Is it ok for me to comment in this DIR? If not feel free to delete it James.
angellous_evangellous said:
The Nag Hammadi texts are not unified completely with respect to cosmology, but some texts make sense only when interpreted through complimentary cosmology. The elitest nature of Gnosticism - which is often presented as the common denomenator of Gnostic groups - is not a priority in many so-called Gnostic texts.
I'd say that James is right in that Gnosis is the common denominator of Gnostic religions, unsurprisingly.
Marcion is often called Gnostic, for some reason, although he wasn't as he had no concept of Gnosis.
The thing with Gnostic cosmology is, although it
is quite varied between sects, when you boil it down you have a simple formula;
1. God is the true
and only reality.
2. Humans are ignorant of God.
3. The world keeps us ignorant.
4. Gnosis frees us from ignorance and returns us to God.
Yaldaboath, the fall and rise of Sophia, Echamoth and Echmoth etc are mythological tools for explaining these basic concepts, embodying them in a salvific story/example and for confusing the literalists
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With Thomas, if you have the four points laid out above in mind then every teaching makes sense. Thomas also makes sense when looked at from a Buddhist mindset, which is weird but interesting, because the underlying themes are really very simple.
I'll have to defend the idea that Gnostics were elitist. I think that element was largely exaggerated by the church fathers to create a greater dichotomy between the proto-orthodox and their Gnostic rivals. Certain accounts (although don't ask me where from, Pagels mentioned them i imagine) from those same church fathers criticised Gnostic sects for allowing anyone to attend their meetings from any background or religion, even pagans! oh my...
Men and women played equal roles and there was no hierarchy, everyone was equal and people got to take on different roles at each meeting - bishop, prophet etc.
The elitism comes in with some Sethian Gnostics (the oldest Gnostic sect that was entirely Jewish before embracing Christian aspects, and from which Valentinianism evolved), they called themselves the Children of Seth and taught that they were the few chosen people among the great masses - which reflects IMO their Jewish origin, they were the
chosen of the chosen people of God.
Later Gnosticism was only elitist in that it required people had a certain level of understanding of Gnostic thought before they revealed the whole shebang. Much like today people who want to convert to Judaism need to spend years studying.
People who were more materialistic, and those who believed in a more traditional "bearded guy in the sky with lightning bolts" concept of God (Psychicals) weren't considered 'ready' to be taught pneumatic thought, although they were still welcome at meetings - i guess in the hope that they'd see the error of their ways
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Out of interest, how in the world can you consider Protestant Christianity to be Gnostic? From my POV its even less Gnostic that Catholicism.