Jesus did not die on the Cross

[Desert Snake]

Did anyone notice the corruption made by the Church in Book of Jonah?:

Jonah - Chapter 2:1-3
1. And the Lord appointed a huge fish to swallow up Jonah, and Jonah was in the belly of the fish for three days and three nights.
2. And Jonah prayed to the Lord his God, from the belly of the fish. 3. And he said: I called out from my distress to the Lord, and He answered me; from the belly of the grave I cried out, You heard my voice.
3. And he said: I called out from my distress to the Lord, and He answered me; from the belly of the grave I cried out, You heard my voice.

Yonah - Chapter 2 - Tanakh Online - Torah - Bible

Book of Jonah mention that Jonah was in the belly of the fish for three days and three nights; and the NT Bible courtesy the Church have corrupted it and changed it to three days and nights; without repeating three with nights; because Jesus did not spend full three days and full three nights in the Tomb; and Bible followers face difficulty in accounting for the period.

Reference post # 115

Regards

Lol it means the same thing.

 

[paarsurrey]

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First Argument(from post # 109)

It is for this that some Christian denomination don't believe that Jesus was put on the Cross on Friday evening because that does not fulfill the requirement of three days and three days.

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

What part about the body being removed and buried do you have a problem with?

Second Argument (from post # 153)

Jesus neither died nor buried.

Regards

 

[Nada]

Second Argument (from post # 153)

Jesus neither died nor buried.

Regards

Jesus did die,and he was resurrected.Jesus was placed in a tomb.

 

[paarsurrey]

Jesus did die,and he was resurrected.Jesus was placed in a tomb.

Then:

1.Jesus did not fulfill Sign of Jonah. Please read the argument from post # 109.
2.Jesus prayers in the Garden were not heard.Please read the argument from post # 153.

We are still discussing the above arguments; while writing a post please quote which argument you are commenting on for clarity of the viewers please.

Regards

 

[outhouse]

You dont have a clue what your talking about, and should not post things you know nothing about.

Every credible historian disagrees with you.

His prayers do not have to be heard
signs of Jonah do not matter.


Historians do not falsely read the text like you

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

I believe this is a mis-interpretation. The appearance of the person was not different but the appearance of death which can only describe what the body did and not what the Spirit did.

I beleive that is the root of the problem that people misinterpret the verse then come up with wild speculations to explain their misinterpretation.

I believe this happens all the time, the crucifixion of God. Just read some of the posts on here about how God is to blame for all the evils in the world.

I believe it is a good metaphor for what happens on the cross. God is justified in all that He does since there is no judge above Him and He decides what is good and evil.

I beleive it is the word of God and when understood correctly is consistent with the Bible.

I don't believe so. Although Jesus did not die, Jesus ended up dead because the body died after the Spirit of God left the body on the cross.

It seems that the brother was unable to understand the concept
I am not denying the crucifixion of Christ
And also theological interpretations laatdkhl
But I discuss the Quran only
The idea of switching people to someone else's idea is illogical
If it is God who did this
Here's the problem I wish to absorb the idea
And also the Quran contradicts himself
When in any other that Christ died
Woaida nasal call of the Quran that Jesus was crucified
From the evidence of the four tmtkodimha in my posts
These are the Jews and the Romans and the pupils and contemporary historians for an event a few period of time
Therefore I am laanaksh theological interpretation and difference
I wish to discuss is recognized in this direction
If satisfied by kardet valid for the dialogue of the mind

 

[paarsurrey]

1.Jesus did not fulfill Sign of Jonah. Please read the argument from post # 109.
2.Jesus prayers in the Garden were not heard.Please read the argument from post # 153.

We are still discussing the above arguments; while writing a post please quote which argument you are commenting on for clarity of the viewers please.

Regards

I give the third argument from the Christian scripture.

Jesus' words right on the Cross

Matthew 27:46

[46] And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying: Eli, Eli, lamma sabacthani? that is, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible, Gospel According to Saint Matthew Chapter 27

This clearly shows that G-d had promised him that Jesus would be saved his life on the Cross and he was surprised as to why G-d’s help had not yet come of which he was so sure.

G-d’s help did come after when he was delivered from the cross in near-dead positions but very much alive.

http://www.alislam.org/library/books/Jesus-in-India.pdf

The creed that "Jesus died a cursed death on the Cross" is a fabrication of Paul , the Church and their associates and has got nothing to do with Jesus and his teachings.

Regards

 

[outhouse]

The creed that "Jesus died a cursed death on the Cross" is a fabrication of Paul ,

Stop posting ridiculous replies with no credibility.

provide credible sources, not biased garbage

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

You dont have a clue what your talking about, and should not post things you know nothing about.

Every credible historian disagrees with you.

His prayers do not have to be heard
signs of Jonah do not matter.


Historians do not falsely read the text like you

Each side has made
These are called internal or intrinsic evidence each party uses in establishing its argument
Therefore cannot be judged
The credibility of any argument
But
Governance requires use of
External evidence
Each party therefore also offers internal argument
The texts written by
And any external evidence
And then the judgement
Here the judge also used other means of proof
Like mind
In the law say about legal evidence
Are you with me in this direction

 

[outhouse]

You dont have a clue what your talking about, and should not post things you know nothing about.

Every credible historian disagrees with you.

His prayers do not have to be heard
signs of Jonah do not matter.


Historians do not falsely read the text like you

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

You dont have a clue what your talking about, and should not post things you know nothing about.

Every credible historian disagrees with you.

His prayers do not have to be heard
signs of Jonah do not matter.


Historians do not falsely read the text like you

You dont have a clue what your talking about, and should not post things you know nothing about.

Every credible historian disagrees with you.

His prayers do not have to be heard
signs of Jonah do not matter.


Historians do not falsely read the text like yo
I want to understand
Your objection is all history
So, does not believe in what is written therein

 

[Redemptionsong]

outhouse,
I wait to hear the points you claim are contradictions in the New Testament.
It's easy to criticise and ridicule others. it's harder to provide the rational justification for your beliefs.

paarsurrey, You continue to repeat the same things, without showing any sign of having listened to the responses given. In a previous posting I explained that the sign of Jonah was important because it was alluded to by Jesus himself. In the story of Jonah there is clear evidence that Jonah did die when he was in the belly of the whale. This is because of the meaning attached to the Hebrew SHEOL. Look it up and check it out. 'out of the belly of hell (SHEOL) cried I [Jonah]' (Jonah 2:1)
Unlike Biblestudent, I do believe that Jesus was in the grave for three days and nights, and I believe it is possible to show that this was the case by a careful study of the Gospels.

 

[outhouse]

outhouse,
I wait to hear the points you claim are contradictions in the New Testament.


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Please take a class or read a few books from credible scholars and catch up please.

It's easy to criticise and ridicule others. it's harder to provide the rational justification for your beliefs.

It is easy when one has a higher education level on the topic at hand.


The only thing that is hard, is getting over theistic bias and closed minds that will not accept credible evidence.

 

[Nakosis]

Jesus did not die on the Cross. This is a fact which did happen in real life and Quran does not claim that it is first to claim it.

Does it?

Your thoughts please; anybody believing in a religion or no religion.

Regards

I would have to ask, where is the verifiable evidence for this.

 

[Redemptionsong]

outhouse, you are clearly of a higher educational level than me, and probably all the rest of us mortals here. Now that you feel better, and elevated above the rest of us, maybe you'd like to stop procrastinating and start detailing the contradictions that you say are so clearly evident in the New Testament.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Every credible historian disagrees with you.

:biglaugh:

 

[outhouse]

outhouse, you are clearly of a higher educational level than me, and probably all the rest of us mortals here. Now that you feel better, and elevated above the rest of us, maybe you'd like to stop procrastinating and start detailing the contradictions that you say are so clearly evident in the New Testament.

There are to many to list, and its derailing this debacle of a thread.


So do you think it is wrong that different people far removed from jesus life would write different legends about him?

 

[outhouse]

:biglaugh:

That was actually my quote, but he didn't understand how to use the quote feature correctly.

 

[outhouse]

outhouse, .

If you would like I could introduce you to Yales online studies of the NT, and you could hear lectures from Dale B Martin.