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I've changed my mind about Gnosticism

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angellous_evangellous

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Mr Cheese said:
interest?

just one quick thing...

thwere is more stuff than the naghammadi texts...

Pistis sophia is one very large text for example
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Yeah, I know. There are a few textual issues in various copies of the NT that are "Gnostic" but these are few and far between..

Keeping in mind...

Pistis Sophia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Until the discovery of the Nag Hammadi library in 1945, the Askew Codex was one of three codices that contained almost all of the gnostic writings that had survived the suppression of such literature both in East and West, the other two codices being the Bruce Codex and the Berlin Codex. Aside from these sources, everything written about Gnosticism before World War II is based on quotes, references and inferences in the Patristic writings of the enemies of Gnosticism, where Gnostic beliefs were selected to present their absurdities, bizarre and unethical behavior, and heresy from the orthodox Pauline Christian standpoint.
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Plus there's the Gospel of Judas. It seems authentically Gnostic from my reading of it... but feel free to comment on your opinions. :) It's awesome that you've found a new understanding of this faith. It's all anyone could ask of a Christian. *hug*
 
Mr Cheese

Mr Cheese

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Buttons* said:
Plus there's the Gospel of Judas. It seems authentically Gnostic from my reading of it... but feel free to comment on your opinions. :) It's awesome that you've found a new understanding of this faith. It's all anyone could ask of a Christian. *hug*
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Have you read Deconick's book on Judas?
It turns the book on its head and proclaims Judas to be the Demi Urge..
 
Mr Cheese

Mr Cheese

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Buttons* said:
lol, I haven't. I should check it out though. It would be yet another mind-**** :D
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Its got a great summary of Sethian Gnosticism also...

higly reccomended



"I didn't find a sublime Judas.
I found a Judas more demonic than any Judas
I know in any other piece of early Christian literature."

-April DeConick
  • In 2006, National Geographic released the first English translation of the Gospel of Judas, a second-century text discovered in Egypt in the 1970s. The translation caused a sensation because it seemed to overturn the popular image of Judas the betrayer and instead presented a benevolent Judas who was a friend of Jesus.
  • Writers and academics have been quick to seize the opportunity to "rehabilitate" Judas as to re-examine our assumptions about this archetypal figure.
  • In The Thirteenth Apostle April DeConick offers a new translation of the Gospel of Judas which seriously challenges the National Geographic interpretation of a good Judas.
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Gospel of Judas Conference, Sorbonne, Paris 2006
  • DeConick contends that the Gospel of Judas is not about a “good” Judas, or even a “poor old” Judas. It is a gospel parody about a “demon” Judas written by a particular group of Gnostic Christians – the Sethians. Whilst many other leading scholars have toed the National Geographic line, Professor DeConick is the first leading scholar to challenge this ‘official’ version. In doing so, she is sure to inspire the fresh debate around this most infamous of biblical figures.
Who do you think wrote the Gospel? Why do you think they wrote it?
The Gospel of Judas was written by Gnostic Christians called Sethians in the mid-second century. They wrote it to criticize Apostolic or mainstream Christianity, which they understood to be a form of Christianity that needed to reassess its faith. Particularly troubling for these Gnostic Christians was the Apostolic belief in the atonement, because this meant that God would have had to commit infanticide by sacrificing the Son. They wrote the Gospel of Judas to prove that this could not be the case. Why? Because Judas was a demon who worked for another demon who rules this world and whose name is Ialdabaoth. How did they know this? Because Jesus had revealed this to Judas before Judas betrayed him. That is the bottom line. That is what this gospel says.

extract from: http://www.aprildeconick.com/gospelofjudas.html

 
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