January 6th, Just What Was It?

[SkepticThinker]

Man gets 4 years for attacking police at Jan. 6 Capitol riot

A Virginia man who assaulted police with a stolen baton and used a flashing strobe light to disorient officers trying to defend the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021 was sentenced Tuesday to more than four years in prison. Geoffrey Sills of Mechanicsville, Virginia, was convicted of assault with a...

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"A Virginia man who assaulted police with a stolen baton and used a flashing strobe light to disorient officers trying to defend the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021 was sentenced Tuesday to more than four years in prison.

Geoffrey Sills of Mechanicsville, Virginia, was convicted of assault with a dangerous weapon, obstruction of Congress and robbery for his role in the violence at the Capitol's Lower West Terrace tunnel, where police were beaten and crushed as as they tried to beat back the angry mob of President Donald Trump supporters."

But... but ... but ... they didn't have weapons!!

 

[Ponder This]

But you've not shown that they've done that.

Again, the prosecution has stated that they did provide Chansley's defense with the footage. If they're lying, a judge will discover that and take appropriate action. If they're not, then nothing changes....Chansley's guilty plea stands and he stays in prison.

I don't know that we have a significant disagreement here except to say that it's is possible that Chansley case will not be reconsidered because of the waiver of Appeal.

Empty assertion.

Not as empty as your assertion that the footage was provided to the defense.
Because inculpatory footage was available the public prior to Tucker's release whereas exculpatory footage was not available to the public prior to Tucker's release.

Or not. Either way, I don't see how the footage changes what he pled guilty to. He was part of the mob that broke through police lines outside the Capitol, he was among the first to enter the Capitol, and after police let him into the Senate Floor to try and persuade the other insurrectionists to leave, he instead riled them up more and refused to leave to the point where he had to be physically removed by law enforcement.

He wasn't there to protest, he was there to obstruct the counting of the electoral votes, exactly what he pled guilty to.

Is this about the charge of Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, or about about Entering and Remaining in a Restricted Building?
Also, you acknowledge that the video shows police led Chansley to the Senate Chamber, but don't see why that would be exculpatory evidence?

The video is not exculpatory because it is cherry picked. There is evidence of his participation and doing what he was charged with. The he was acting somewhat sanely for a small percentage of the time is not exculpatory.

Even an axe murderer will act sane at times. That does not mean that video of her acting sanely for a few minutes proves that she did not take an an axe and give her mother forty whacks.

Chansley was charged with Obstruction of an Official Proceeding after having been led to the Senate Chamber by the capitol police - this is shown in the (exculpatory) video. The other (inculpatory) video shows Chansley entering the capitol building. Which of these videos do you consider "cherry-picked" and why?

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

I don't know that we have a significant disagreement here except to say that it's is possible that Chansley case will not be reconsidered because of the waiver of Appeal.

You disagree on more than that. That might be the only point you agree on - Buffalo Bob won't get an appeal if he waived the right. For example, has anybody agreed with you that any of the footage was exculpatory? Is there any evidence that the defense considers it exculpatory?

exculpatory footage was not available to the public prior to Tucker's release.

There is none. To my knowledge, nobody had their charges reduced or dropped because of that footage.

you acknowledge that the video shows police led Chansley to the Senate Chamber, but don't see why that would be exculpatory evidence?

I don't either. Why do you? You seem to imply that if a policeman ushers one somewhere, whatever he does thereafter is permitted. That's incorrect. Nothing about that is exculpatory. It might implicate the cop, making it inculpatory, but it is not the exculpatory. You've offered no argument that it is, just the claim.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Chansley was charged with Obstruction of an Official Proceeding after having been led to the Senate Chamber by the capitol police - this is shown in the (exculpatory) video. The other (inculpatory) video shows Chansley entering the capitol building. Which of these videos do you consider "cherry-picked" and why?

So what? He was one of the leaders of the break in. He was in the forefront. One does not get there by being a tourist. You do not get to ignore the videos that clearly show him participating and only pay attention to the ones that you want to see. That little bit of cherry picked video does not refute the other evidence.

 

[Jose Fly]

Not as empty as your assertion that the footage was provided to the defense.

Sheesh, pay better attention. The prosecution is claiming they'd already provided the footage to the defense.

Because inculpatory footage was available the public prior to Tucker's release whereas exculpatory footage was not available to the public prior to Tucker's release.

There is no exculpatory footage.

Is this about the charge of Obstruction of an Official Proceeding, or about about Entering and Remaining in a Restricted Building?
Also, you acknowledge that the video shows police led Chansley to the Senate Chamber, but don't see why that would be exculpatory evidence?

It's about the obstruction charge he pled guilty to. And you've had the context of the footage explained to you by multiple people, including in my post that you're replying to.

Chansley was charged with Obstruction of an Official Proceeding after having been led to the Senate Chamber by the capitol police - this is shown in the (exculpatory) video. The other (inculpatory) video shows Chansley entering the capitol building. Which of these videos do you consider "cherry-picked" and why?

Sheesh, you really don't understand? Really?

He was escorted to the Chamber by police as part of their effort to de-escalate the situation. They were hoping he would persuade the other insurrectionists to leave. Instead, he went inside, riled them up even more, refused to leave, and had to be physically removed from the Chamber.

Carlson ignoring all that, not showing the footage of Chansley at the front lines outside the Capitol, saying it's a "mystery" how he entered the Capitol despite there being video of him entering with the first wave of insurrectionists, and showing only the footage of police doing the above while not showing what happened afterwards is the definition of cherry picking.

 

[wellwisher]

Jan 6 demonstration was the culmination of the 2016 Swamp-Democrat led Coup, where the criminals involved still had unpunished crimes that they were seeking to avoid. Does anyone remember the Russian Collusion Coup, when the Swamp, the entire Democrat party leadership and many Swamp Republicans attempted to overthrow a duly elected President? They lied continuously, along with their allies in fake news, for two years running their illegal coup.

When this lie was debunked, nobody apologized and nobody was tried or sent to jail for treason. There should have been a firing squad. However, nobody was brought to justice, with all the criminals getting away with crimes, such as spying on the Trump campaign, by Obama and Biden; worse that what Nixon did. This escape from due justice emboldened the criminals.

They decided to double down and created two sham impeachments of Trump, using a projected quid pro quo in Ukraine, which now turns out to have been really about covering for the Biden Family influence peddling business in Ukraine. Again, nobody apologized and nobody was tried and punished for fraud and the illegal use of tax payer money for a cover up.

Going into the election of 2020, the Swamp and Democrats had this reputation of engaging in illegal activity and fraud, and getting away with it, free. Also everyone knew Trump was finally getting his sea legs and was prepared, in his second term, to mount his offensive; seek due justice. Trump and most people assume there would another round of illegal Swamp activity due to their desperation. We later found out that Twitter and most of Social media was being used to by the Swamp to censor the Right; election interference with government resources, thereby allowing the Left to cheat once again.

Jan 6, was a last ditch attempt to seek justice for Trump and America, before the Con artists took power and used their position of power, to run out the liability clock, purge residual evidence, and then go after their political enemies. They continued to harass Trump in with NYC swamp. The Patriots, who saw the years of injustice, converged on Washington, to seek justice. But once again, the criminals ran a con; incited the riot, as a way to add another deceptive smoke screen. The Jan 6 committee was stacked, like a kangaroo count, which was expected from that criminal gang.

The wild card is when the Republicans won the House and are now revisiting these events. The Jan 6 committee did not show all the video but cherry picked to support their latest con. The budget deficit and debt has been a blessing, since it now threatens to undo the house of cards that the swamp has built. One of the goals of the House is to bring spending back to past levels, before the con artists misused the power of Government; out flank the criminals and investigate them.

 

[metis]

Jan 6 demonstration was the culmination of the 2016 Swamp-Democrat led Coup, where the criminals involved still had unpunished crimes that they were seeking to avoid. Does anyone remember the Russian Collusion Coup, when the Swamp, the entire Democrat party leadership and many Swamp Republicans attempted to overthrow a duly elected President? They lied continuously, along with their allies in fake news, for two years running their illegal coup.

When this lie was debunked, nobody apologized and nobody was tried or sent to jail for treason. There should have been a firing squad. However, nobody was brought to justice, with all the criminals getting away with crimes, such as spying on the Trump campaign, by Obama and Biden; worse that what Nixon did. This escape from due justice emboldened the criminals.

They decided to double down and created two sham impeachments of Trump, using a projected quid pro quo in Ukraine, which now turns out to have been really about covering for the Biden Family influence peddling business in Ukraine. Again, nobody apologized and nobody was tried and punished for fraud and the illegal use of tax payer money for a cover up.

Going into the election of 2020, the Swamp and Democrats had this reputation of engaging in illegal activity and fraud, and getting away with it, free. Also everyone knew Trump was finally getting his sea legs and was prepared, in his second term, to mount his offensive; seek due justice. Trump and most people assume there would another round of illegal Swamp activity due to their desperation. We later found out that Twitter and most of Social media was being used to by the Swamp to censor the Right; election interference with government resources, thereby allowing the Left to cheat once again.

Jan 6, was a last ditch attempt to seek justice for Trump and America, before the Con artists took power and used their position of power, to run out the liability clock, purge residual evidence, and then go after their political enemies. They continued to harass Trump in with NYC swamp. The Patriots, who saw the years of injustice, converged on Washington, to seek justice. But once again, the criminals ran a con; incited the riot, as a way to add another deceptive smoke screen. The Jan 6 committee was stacked, like a kangaroo count, which was expected from that criminal gang.

The wild card is when the Republicans won the House and are now revisiting these events. The Jan 6 committee did not show all the video but cherry picked to support their latest con. The budget deficit and debt has been a blessing, since it now threatens to undo the house of cards that the swamp has built. One of the goals of the House is to bring spending back to past levels, before the con artists misused the power of Government; out flank the criminals and investigate them.

What an absurd piece of trash that is. Maybe get off the Fox teat and turn to an actual news station.

 

[Jose Fly]

What an absurd piece of trash that is. Maybe get off the Fox teat and turn to an actual news station.

I'd reply, but he doesn't respond. He's afraid I guess.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

Does anyone remember the Russian Collusion Coup, when the Swamp, the entire Democrat party leadership and many Swamp Republicans attempted to overthrow a duly elected President? They lied continuously, along with their allies in fake news, for two years running their illegal coup.

Sorry, no. I don't watch conservative indoctrination media. It looks like you don't see anything else.

When this lie was debunked, nobody apologized and nobody was tried or sent to jail for treason. There should have been a firing squad.

You really are a Trump supporter, aren't you? Yeah, I'd love to see that standard applied now, but it's not how they do things in America except with foreign enemies like Hussein and bin Laden. Treasonous Americans only get prison or less.

And apologize to whom? MAGA? They're the enemy. They're anti-American, anti-Constitution, anti-rule of law, and anti-democracy. As you suggest, many should be executed, like the Rosenbergs, and the rest thrown in a dungeon.

nobody was brought to justice, with all the criminals getting away with crimes, such as spying on the Trump campaign, by Obama and Biden

My comment is the same as it is whenever I read these kinds of comments from MAGA. First, I don't believe you, and second, even if I did, I not only wouldn't mind, I'd applaud. You say your election was stolen: [1] I don't believe you, and [2] I'd be just as happy with that as a legitimate win.

Why shouldn't I be? Because it might be a departure from American values including a love of democracy? I don't have the same standards for Americans who defend democracy as I do with those that assault it. I wouldn't mind stealing an election from them just like wouldn't mind somebody stealing from a thief or lying to a liar. I don't mind seeing the intolerant not tolerated, nor the violent subjected to violence. Peace and tolerance are for other people that share those values. And on it goes. The wild card is when the Republicans won the House and are now revisiting these events. So, if Obama and Biden did anything "inappropriate" to Trump or the Republicans and got away with it, especially if it hurt them - wait for it - a standing ovation. Well done, gentlemen. Now do Putin the same way if you can. He's also enemy and not entitled to forbearance.
How's that working out? McCarthy is a laughingstock. Jordan, too. Greene is like a chimp on meth.

The Jan 6 committee did not show all the video but cherry picked to support their latest con.

No, they cherry-picked the inculpatory evidence to prepare a report for the American people and posterity, while ignoring the irrelevant footage, none of which was exculpatory, which is the real message of those 44,000+ hours. That was their job, and they did it admirably.

One of the goals of the House is to bring spending back to past levels

No, it's not. That's just another lie. Their goal is to make the government a tool for the concentration of wealth, power, and privilege in the few at the expense of the many. The spending they want cut is whatever serves ordinary people, and they want the government to spend like a drunken sailor when they are the beneficiaries.

I'd reply, but he doesn't respond.

He doesn't need to. Why would you even want to see the response? Can't you predict it already? And really, isn't it preferable that he just post and disappear? One can't have a productive discussion with someone like that.

 

[Jose Fly]

He doesn't need to. Why would you even want to see the response? Can't you predict it already? And really, isn't it preferable that he just post and disappear? One can't have a productive discussion with someone like that.

It seems weird to me for someone to join a discussion board, and then not engage in discussion. I guess he thinks himself some sort of preacher or something.

 

[Ponder This]

Sheesh, pay better attention. The prosecution is claiming they'd already provided the footage to the defense.

I already explained the difference. You should pay better attention.

There is no exculpatory footage.

The exculpatory nature has already been explained. Go back and read.

It's about the obstruction charge he pled guilty to. And you've had the context of the footage explained to you by multiple people, including in my post that you're replying to.

If it's about the Obstruction charge, then you should be aware that Entering and Remaining in a Restricted Building is a different charge. It doesn't make sense to argue for Obstruction by showing evidence for Entering and Remaining in a Restricted Building.

Sheesh, you really don't understand? Really?

He was escorted to the Chamber by police as part of their effort to de-escalate the situation. They were hoping he would persuade the other insurrectionists to leave. Instead, he went inside, riled them up even more, refused to leave, and had to be physically removed from the Chamber.

Carlson ignoring all that, not showing the footage of Chansley at the front lines outside the Capitol, saying it's a "mystery" how he entered the Capitol despite there being video of him entering with the first wave of insurrectionists, and showing only the footage of police doing the above while not showing what happened afterwards is the definition of cherry picking.

Why you think the police led Chansley to the Senate Chamber isn't relevant. The relevant part was Chansley's state of mind, not the policemen's state of mind.
And you seem to be claiming that video footage of Chansley outside the capitol building is inculpatory of the Obstruction charge, but it's actually inculpatory of other charges. You seem not willing to really consider your statements. And haven't offered anything more of value to a continued discussion.

In other news, Chansley was moved to a halfway house. It appears that he has earned reductions in his sentence due to good behavior.
"QAnon Shaman" Jacob Chansley released early from federal prison, transferred to halfway house
I think this is worth noting for those who may be reluctant to re-evaluate their opinion of him.

In Chansley's own words:
"I am in no way shape or form a dangerous criminal. I am not a violent man. I am not an insurrectionist. I am certainly not a domestic terrorist," Chansley told the judge. "I am nothing like these criminals that I have been incarcerated with."

 

[Subduction Zone]

I already explained the difference. You should pay better attention.


The exculpatory nature has already been explained. Go back and read.


If it's about the Obstruction charge, then you should be aware that Entering and Remaining in a Restricted Building is a different charge. It doesn't make sense to argue for Obstruction by showing evidence for Entering and Remaining in a Restricted Building.


Why you think the police led Chansley to the Senate Chamber isn't relevant. The relevant part was Chansley's state of mind, not the policemen's state of mind.
And you seem to be claiming that video footage of Chansley outside the capitol building is inculpatory of the Obstruction charge, but it's actually inculpatory of other charges. You seem not willing to really consider your statements. And haven't offered anything more of value to a continued discussion.

In other news, Chansley was moved to a halfway house. It appears that he has earned reductions in his sentence due to good behavior.
"QAnon Shaman" Jacob Chansley released early from federal prison, transferred to halfway house
I think this is worth noting for those who may be reluctant to re-evaluate their opinion of him.

Your so called explanations were refuted several times. But as to the early release. good for him. It shows that he may have learned from his mistakes. I do not hold a grudge, I just want to see that justice is done.

 

[Shaul]

For Ashli Babbitt January 6th was her last day of breathing.

 

[F1fan]

For Ashli Babbitt January 6th was her last day of breathing.

Her fault.

 

[Father Heathen]

I'd reply, but he doesn't respond. He's afraid I guess.

Never responds to me, either. I assume he has me on ignore.

 

[metis]

For Ashli Babbitt January 6th was her last day of breathing.

That was truly unfortunate but understandable. But what about the 140 Capitol Police that were injured? Don't they matter? What about the threat to all the congresspeople there, including many of the Pubs that ran for shelter? What about the attempt of the MAGA element that tried to negate the election? Doesn't democracy matter?