Where in the Bible does it say denying Jesus pbuh makes one Anti Christ? Also when you say Son of God, do you mean in the First Century Jewish understanding of the term or the Greco-Roman, 'Sun of God' worship understanding?
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Jerusalem is an Arabic City?
- Thread starter Kemosloby
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Many places..the "Father and Son" understanding.
1 John 2:22 Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist--denying the Father and the Son.
Three major world religions can quote scripture and history to "prove" that Jerusalem belongs to them.
Some, like the current regime in the USA are pouring gasoline on the conflict in a desperate attempt to stay in power and to do the bidding of one of the three plutocrats that owns the party in power currently.
They are joined by the fanatics in the region, both Muslim and Jewish fanatics with Christian fanatics cheering the Jewish fanatics on.
The question was asked "what does God want". My answer is for people to renounce fanaticism and learn to live together as brothers and sisters. The trick is how to get there.
Some, like the current regime in the USA are pouring gasoline on the conflict in a desperate attempt to stay in power and to do the bidding of one of the three plutocrats that owns the party in power currently.
They are joined by the fanatics in the region, both Muslim and Jewish fanatics with Christian fanatics cheering the Jewish fanatics on.
The question was asked "what does God want". My answer is for people to renounce fanaticism and learn to live together as brothers and sisters. The trick is how to get there.
Augustus
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Jerusalem is an Arabic city to the same extent Cape Town is an English city.
1 John 2:22 is addressing the Christians, nothing to do with people of other faiths. What do you mean by 'Father and Son' term? Spiritual son, adopted or genetic?
If English people had lived in Cape Town as a majority people for over 1,400 years, they wouldbe scratching their heads at your statement.
Augustus
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Can you give me the cut off point in years after which invaders become the 'rightful' owners?
Given humans started out in Africa before invading and conquering the World as we know it, your cut off period is a mute point.
esmith
Veteran Member
As far as the Middle East goes, in the famous words of she-who-shall-not-be-named "What difference does it make".
Sunnis will be killing Shiites
Shiites will be killing Sunnis
Shiites and Sunnis will be killing the Jews
Jews will be killing anyone that that attacks them
And wait for it
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Islamic terrorist will be killing anyone
It is not going to stop until every man, woman, and child in the world is dead.
Sunnis will be killing Shiites
Shiites will be killing Sunnis
Shiites and Sunnis will be killing the Jews
Jews will be killing anyone that that attacks them
And wait for it
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Islamic terrorist will be killing anyone
It is not going to stop until every man, woman, and child in the world is dead.
Augustus
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So Jerusalem is an African city?
One could argue that with some merit.
Tumah
Veteran Member
I answered false although I think there are more choices than "it was and always will be Arab" and "was Jewish and will become so again".
Historically, it was only in Jewish hands either by control or major occupancy for about 1,000-1,500 years. Joshua is described as having fought the king of Jerusalem Adonizedek and winning, but some parts of Jerusalem still belonged to the Jebusites until David's time about 450 years later. It remained in Jewish control for the next ~ 450 years until the Babylonians conquered the Judean kingdom. 70 years later, although not necessarily in complete control of the region, the majority of the population was Jewish. About 400 years later the Romans came and took control of the area and enacted measures that caused the Jewish population to mostly scatter over the following few hundred years. Since then it's been variously under Christian or Muslim control.
So from a strictly historical perspective, it has at times been part of the Egyptian region, under various Canaanite rulers, Jewish control, Babylonian, Roman, Christian, European, Persian, Muslim and Turkish rule. I'm sure there must be more. It's false that it was always an Arab city and it's also misleading to say that it was a Jewish city without a nod to the plethora of other regions/religions that it was part of.
From a religious perspective, religious Jews believe that the land was given to us by G-d and there are many commandments that can only be fulfilled in the country and city. We've similarly been mourning the destruction of the city praying for the our return to the country and the city for longer than Islam has existed. It's somewhat more of a complicated issue because the Talmud teaches that we are forbidden to conquer the country, although there are different interpretations to the exact parameters of the prohibition. So we do believe that we will one day return to having ruler-ship of the city and country although that is generally believed (by religious Jews) to be part of the Messianic Age.
At the same time, early Islam saw itself as a continuation or supercession of Judaism by way of Christianity. Early Islamic coinage in the region was found to depict the classically Jewish symbol of the seven branched menorah along with the shahada. As with other religions that descend from Judaism, part of the inherited theology includes the importance of Israel and Jerusalem. So I think it no more wondrous to see Islam claim the city for itself than it is for the Crusaders to fight for it in the name of their own religion.
Historically, it was only in Jewish hands either by control or major occupancy for about 1,000-1,500 years. Joshua is described as having fought the king of Jerusalem Adonizedek and winning, but some parts of Jerusalem still belonged to the Jebusites until David's time about 450 years later. It remained in Jewish control for the next ~ 450 years until the Babylonians conquered the Judean kingdom. 70 years later, although not necessarily in complete control of the region, the majority of the population was Jewish. About 400 years later the Romans came and took control of the area and enacted measures that caused the Jewish population to mostly scatter over the following few hundred years. Since then it's been variously under Christian or Muslim control.
So from a strictly historical perspective, it has at times been part of the Egyptian region, under various Canaanite rulers, Jewish control, Babylonian, Roman, Christian, European, Persian, Muslim and Turkish rule. I'm sure there must be more. It's false that it was always an Arab city and it's also misleading to say that it was a Jewish city without a nod to the plethora of other regions/religions that it was part of.
From a religious perspective, religious Jews believe that the land was given to us by G-d and there are many commandments that can only be fulfilled in the country and city. We've similarly been mourning the destruction of the city praying for the our return to the country and the city for longer than Islam has existed. It's somewhat more of a complicated issue because the Talmud teaches that we are forbidden to conquer the country, although there are different interpretations to the exact parameters of the prohibition. So we do believe that we will one day return to having ruler-ship of the city and country although that is generally believed (by religious Jews) to be part of the Messianic Age.
At the same time, early Islam saw itself as a continuation or supercession of Judaism by way of Christianity. Early Islamic coinage in the region was found to depict the classically Jewish symbol of the seven branched menorah along with the shahada. As with other religions that descend from Judaism, part of the inherited theology includes the importance of Israel and Jerusalem. So I think it no more wondrous to see Islam claim the city for itself than it is for the Crusaders to fight for it in the name of their own religion.
Augustus
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Not really.
It would require anachronism to a remarkable degree to claim that a South Eastern Mediterranean city was in any sense 'African' according to modern sensibilities (or ancient to be honest).
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
You do understand the inherent absurdity of such a statement, right?Trump and only Trump bear the responsibility for any killed in the ensuing rampages
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You also, no doubt, understand that endless placation of the "Palestinians" has not exactly borne meaningful fruit, right?
In what circles though? Are folks expected to take the idea seriously?
Funniest thing I've read all week.
Exactly.
The last time it was under Jewish control was over 2000 years ago. Since then it's been either Europeans or Muslims.
The Romans conquered it around 60BCE and two centuries later the diaspora had pretty much happened. It has never been Jewish since, except in the imagination of Zionists.
Suppose some descendants of a Crusader claimed a chunk of real estate in the region based on the conquests of their forebears. How far would that get with Zionists?
Tom
Well , there are people who expect me to take Exodus as title to property seriously.
Egypt is in Africa. Moses came from Egypt. So, yeah, Exodus could fairly be retitled "Out of Africa ".
Tom
Flankerl
Well-Known Member
Well except those who were thrown/murdered/force converted out by the Muslims some years earlier to that.
Ah the Muslims most favourite Jews. Those that want to live as Dhimmis under constant threat for their life.
You do realise that NK do nothing but lie right? You know this right? I mean you probably studied the passages they always cite right? I mean as an educated Muslim you did all that right?
Why don't you debate one of them and show how their understanding of the Torah and History is incorrect?
What? Arabs are one Semitic ethnicity. Jews are another. Jews aren't Arabs.