it's just masking the fact that the whole setup is a phoney piece of manipulation.
ThePainefulTruth
Romantic-Cynic
I'm really glad you used "if"
Yes, but the odds are stacked enormously and forever in my favor--near infinite to zero.