"JEHOVAH'S" witnesses and Revelation 12:17

[djhwoodwerks]

Peter and the other Apostles were teaching the people that the Messiah, as Jesus, had already come and died, and that the way to worship Jehovah God, now, was through Jesus. But the Apostles' audience -- the Jews -- already knew Jehovah. Today, it's the opposite: everyone knows who the Savior is....they're just not taught who God is, the One who made Jesus our Savior.

I think I got what you're trying to say. The first century Christians were to teach, preach and witness for Jesus, because everyone already knew God. But now, since everyone knows about Jesus, we should be teaching, preaching and witnessing about God because everyone forgot who He was/is. Is that what you're trying to say?

 

[Domenic]

Gods name in the scriptures is YHWH. The Jews do not say Gods name because they can't translate YHWH. But, they tell Christians his name is Jehovah. The Bible used by JW's has replaced YHWH with Jehovah. Jesus never said what his Fathers name was. God says all people will know my name...will is future, not present.
JW's are a cult...I know this because I was one for 30 years. I can list everything that proves they are a false religion...if you want to get down to bedrock, I can prove all religions are false. I believe in God, his son, our Lord Jesus, and Gods written word in the scrolls. Religions claim the man made Bible is from the scrolls...yes much of it is, but all the major things one needs has been changed. The Greek scriptures are not things God had men write...those are letters to other Christians. If you are a Christian, follow the scrolls as Jesus did. All religions say they are the true religion, and all others are false...well, somebody has to have their head in the sand. Even with a screwed up copy of the scrolls(the bible) any religion can be proven false...Gods word in the scrolls can be proven true.
Here is something to set your hair on fire. Google, "Star of David sign of Satan." David never had a star. Look on the back side of the U.S. dollar bill. On the top right hand side is the emblem of the United States. Above the eagle is 13 stars...which was the start of the U.S....those stars in in the same form as the sign of Satan. It is also on the flag of Israel...Gods people did not go back to the Holly Land like claimed in 1948. Only one tribe went there, the tribe of Judah. the other 11 tribes are not there.

 

[Domenic]

Oh, and Gods people are not known as Jews. The word Jew comes from the tribe of Judah. the other 11 tribes have their own name. God called all of the, the tribe of Israel. The Jews have the world believing all of Gods people are Jews...that is a bold face lie.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Yes, for sure! Keep in mind, though....who was Peter talking to? Was it not the spiritual leaders of the Jews? They were already worshippers of Jehovah! The God they worshipped was the same God Peter was worshipping!

I totally agree, Peter was talking to the religious leaders and they worshiped (maybe) the same God, let's see. Jesus said,

Mat 23:1-3 (ESVST) 1 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, 2 "The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses 'seat, 3 so do and observe whatever they tell you, but not the works they do. For they preach, but do not practice.

Mat 5:20 (ESVST) 20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

So, if the leaders were worshiping God as you're claiming, why did Jesus condemn them? What were they missing? Apparently, there is more needed, don't you think?

 

[Hockeycowboy]

I totally agree, Peter was talking to the religious leaders and they worshiped (maybe) the same God, let's see. Jesus said,

Mat 23:1-3 (ESVST) 1 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, 2 "The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses 'seat, 3 so do and observe whatever they tell you, but not the works they do. For they preach, but do not practice.

Mat 5:20 (ESVST) 20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

So, if the leaders were worshiping God as you're claiming, why did Jesus condemn them? What were they missing? Apparently, there is more needed, don't you think?

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Your post answers your question.....as Jesus said, "They say, but do not perform." Compare Matthew 15:9; John 4:23-24.

 

[savagewind]

Your post answers your question.....as Jesus said, "They say, but do not perform." Compare Matthew 15:9; John 4:23-24.

What do you think "precepts of men" mean?

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Yes, for sure! Keep in mind, though....who was Peter talking to? Was it not the spiritual leaders of the Jews? They were already worshippers of Jehovah! The God they worshipped was the same God Peter was worshipping!

Well now, your previous post contradicts what you say now. You said "they were already worshipers of God! The God they worshiped was the same God Peter was worshiping" Now you say, "they were just saying, but not doing." Were they, or were they not worshiping God?

Your post answers your question.....as Jesus said, "They say, but do not perform." Compare Matthew 15:9; John 4:23-24.

 

[savagewind]

I totally agree, Peter was talking to the religious leaders and they worshiped (maybe) the same God, let's see. Jesus said,

Mat 23:1-3 (ESVST) 1 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, 2 "The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses 'seat, 3 so do and observe whatever they tell you, but not the works they do. For they preach, but do not practice.

Mat 5:20 (ESVST) 20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

So, if the leaders were worshiping God as you're claiming, why did Jesus condemn them? What were they missing? Apparently, there is more needed, don't you think?

I think this is an example of "teaching precepts of men".
Matthew 23:3 is translated "do and keep on doing" but it occurs to me that it might really mean, "bear" and "observe". To observe does not mean to imitate. I think the word means to keep watching. Bear means to carry. So I am pretty sure it actually means to keep in mind what a teacher says until you know what the teaching results in. In other words do not forget what a teacher of God's Word says. It might be right or it might be wrong. when you keep in mind what is being taught in the name of The Lord then you will know for certain if the teacher is for God or not for God.

 

[savagewind]

MEN are saying Matthew 23:3 means to obey Moses. But that means we should all be Jewish. Doesn't it?

Also, what does "they preach but do not practice" mean?

Doesn't it mean that they say we should obey God, but they do not listen to God to obey God? Compare James 3:18 poiousin ποιοῦσιν Strong's 4160

 

[savagewind]

Another example of men's precepts. They say Hebrews 13:17 says "obey" the men taking the lead in the congregation.
But if you have a minute look up all the possible meanings of the word translated "obey" and you should be able to see the essence of the word is "cause to do something by reasoning or argument". It looks like it may also be related to the word "yield". I think what it means is that a person may rise to be a teacher in Jesus' name then let him and do not hinder him or her. In other words do not stand in opposition to anyone who would enter the congregation, even to teach the congregation. Basically, it means do not fight. Do not fight and obey mean the same, according to you? Yes, according to ALL the teachers of God's Word they mean the same. And I should not be crazy? OK I am trying not to be.

 

[savagewind]

Compare Hebrews 13:7

 

[Christ's Prophet]

@Christ's Prophet I have proposed this question to many JW's:

Mat 28:19-20 (ESVST) 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you.

In Matthew 28:19, Jesus commands us to make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in "THE NAME" (singular) of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. What is "THE NAME" we are to baptize in?

All I get is, it's just like saying, "in the name of the law", they never tell me a name, whether Jehovah, Jesus, or God. Then I challenge them to search the Epistles to see what "NAME" the Apostles baptized in. I never here anymore about it.

If they would watch their own videos, they would/could see the truth. The following link is a talk about why they use the name Jehovah, it will surprise you!

Geoffrey W. Jackson: The Divine Name of Our Heavenly Father
http://tv.jw.org/#en/video/VODStudio/pub-jwban_201506_1_VIDEO

Dear Geoff
Good points
Christ's prophet
Certainty for eternity

 

[savagewind]

They always say, "Jehovah's name" which is saying, "Jehovah's name is Jehovah". Nancy's name is Nancy. No! Can anyone dispute the name of Jehovah is Jehovah?

 

[Ingledsva]

If everyone was like that then the whole world would be Nazi. Yes?

WHAT?

You do know that the majority of the Nazis, and the German people, were Christian, - right?

Hitler went to a Christian school, and the swastika he used was on that school's gate.

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[Ingledsva]

They always say, "Jehovah's name" which is saying, "Jehovah's name is Jehovah". Nancy's name is Nancy. No! Can anyone dispute the name of Jehovah is Jehovah?

Well, the Hebrew had no "J" so no Jehovah. No Jesus either.

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[savagewind]

WHAT?

You do know that the majority of the Nazis, and the German people, were Christian, - right?

Hitler went to a Christian school, and the swastika he used was on that school's gate.

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I think you missed my point. My point is when the standard is no speaking out against anything then bad things happen. It would apply to everything.

“If I were to remain silent, I'd be guilty of complicity.”

“Silence does not always mark wisdom.”

“Nothing strengthens authority so much as silence.”

“To sin by silence, when they should protest, makes cowards of men.”

“The ultimate tragedy is not the oppression and cruelty by the bad people but the silence over that by the good people.”

“Civil disobedience, as I put it to the audience, was not the problem, despite the warnings of some that it threatened social stability, that it led to anarchy. The greatest danger, I argued, was civil obedience, the submission of individual conscience to governmental authority. Such obedience led to the horrors we saw in totalitarian states, and in liberal states it led to the public's acceptance of war whenever the so-called democratic government decided on it...

In such a world, the rule of law maintains things as they are. Therefore, to begin the process of change, to stop a war, to establish justice, it may be necessary to break the law, to commit acts of civil disobedience, as Southern black did, as antiwar protesters did.”

 

[savagewind]

Well, the Hebrew had no "J" so no Jehovah. No Jesus either.

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Missed it again! Haha

 

[Ingledsva]

Missed it again! Haha

You asked - "... Can anyone dispute the name of Jehovah is Jehovah?"

So I did. There was no "J."

No one knows the name of God.

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[savagewind]

You asked - "... Can anyone dispute the name of Jehovah is Jehovah?"

So I did. There was no "J."

No one knows the name of God.

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Right. I know what you mean. It was a joke. The name of Chicago is...............................................................................................Chicago.

See?