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Jehovah's Witness=Unbiblical Religion!

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Agree to disagree
Jehovah's witnesses believe every Christian Church on earth for over 1500 years was teaching evil doctrines, like it is okay to pray to Demons, Idols, evil Spirits, was committing Idolatry, was a false Religion!

If Jehovah's witnesses would respect other Churches, I would respect the Jehovah's witness faith and religion! ;)
 

Hockeycowboy

Witness for Jehovah
Premium Member
Because he feels like it. He gets to do whatever he wants to.
That’s a rude non-answer.

Why are you being rude?

Why do you rave against the Bible, then turn around and use the parts that you feel support your view?


After Jesus’ resurrection, at Matthew 28:18, Jesus said “All authority has been given me in Heaven and on Earth.”

Why would he say that?
If he were God, wouldn’t he have had the authority to begin with at the start?

And Jesus did love the Bible, at least the parts that were available to him… the Hebrew Scriptures, called the OT.
How do we know? Because He quoted from them all the time!
 

Hockeycowboy

Witness for Jehovah
Premium Member
Jehovah's witnesses believe every Christian Church on earth for over 1500 years was teaching evil doctrines, like it is okay to pray to Demons, Idols, evil Spirits, was committing Idolatry, was a false Religion!

If Jehovah's witnesses would respect other Churches, I would respect the Jehovah's witness faith and religion! ;)
We respect & love people, we don’t necessarily agree with the ideologies they may support.

We certainly wouldn’t kill anybody!!
Can your religion say that? What’s it’s reputation? I think you know the answer.
 

Brian2

Veteran Member
JWs interpret the scriptures slightly differently than others, I don't think I would say that they are not Christians, because there are many different kinds of Christians each with their own interpretations.

Being an atheist, it personally doesn't matter to me who believe they are correct, because I think all of them is wrong, so that at least speak to my neutrality in regards to this topic :D

Personally, from reading the bible there are things which I agree with that JWs have gotten right. I do not think that the bible support a trinity and that JWs are correct that Jesus is the son of God. Jesus himself doesn't seem to think anything else and also the scriptures are written in a very strange way, if he were in fact God.

Whether Michael is suppose to be Jesus or not, I have no clue given that Revelation is such a weird text that I think almost anything goes in it.

The reason they reject the cross or any symbols as far as I know, is because God made it very clear that you are not to worship any idols, symbols etc. Also why you don't find Jesus on the cross or other things like that in JWs "churches".

Exodus 20:4-6
4 - “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 - You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me,
6 - but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.


So if Jesus is God, then clearly all other Christians are breaking God's command by having crosses and Jesus in the churches etc. So again, depending on how you interpret it, JWs are not wrong here, because the Bible does actually say that.


Hell as far as I know, comes from the word Gehenna. Which was a place outside Jerusalem where they burned stuff.

The word derives from the Hebrew: גי(א)-הינום Gêhinnôm (also Guy ben-Hinnom (גיא בן הינום) meaning the Valley of Hinnom's son. The valley forms the southwest border of ancient Jerusalem that stretches from the foot of Mt. Zion to the Kidron Valley. It is first mentioned in Joshua 15:8. Originally it referred to a garbage dump in a deep narrow valley right outside the walls of Jerusalem where fires were kept burning to consume the refuse and keep down the stench. It is also the location where bodies of executed criminals, or individuals denied a proper burial, would be dumped. In addition, this valley was frequently not controlled by the Jewish authority within the city walls; it is traditionally held that this valley was used as a place of religious child-sacrifice to Moloch by the Canaanites outside the city (comp. Jer. 2: 23).

Like Sheol, Gehenna is sometimes translated as Hell.


Whether that applies to all cases in the Bible I don't know, but it is also not impossible to imagine that the meaning changed over time, from what it originally referred to. And as far as I know, JWs do not believe in Hell for this reason, because they believe it refer to this place outside Jerusalem. Again, hell in the OT as we know it from the NT does not exist. So again, are they wrong or right, depends on the interpretation.


This argument you could use against any Christians, why did God wait to reveal himself to the Jews and not those before him? :)

Christians don't worship crosses.
Christians say that Jesus is the Son of God, not a created being.
Arius in the 4th century decided that Jesus was a created being even though no Christian group before that had taught such a thing. The JWs say the same thing, which contradicts the Christian 2000 year teaching and the Bible. The JWs also teaching other things which contradict the 2000 year old Church teachings and the Bible. Why did God wait almost 2000 years to bring the true church into existence, a church which contradicts the 2000 year old Church on many things.
 

Brian2

Veteran Member
We respect & love people, we don’t necessarily agree with the ideologies they may support.

We certainly wouldn’t kill anybody!!
Can your religion say that? What’s it’s reputation? I think you know the answer.

Is the JW religion correct because it is politically neutral?
 

Brian2

Veteran Member
That’s a rude non-answer.

Why are you being rude?

Why do you rave against the Bible, then turn around and use the parts that you feel support your view?


After Jesus’ resurrection, at Matthew 28:18, Jesus said “All authority has been given me in Heaven and on Earth.”

Why would he say that?
If he were God, wouldn’t he have had the authority to begin with at the start?

And Jesus did love the Bible, at least the parts that were available to him… the Hebrew Scriptures, called the OT.
How do we know? Because He quoted from them all the time!

Jesus while a man said that everything the Father has belongs to Him, Jesus. This included all power and authority.
But the Son is the Son and does not take things from His Father but waits to be given them.
Jesus was given all power and authority when He came to power on His everlasting throne after being the humble servant on earth and serving in anticipation of what was coming, this power and authority.
 

Brian2

Veteran Member
Daniel 12 says “true knowledge will become abundant” — when? — “in the final part of the days.

I suppose then people will understand the prophecies that Daniel was locking up.
Does it mean that a new Church with a different gospel would spring up to contradict 2000 year old Christian teachings. That is not true knowledge, especially when we compare many of the JW teachings to the Bible.
 

Brian2

Veteran Member
But they didn't worship them, if you remember when the Jews made the golden calf as a "gift" to God while waiting for Moses to return from the mountain. God got really angry and Moses smashed the tablets as well and killed those that did it.

Not everything made is worshipped, otherwise even the tent that God tells them to build could be worshipped. This is the same excuse the other Christians use, that you don't actually worship Jesus on the cross in the churches etc. So again, its comes down to interpretation.

The Golden Calf was the God they made to worship.
 

muhammad_isa

Veteran Member
Any religion that doesn't align to the apostles creed isn't a christian by definition..
It depends who's defining it. :D

One could claim that a person who believes that Jesus is the Christ [ Messiah ], could be called a Christian.
Naturally, those who think that Christianity must be the result of a "majority vote" in a series of ecumenical councils, claim otherwise.

Is that religion .. or politics?
 

Nimos

Well-Known Member
Christians don't worship crosses.
Christians say that Jesus is the Son of God, not a created being.
Arius in the 4th century decided that Jesus was a created being even though no Christian group before that had taught such a thing. The JWs say the same thing, which contradicts the Christian 2000 year teaching and the Bible. The JWs also teaching other things which contradict the 2000 year old Church teachings and the Bible. Why did God wait almost 2000 years to bring the true church into existence, a church which contradicts the 2000 year old Church on many things.
Why did God wait for the Jews before caring about humans? or before revealing himself? Why didn't God get it right the first time so he didn't have to flood the world? Why didn't God get rid of Satan? Why didn't he inform Adam and Eve about him? Why did God wait almost 2000 years to bring the true church into existence?

To me these questions fall in the same category. My point is that it is not a "final" blow for JWs, even if they can't explain it. Because none of these other questions are explained either.
 

Vee

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
I believe @Bree @Eyes to See @Hockeycowboy and @Vee are Jehovah's witnesses.

Who else at this forum are witnesses?


I've been a JW for a bit more than 10 years. I decided to become a Witness after a number of years of studying the Bible, history, culture and a few other matters. My decision was based on the knowledge I gained and I've never once regretted it.

That's all I have to say. I'm not going to get into a debate with you about your opinions. Don't take it personally, but I prefer to donate my time and energy to people who are interested in learning.
 

PruePhillip

Well-Known Member
JW is just as Christian as other parts of Christianity, yes their teaching is different, but so what?
JW people are some of the nicest to speak with in my viw.

Except that unlike other Christians JW's do know when Jesus will return, ie 1914, 1975 etc..
And JW's see Jesus as the archangel Gabriel.
And JW's generally don't accept the eucharist because they believe they aren't worthy and will
live on earth instead of heaven.
These are examples are seriously weird doctrines to other Christians.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
Except that unlike other Christians JW's do know when Jesus will return, ie 1914, 1975 etc..
And JW's see Jesus as the archangel Gabriel.
And JW's generally don't accept the eucharist because they believe they aren't worthy and will
live on earth instead of heaven.
These are examples are seriously weird doctrines to other Christians.
But it is what they believe to be true, honestly I do not see the problem, in RF there are people represting mostly all religions.
Just because a person holds a belief other that you or me, I can not understand the need to push it in their face, stamping them with a sign saying "YOU ARE WRONG"

better to look at our selves and fix our own life, I am done with criticizing others people's belief
 
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