Jesus and Krishna--Two Peas In A Pod

[River Sea]

Now we even have Hindu temples here in the USA

Yes I see there are Hindu Temples in the USA.

I looks some up in Minnesota and found
Sri Venkateswara (Balaji) Temple | Sri Venkateswara [Balaji] Temple Edina, Minnesota

I'm going to take a look at this website

Languages might shape people.

Ignorance can create a cycle of more ignorance

Or is ignorance used to control people. Because anyone can be taught how to fish. But many depend on others to feed them fish. Was that design to control them?

How does a King remain in power?

But like you said @Brickjectivity , when it gets extremely bad then they get rid of ignorant. What would happen if everybody was educated, would that be any threat to who?

Europe wanted goods from India, such as spices for food. Britain went militarily to India to colonize and profit from that country

@Bharat Jhunjhunwala @Brickjectivity

Krishna left India. If Krishna didn't leave India would that had helped India to prevent the future of Europe and Britain dominated India?

How come Krishna didn't help India but left India for? Did the Pharaoh in India hinder India's future how?

 

[Vinayaka]

I learned a new word the other day ... parallelomania

Parallelomania and parallelophobia - Wikipedia

 

[Bharat Jhunjhunwala]

"Get up," he said, "take the child and his mother and escape to Egypt.

Heard this for the first time. Thanks. Is this generally accepted historically?

 

[Bharat Jhunjhunwala]

If Krishna didn't leave India would that had helped India to prevent the future of Europe and Britain dominated India?

3500 years apart. The decline of india started only at 1000 ce.

 

[Bharat Jhunjhunwala]

is far from clarity. Jesus is real and His story is true.

Real jesus and similarity go togetger

 

[Bharat Jhunjhunwala]

I believe they might as well pick up a rock and chant to it.

Chants change the molecular structure of matter. So u are right.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Heard this for the first time. Thanks. Is this generally accepted historically?

Maybe. In this case Matthew says Jesus fulfills a prediction about leaving Egypt, but what he actually does is to imitate Israel. Matthew frequently points out ways in which Jesus life is analogous to stories about Israel and says he is fulfilling things. In older canon Israel is called God's son by the poets and is called out of Egypt, and Matthew lets us know what is his meaning by directing us to the original quote in Hosea 11:1 which says "When Israel was a child, I loved him, and out of Egypt I called my son...." So Jesus life has many similarities with Israel. That is canon.

 

[River Sea]

3500 years apart. The decline of india started only at 1000 ce.

What caused this decline that started at 1000 ce

Krishna left Indus Valley due to can't get along with Pharaoh, and can't get along with Philistines either, look how no one can get along back when, is that consider a decline too? If people can't get along that's people relationships decline right?

 

[River Sea]

I learned a new word the other day ... parallelomania

Parallelomania and parallelophobia - Wikipedia

Interesting about Parallelomania

I wonder if people who work in detective scenes use parallel to help solve cases, or has parallel ever hindered them from solving a case? How many detectives became maniacs when observing parallel situations, and how did that affect them when not working?

• What about stories from countries that others don't know about?

• What happens when a person only knows one story—are they more functional knowing only one version?

• How did this happen if a person never observed any parallels? Do they only listen to one leader?

Example
The Meena Community believes it has descended from this Manu (that's a local flood), yet people who know the Noah story don't know anything about the story of Vaivaswat Manu. So, if a person knows both stories, will it be easier for that person to parallel stories than those who only know one story (Noah)?

Ok back to Krishna., and Jesus.

However, that is interesting about parallelomania, but then how did Jesus end up with white skin in those paintings? That won't be parallelomania at all; what would that be?

I really still wonder how much influence kings and rulers had over the written word. It's as if they're taking stories and dictating what can and cannot be written.

• What happens to people who know other, lesser-known stories from their country while seeing a white-skinned Jesus painted?

• I'm not sure if there were white people in the area where Jesus walked back then. But then again, wasn't Krishna's skin blue?

• Hey, there's a parallel given the similarities, make sure to have the wrong skin color (blue-white) rather than the correct skin color.

 

[Bharat Jhunjhunwala]

What caused this decline that started at 1000 ce

Sankara taught that the world is unreal and God alone is real. Thus, the people disengaged with the material world leading to decline.

 

[Bharat Jhunjhunwala]

So Jesus life has many similarities with Israel.

Perhaps that would also explain why Jews say they are the ONLY chosen people; and Christians say that ONLY salvation is through Christ. This theological "ONLY" has led to Holocaust, among other many many persecutions that continue today.

 

[River Sea]

In my opinion, there are certain similarities: both are worshipped in groups devoted to them and both are believed to be God incarnate, but past that, I think the similarities are kind of overblown.

What causes similarities not be known by many, and do similarities ever become so different that there's no way archaeologies will ever see any similarities?

What causes some archaeologies be believed compare to other archaeologies never be believed?

Are archaeologies different or same, do they agree or disagree and why, when living in Europe, America, Mexico, India, China, how would living in these areas affect their minds as they're archaeologist, how do they differ and similar understanding land, rivers?

• What blood type was Jesus and Krishna? Can anyone guess what blood type?
• Why was blood so needed in religion for?
• What all did God use blood for and why?

• How come some religions uses the word sleep in reference to death?
• I don't think our spirit sleeps when our physical body dies. I think our spirit soul is wide awake after physical body dies.

• If physical words are needed to help articulate what's going on in spirituality, then why do younger generations believe in things., like blood and sleep as if that really happens in spirituality?

• I don't think sleep blood happens in the spiritual. Because our spirit don't sleep and has no blood association. What are your thoughts on this?

I think we all live forever.

• Is Jesus Krishna our spiritual brother?

• What is the difference from spiritual brother compare to sister in spirituality, or is there no brother sister in spirituality; or using physical words helping us articulate in the spirit world?

• Is there gender in the spirit world or no gender because only personality soul, as our soul is personality as we also have spirit?

• Jesus Krishna male gender in the spirit world or only soul personality while also spirit?

 

[Brickjectivity]

Perhaps that would also explain why Jews say they are the ONLY chosen people; and Christians say that ONLY salvation is through Christ. This theological "ONLY" has led to Holocaust, among other many many persecutions that continue today.

I think the Jews believe only that they were chosen to receive the Torah: which most other people don't seem to want, anyway. They also believe they are separate, but they do not claim to be superior. I think Christians exist within a spectrum, but you don't hear about all the varieties of Christians.

The holocaust was about two ideologies counter-posed. A war group went after a pacifist one.

 

[River Sea]

@Sand Dancer

Not sure what you mean.

Maybe I became philosophical, which is actually a challenge for me to articulate. So let me continue to articulate again, and let me know if this helps with understanding. You wrote

What is important is what we do on earth, not who we worship.

I was thinking about this word, "important," and what we do on earth. But what about those who fail? How can they be helped so they're also doing important things too? I was thinking this through as I wrote.

So those who are contributing to the earth with what they are doing. I was thinking about those people whose actions aren't functional, and I analyzed this: how can they continue their ways so they don't have to give up their ways?

And I remember reading somewhere online that if a person takes the same thing they're doing that's dysfunctional and turns it a little in another direction in another situation, it'll be extremely useful, functional, and contributing then.

I was thinking about them too—those who are dysfunctional and not contributing—as you were writing about what is important: what we do on earth.

So I was thinking, "What about those who do things on earth, but they're not contributing and they're dysfunctional?" Is it that what they do isn't important, or is it that they aren't trained how to use it, so it can still contribute?

If what we do is important, how does one do it so that they can feel the importance of it? Even though you wrote that what is important is what we do versus worship, what exactly is worship? How do people stop worshiping if they find themselves worshiping anything? What is idol worship compared to other types of worship?

I am a philosophical Buddhist

What are the distinctions and parallels between philosophical and archaeological thoughts?

Are there any archeologists with Buddhist minds, is it possible to combine archeologists and philosophers together, or does this ever clash, and how come?

Do Buddhists ever worship, or do they try not to worship, how do they manage never worship, what does that behavior appear like as they do important things?

I like Krishna as a God of love and loyalty.

What is love compared to unconditional love, and what is loyalty—is this subjective or objective?

What happens if one person thinks they're loyal while the other person claims they're not loyal? What happens to the word "loyal" then?

 

[Sand Dancer]

@Sand Dancer

I was thinking about this word, "important," and what we do on earth. But what about those who fail? How can they be helped so they're also doing important things too? I was thinking this through as I wrote.

Important in this case means a better focus. Not important from a power standpoint. Jesus's focus on others, especially the poor, sick and marginalized, makes society here and now a better place. Most of his teachings were for the here and now. Everyone fails, and few constantly fail, but as long as your motive is on helping people now, you will rarely fail.

So those who are contributing to the earth with what they are doing. I was thinking about those people whose actions aren't functional, and I analyzed this: how can they continue their ways so they don't have to give up their ways?

And I remember reading somewhere online that if a person takes the same thing they're doing that's dysfunctional and turns it a little in another direction in another situation, it'll be extremely useful, functional, and contributing then.

Setting matters. In one setting, an action can be harmful or inappropriate, but in another it would be helpful and appropriate. That takes learning and maturity, and normally people will eventually know the difference. Also, the right words and body language go a long way in making something hurtful but necessary into something helpful. Again, it takes maturity and also patience.

I was thinking about them too—those who are dysfunctional and not contributing—as you were writing about what is important: what we do on earth.

So I was thinking, "What about those who do things on earth, but they're not contributing and they're dysfunctional?" Is it that what they do isn't important, or is it that they aren't trained how to use it, so it can still contribute?

Most people can tell when those people can't help the things they do. We offer them grace. Good motives should go a long way in overcoming bad decisions. People just sometimes unknowingly make mistakes.

If what we do is important, how does one do it so that they can feel the importance of it? Even though you wrote that what is important is what we do versus worship, what exactly is worship? How do people stop worshiping if they find themselves worshiping anything? What is idol worship compared to other types of worship?

If we take Jesus's advice, if it is truly good for someone else, we will see the value of it.
Worship isn't bad in itself, but if we worship without helping others, then what good is it if we are to put others first, like Jesus says? The Bible addresses this issue.

Are there any archeologists with Buddhist minds, is it possible to combine archeologists and philosophers together, or does this ever clash, and how come?

Not sure what archeology has to do with it. Please explain.

Do Buddhists ever worship, or do they try not to worship, how do they manage never worship, what does that behavior appear like as they do important things?

There are schools of Buddhism that have gods, or at least they have celestial beings. Buddha did not address cosmology though. He addressed how to go about reducing suffering, whether it is yours or others. You can worship, but the focus is on, like Jesus's, the here and now. It does, however, speak of your current behavior affecting your future after death, i.e., whether or not you will reach enlightenment now or go through future births before you reach it.

What is love compared to unconditional love, and what is loyalty—is this subjective or objective?

Conditional love is subject to what others do, and unconditional love does not. Jesus had unconditional love. Loyalty can be both conditional ot unconditional I guess. Not quite as familiar with the definition of it as I could be, but I guess whether a person thinks they or another person is being loyal depends on what definition they have of the word.

 

[River Sea]

Sankara taught that the world is unreal and God alone is real. Thus, the people disengaged with the material world leading to decline.

That's so sad and people had to suffer because of that. How come people follow this belief system from Sankara., how do anyone get others to follow their belief system, is it due to brain washing, how does one brain wash others? How can a country protect themselves from being brain washed? Is everyone now brain washed or how can we tell if we're brain washed?

How can either believing Jesus or Krishna help people not suffer like what happen when people believed what Sankara taught, or is this another type of brain washing when believing in either Jesus or Krishna, does brain washing ever help a country?

 

[River Sea]

Most people can tell when those people can't help the things they do. We offer them grace. Good motives should go a long way in overcoming bad decisions. People just sometimes unknowingly make mistakes.

Yeah Grace and good motives., I think also purpose helps too., so when people find purpose in their mistakes to use them as they re-direct 'till it's useful.

Not sure what archeology has to do with it. Please explain

I learn from @Bharat Jhunjhunwala the archeology findings, such as the similarities of the 5 prophets, and in this case about Krishna similar to Moses

Archeology findings of Hebrews Yadavas traveling from Indus Valley India to Yisrael and Mount Sinai Taftan volcano in Iran, where Moses went to.

Archeology shows similarities., which I find fascinating.

Conditional love is subject to what others do

I agree with you that people do conditional love.
I do believe God who lives in us is unconditional love.

Jesus had unconditional love

Would you see Jesus as more for dharma and not similar to what Sankara taught, that led India in a decline -

Here's what @Bharat Jhunjhunwala wrote

Sankara taught that the world is unreal and God alone is real. Thus, the people disengaged with the material world leading to decline.

so how would Jesus be more for dharma in indian philosophy and how is dharma in reference about helping the poor., is that re-directing the poor so the poor can do too like what the rich do? With material? so train the poor so can become rich? Or enough money for materials and such?

Is Jesus for dharma and if so can we explore this? What is dharma?

@Sand Dancer wrote:

Jesus's focus on others, especially the poor, sick and marginalized, makes society here and now a better place. Most of his teachings were for the here and now. Everyone fails, and few constantly fail, but as long as your motive is on helping people now, you will rarely fail.

@Sand Dancer you wrote about Buddhism.

There are schools of Buddhism that have gods, or at least they have celestial beings. Buddha did not address cosmology though. He addressed how to go about reducing suffering, whether it is yours or others. You can worship, but the focus is on, like Jesus's, the here and now. It does, however, speak of your current behavior affecting your future after death, i.e., whether or not you will reach enlightenment now or go through future births before you reach it.

I didn't know that some Buddhism has many gods., do Buddhism ever understand about Brahman, YHWH, Allah as the same only one God, or do Buddhism sees YHWH, Allah, Brahman as 3 Gods

When you say about Buddhism having more then one God., how do they chose which God to go to?
What are Celestial beings?

 

[Bharat Jhunjhunwala]

Archeology findings of Hebrews Yadavas traveling from Indus Valley India to Yisrael and Mount Sinai Taftan volcano in Iran, where Moses went to.

That would mean that the theological constructs of Moses and krishna would be same.then we can dialogue and reach at a better common understanding.

 

[SeekingAllTruth]

I started this thread a year and a half ago. I've learned much about Jesus and other gods since then. The OP is woefully out of date. Interesting that it is still being discussed. I will have an updated thread shortly.

 

[River Sea]

That would mean that the theological constructs of Moses and krishna would be same.then we can dialogue and reach at a better common understanding.

@Bharat Jhunjhunwala Can you give examples? How would Moses and Krishna being the same help us reach a better common understanding?