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In the original greek manuscipts the word used was FRUIT OF THE VINE. The translators changed it to wine. That is why there is an issue. The Romans drank so Paul and his followers altered some of the teachings to get the Gentiles to accept the doctrine they were preaching. The bible says it is o.k to drink then it says it is not O.K. If we were to follow the bible in terms of what is allowable and what is not. A person can get quite confused on what is the law according to the Bible in regards to alcohol consumption.Merlin said:Why do some Christian groups ban drinking wine, even to celebrate the last supper? If wine was good enough for Jesus, why should we settle for fruit juice?
I think you must be fair. I am unconcerned with what you say the Bible says. There are actually Christian belief traditions that interpret the Bible in a different way. You will not know until the moment you die whether you are right or you are wrong. You choose to believe the interpretation you have been given, when it is clearly nonsense.dan said:Well, Merlin seems to be utterly unconcerned with what the Bible actually says. He prefers to draw inferences from what he was pretty sure it said. No need to actually check or verify.
Some references to wine and drunkennessdan said:Well, Merlin seems to be utterly unconcerned with what the Bible actually says. He prefers to draw inferences from what he was pretty sure it said. No need to actually check or verify.
Aqualung said:One of dan's first posts stated that only about half of the words that translate to "wine" are alcoholic. Notice how the only time it speaks of getting drunk it is a bad thing. Maybe the only times it says it's okay to drink wine is when the word for "wine" is non alcoholic.
For some reason this fact has gone ignored through the entire thread while proponents of alcohol continue to chant their litany that Jesus drank wine.Aqualung said:One of dan's first posts stated that only about half of the words that translate to "wine" are alcoholic. Notice how the only time it speaks of getting drunk it is a bad thing. Maybe the only times it says it's okay to drink wine is when the word for "wine" is non alcoholic.
I would guess your first language is not English, so maybe you do not know that it is an expression not a literal meaning.Mujahid Mohammed said:In the original greek manuscipts the word used was FRUIT OF THE VINE. The translators changed it to wine.
consumption.
Not a worthy comment from an honourable man. Nobody is promoting alcohol. We are discussing historical events.dan said:while proponents of alcohol continue to chant their litany
Fruit of the vine in english is figurative. But if literally translated "fruit of the vine" into another language, it woundn't carry the same figurative meaning. Just in the same way, if it literally said "fruit of the vine" in the original language, that doesn't necessarily mean it carries the same figurative meaning across languages.Merlin said:I would guess your first language is not English, so maybe you do not know that it is an expression not a literal meaning.
But equally, it mightAqualung said:Fruit of the vine in english is figurative. But if literally translated "fruit of the vine" into another language, it woundn't carry the same figurative meaning. Just in the same way, if it literally said "fruit of the vine" in the original language, that doesn't necessarily mean it carries the same figurative meaning across languages.
precisely, it's symbolic. drinking or not drinking alcohol is a personal choice.CaptainXeroid said:Since the purpose of communion is to remember Jesus' sacrifice, the drink we choose to symbolize the Last Supper really isn't relevant is it?
This is more or less full circle. My original contention was that, even those who do not like alcohol, cannot object to half a thimbleful of weak communion wine. And, if it was good enough for Jesus to ask us to drink wine in remembrance of him, it is good enough for me.WillieHutch said:precisely, it's symbolic. drinking or not drinking alcohol is a personal choice.
Yes, yes he did. Now where is the issue?Jesus drank alcohol
Did you miss the entire thread?Malus01 said:Yes, yes he did. Now where is the issue?
I did see what people are suggesting, yes.Did you miss the entire thread?
Aqualung said:Okay.
1) Sure, they drank alcohol. But what was the alcohol content of that wine they drank, and what was their tolerance to alcohol?
2) How drunk were they? How do you know they were drunk?
3) Old wine is better. Okay. I'll go with you on that one.
4) It's not viod. People might have drank water, but they probably had to boil it, and they were probably less healthy anyway.
5) Once again, the only people who accused Jesus of being a drunkard were those who wanted to discredit him. Baseless accusation made to colour him in a bad light.
6) Of course you can get drunk. But how easy was it? How much did you have to drink?