Politesse
Amor Vincit Omnia
I do not think Nachash always had a double meaning? Certainly, it always refers to literal snakes elsewhere in HS. But I am not a Hebrew scholar either.
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Jesus as a name
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ThirtyThree
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Moving back to the topic of the original post:
I tend to respect most Orthodox Jews, purely because, like many Muslims, they not only read through their holy books in fullness, they actually study them as well. The majority of Christians just give lip service, doing no research into the details of their own religion. Orthodox Jews and many Muslims learn the language their holy books are written in. Christians? Well, let me just make it clear it is rare when I meet a Christian who can read Hebrew.
So, why do so many Christians inform me regarding the "power" of a bastardized name for a man? Then, I find no "power" presented by the name "Yeshua" either. Still, why do they not call their lord the English variant, Joshua?
I tend to respect most Orthodox Jews, purely because, like many Muslims, they not only read through their holy books in fullness, they actually study them as well. The majority of Christians just give lip service, doing no research into the details of their own religion. Orthodox Jews and many Muslims learn the language their holy books are written in. Christians? Well, let me just make it clear it is rare when I meet a Christian who can read Hebrew.
So, why do so many Christians inform me regarding the "power" of a bastardized name for a man? Then, I find no "power" presented by the name "Yeshua" either. Still, why do they not call their lord the English variant, Joshua?
ThirtyThree
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Like us Exodus, chapter 4, verse 3? And Exodus, chapter 7, verse 10, where Moses was told and did throw down his rod and it became a Nachash?
Actually, that is not accurate at all. When Yahweh told Moses to cast down his rod, the word used to represent "and it became a serpent" was "Nachash". However, when Moses threw down his rod before Pharaoh, "and it became a serpent", the word used was "tanniyn", which is, "תַּנִּין", which is not the same as "Nachash", which is, "נָחָשׁ". Bizarre, right?
Politesse
Amor Vincit Omnia
Well I do support Scriptural study, you'll get no argument from me there. But I also don't think this Jesus name thing is the biggest issue to worry about. When they talk about doing things in Jesus' name, they don't mean in it in a magic spell sort of way where you have to say it right or it doesn't work. We call Jesus by a great many names, after all. Christ being a quite common one and the name of the sect.
ThirtyThree
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This still begs the question though, why do the Christians even believe Yeshua is the messiah? Was his name not to be Emmanuel?
As for them using the name "Jesus", some of them claim use of the name can exorcise demons or bind familiar spirits. This is where the name surely matters?
What's really strange is whilst everyone goes on about it being a transliteration; find it remarkable that Druidism which stemmed across Europe, has one of its deities H/Esus, which is part of a trinity.
When Catholic means universal; how far have they gone to make one universal religion, that adapts other ideologies to make it acceptable to the masses.
Jesus is just the English name that got popular. If He was known by another name someone would wonder why He is not called 'Jesus'. The name is not important.
ThirtyThree
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The name is rather important when Christians claim this being is someone every man will bend his knee to and proclaim as lord.
I don't get it. The name we use doesn't change His reality.
ThirtyThree
Well-Known Member
Why was he never called Emmanuel, if he is the messiah?
Politesse
Amor Vincit Omnia
I think there are more people who call Jesus Yeshua than there are people who go around trying to bind familiar spirits... In any case, from a Christian perspective it is Christ's authority, not the literal syllables of his name, that are important.
ThirtyThree
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... Would you care to inform me as to why Christians even believe the one they call Jesus is the messiah? His name in Scripture was to be Emmanuel, not Yeshua. Right?
ThirtyThree
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In both my theological and scriptural standpoint, Jesus was a Prophet of God, and never claimed divinity.
He is the Messiah, translated Christ.
Being a prophet of Yahweh or Allah makes on a messiah?
Jabar
“Strive always to excel in virtue and truth.”
Yes, he was not divine at all, he was in fact saving people by spreading the message of Allah.
He was a Prophet for particular time period and particular group of people.
ThirtyThree
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Yes, he was not divine at all, he was in fact saving people by spreading the message of Allah.
You consider Yeshua the liberator of a group of people then, correct?
Jabar
“Strive always to excel in virtue and truth.”
ThirtyThree
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Yes.
What do you believe Yeshua liberated them from?
Jabar
“Strive always to excel in virtue and truth.”
From Hell-fire by following the Commandments of the One True God and from world suffering as well.
ThirtyThree
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Explain "Hellfire" to me.From Hell-fire by following the Commandments of the One True God and from world suffering as well.