Can't see nothing wrong with this, indigenous. Jesus is at the Right Hand of God, just as someone who is not God will be at his own right hand, amen.
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Jesus ain't God.
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Can't see nothing wrong with this, indigenous. Jesus is at the Right Hand of God, just as someone who is not God will be at his own right hand, amen.
LightTraveler
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Thanks nohead. But don't assume that Jesus is anywhere, because in Revelation it's said that he will come like a thief in the night if people aren't vigilant. He might already be here.
That's NOThead, sir. I have a head, I think. Sorry for being persnickety. Got a few knots too.
LightTraveler
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Sorry nothead haha (I almost typed hothead by mistake hahaha)
As for Jesus and the nature of angels, who knows. I wish people would be brave enough to occasionally say that they just don't know. Is Jesus the highest angel of all, even above Michael? I don't know. Or rather, I don't remember as I haven't been in spirit form since before I was born into this body.
As for Jesus and the nature of angels, who knows. I wish people would be brave enough to occasionally say that they just don't know. Is Jesus the highest angel of all, even above Michael? I don't know. Or rather, I don't remember as I haven't been in spirit form since before I was born into this body.
The insinuation to believe without question is very similar to telling a child to believe in santa claus. Though he may be real, the foundation on why to adopt it as truth is exactly the same. Trusting the teachings of individuals who thought the sun went around the earth to decipher the true teachings of the master himself.
It's does him a great injustice to ignore his true teachings and only adopt the "good Samaritan" attitude as what encapsulated his grand knowledge. He taught so much more on self knowledge, self discipline, personal development, wisdom, knowledge. I challenge you to take any two bibles and compare identical verses. what you will find is they are different. maybe only slightly but after 2000 years of revisions todays bibles are so far from his original teachings. The true teachings have been reserved from direct transcriptions of the Aramaic scrolls from the Talmud Jmmanuel. Professor James Deordorff compared many versions to Matthew at the link below where it has been prove the first inception of matthew is a revised version of the TJ, which are the original teachings. Example: Bible in Matthew says "blessed are those who are poor in spirit for theirs is the kingdom of god"..........translation.........anyone's creativity...........the TJ original writings "Blessed are those who are rich in consciousness and recognize the truth, for life with be theirs". Translation : Human beings who have evolved in thinking and can recognize reality without someone else having to tell them what's real have acknowledged reality and truth...they have taken control of their destiny". Its through thought energy and consciousness that all reality exists. The Talmud of Jmmanuel document, upon which the Gospel of Matthew is based
It's does him a great injustice to ignore his true teachings and only adopt the "good Samaritan" attitude as what encapsulated his grand knowledge. He taught so much more on self knowledge, self discipline, personal development, wisdom, knowledge. I challenge you to take any two bibles and compare identical verses. what you will find is they are different. maybe only slightly but after 2000 years of revisions todays bibles are so far from his original teachings. The true teachings have been reserved from direct transcriptions of the Aramaic scrolls from the Talmud Jmmanuel. Professor James Deordorff compared many versions to Matthew at the link below where it has been prove the first inception of matthew is a revised version of the TJ, which are the original teachings. Example: Bible in Matthew says "blessed are those who are poor in spirit for theirs is the kingdom of god"..........translation.........anyone's creativity...........the TJ original writings "Blessed are those who are rich in consciousness and recognize the truth, for life with be theirs". Translation : Human beings who have evolved in thinking and can recognize reality without someone else having to tell them what's real have acknowledged reality and truth...they have taken control of their destiny". Its through thought energy and consciousness that all reality exists. The Talmud of Jmmanuel document, upon which the Gospel of Matthew is based
Nice treatise, but the question here is whether or not Jesus is God. And the "no" answer does not in my mind delegate him to be "a good Samaritan" either. Jesus is not only propitiation, the belief in him brings the Spirit of the Comforter in the pentecostal sense. The desire and the power to do Shema, to love God with all of our heart soul and strength. Amen.
What makes you believe Christ was an angel? A MESSENGER, yes, and many verses say he is a man, espialey, as they say in Itialey. But OVER the angels, said more than several times. I believe my Heb 2:16 proves his ontology is NOT as of an angel...but then again maybe here we are dealing with those who do not consider the scripture inerrant.
Does take a bit of faith for this view, yes.
LightTraveler
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Did I say that I believed it? Perhaps if you'd re-read what I said, you'll see that I said I didn't know. I think that the scripture in its original form was inerrant. I also think that enemies of God disobeyed the order given in Revelation 22:18 and 19.
The Shema puts it slightly in more succinctness:
Love God first. Love neighbor second as yourself. Mk 12 1st and 2nd commandments by the Christ ratified, although given by the One True God.
Relational truth. God loves us, we love Him back. Covenant.
JosephThomas
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If you cannot understand how Jesus is the Light of the World, and the Word of God, then you can never perceive how he is the Son of God, never the less God himself. If you cannot understand then you cannot stipulate. If you cannot stipulate you cannot argue. and if you cannot argue, then simply look the the third day of creation and apply modern science to IT. Do not ignore it, apply modern science to it. And put faith in your own hearts. So you can except God indeed has a Word, and there is a Light, and then and only then can you accept Jesus can be the Son of God, and only through this can you begin to apply your question to logical thought. For you must understand God to actually exist to even judge your opinion about him. Your opinion about a God you have no faith in is redundant.
JosephThomas
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Jesus is the Son of God. There is no closer entity to God in the manner of understanding God.
Jesus is not God or Son of God. In fact he is mentioned in the bible as a prophet
"this is jesus the prophet of nazareth of galilee" (matthew 21:11)
and (luke 24:19), (matthew 21:46) (matthew 14:5) also mention Jesus as a prophet. It is also the most logical think to perceive Jesus as a prophet, even Islam and Judaism sees Jesus as a prophet.
Christian people always say that Jesus sacrified himself for our sins, but that is not true, because if you look at history and how Jesus was crufied it indicates that Jesus did not die for people's sins.
the concept that Jesus sacrified himself is like saying that Jesus said "here kill me, i sacrifice myself for you guys". But that is not true because Jesus did not hand over himself to the Romans and to the Jews, The Jews and Romans captured Jesus, and wanted to kill him because they thought that was a threat to them and they thought that Jesus performed miracles with black magic that is why the jews and romans wanted to kill Jesus not because Jesus wanted him self to be killed. No it was not a "loving" sacrificial death Jesus experienced no it was a BRUTAL death Jesus experienced, the Jews and Romans really BRUTALLY tortued Jesus, Jesus even prayed to God to save him from the situation (matthew 26:39)
even after the crucifixion of Jesus, there was a really vigorous earthquake (matthew 27:45) (matthew 27:51), which indicates God's anger upon the Jews and the Romans
so the most logical think is to see Jesus as a prophet of Almighty God
"this is jesus the prophet of nazareth of galilee" (matthew 21:11)
and (luke 24:19), (matthew 21:46) (matthew 14:5) also mention Jesus as a prophet. It is also the most logical think to perceive Jesus as a prophet, even Islam and Judaism sees Jesus as a prophet.
Christian people always say that Jesus sacrified himself for our sins, but that is not true, because if you look at history and how Jesus was crufied it indicates that Jesus did not die for people's sins.
the concept that Jesus sacrified himself is like saying that Jesus said "here kill me, i sacrifice myself for you guys". But that is not true because Jesus did not hand over himself to the Romans and to the Jews, The Jews and Romans captured Jesus, and wanted to kill him because they thought that was a threat to them and they thought that Jesus performed miracles with black magic that is why the jews and romans wanted to kill Jesus not because Jesus wanted him self to be killed. No it was not a "loving" sacrificial death Jesus experienced no it was a BRUTAL death Jesus experienced, the Jews and Romans really BRUTALLY tortued Jesus, Jesus even prayed to God to save him from the situation (matthew 26:39)
even after the crucifixion of Jesus, there was a really vigorous earthquake (matthew 27:45) (matthew 27:51), which indicates God's anger upon the Jews and the Romans
so the most logical think is to see Jesus as a prophet of Almighty God
Jesus is not God agreed. A prophet, yes. But more importantly he filled Prophesies proving that Isaiah was a Prophet, truly conveying God's message to the masses. Jesus is not a Savior either. God himself is the Savior Isaiah 43:3 and God knows no other Savior, Isaiah 45:8 God Created Salvation Isaiah 44:8
As Isaiah quotes God, God knows people and knew that they would make a Graven Image violating one of the Big 10 and they would bow down to it and pray to it to save them just as they did Baal. Apart from me there is no Savior, Isaiah 43:11
Adam and Eve were created with perfect human health having a sound heart, mind and body capable of living forever on earth.
Like Satan they were drawn out by their own desires - James 1 vs 13-15
Since the un-numbered magi were never at the manger but found Jesus as a child in a house -- Matthew 2 vs 8,9,11,13, 14,16,20,21 - then how could they have seen Jesus in the manger ?
Gospel writer John wrote about Jesus at Revelation 1 v 5; 3 v 14 that Jesus is the beginning of the creation by God.
God had No beginning. Only God was before the beginning.
Jesus then was Not before the beginning as God was before the beginning.
In the beginning, but definitely Not before the beginning.
Who is the ' Lord and Archangel ' at 1st Thessalonians 4 v 16 ?_________
Why stop at the book of Isaiah ?
When Jesus was on earth Jehovah was his Savior - Hebrews 5 v 7; Psalm 28 v 8
The resurrected Jesus can also rightly be called Savior because he is Jehovah's agent. Please see - Titus 1 v 4; 2nd Peter 1 v 11.
Since Jesus means Jehovah is salvation that points to God as the Source of salvation. God's angel says Jesus will ' save '....at Matthew 1 v 21; Luke 1 v 31.
Aren't both the Father and Son spoken of together in connection to salvation ?_____
- Please see Titus 2 vs 11-13; 3 v 6
In order to understand the Word, you must understand how the Jews spoke and wrote then. I am no expert, but I do not start out with a SEEING or "FAITH" first and then seek to prove this by scripture. The Prologue of John has many terps and only one true one, the authorial intent intact.
On the surface what you say might be cohesive, but see where you end up. You end up saying something outside of Bible and this quite plainly, whereas the Bible says nothing of the sort, that Jesus is God, PLAINLY.
So then where do you get off, and is this not a dynamic of heresy, to ADD to scripture as you and your buds see fit? Hey, I'm not a cool kid, but maybe it is better to be on the side of truth?
The Key is that Jesus always said the source of his authority, mediatorship, "saving" and knowing all comes from his own Father. This cannot be a gnostical concept. It is just that Jesus is human and God is God is all.