Jesus false prophet

[Bishka]

Hebrew - Yahshua
English - Joshua
Greek - Jesus

Jesus is the Moshiach that has already come into the world.

According to LDS/Christian theology, remember FFH, the Jews do not believe this.

 

[jewscout]

Hi, for Jewscout I would simply ask other then yourself can you show me by Scripture anyone that has ever CHOSE to follow?

Abraham
Sarah
Rebeccah
Rachel
Leah
Ruth
Jethro

Reality in the scriptures where is Israel?

Israel has been dispersed and lost
only Judah and some Levi and Kohen's survive, but some would say that we are now finding some of the "Lost Tribes". Take that how you will.

For the Rabbi that says they are here then which are not Jews?

do not try to have a discussion about your "Rabbi" when halachically he is guilty of professing Idolitry and call it Judaism.:tsk:

until i see the Beit HaMikdash standing on the Temple Mount i will not believe anyone to be Moshiach.

 

[Nehustan]

Israel has been dispersed and lost
only Judah and some Levi and Kohen's survive, but some would say that we are now finding some of the "Lost Tribes". Take that how you will.

LOL, I just said 'Zabulon' (in the David Red Hair thread) and then you post this. Just so long as nobody comes here and tries to 'find us'. I've had my fill of Israeli's and 'lobby' this decade.

 

[wmam]

Personally I have no time for him, as he implied the 'personage' of the messiah was a false prophet (tho' he may try and wriggle out of that that is clearly what he implied).

I believe that this is your misunderstanding of what was actually meant.

You however I have some time for as you obviously know the name Yahshua, which has been shown to me as Jeheshuah/Ya'shua(h) (IHShVH) which has a clear semiotic meaning. It can not be coincedence you know this name I would be interested in knowing a.) where did you come across this name and b.) if it was taught was it by a man or by the spirit.

a.) I didn't. It found me. b.) The set-apart Spirit

Oh and if you want to delineate its meaning here that'd be great...it will save me from pasting a diagram in yet another thread.

I would rather just give a great source for all to see rather than give my bits and pieces that I am sure many wouldn't comprehend. This that I give is a very exhaustive understanding on the True name of Yahshua ha Mashiach ben Dawid brought to a single page.

http://nccicharlotte.com/nameofsalvation.htm

Pro 4:7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.

 

[gnostic]

Jesus was Hebrew. He spoke Aramaic, but, as a Rabbi, who read the Law in synagogue, he would have known how to speak Hebrew. Again, so what?

The earliest extant texts we have for the NT are written in Greek. Again, so what?

Maybe in Acts, Paul was speaking to the Roman in Latin (which the Roman would quite possibly have been speaking.) Just because the textual account was written in Greek doesn't mean that the characters of the story were speaking Greek. So what?

Actually the Romans, were those cultured Romans, were often bilinguists, if not poly-linguists. For centuries, Romans learned Greek as well as their native Latin.

But I agreed with your point. Just because many were speaking Aramaic at Jesus' time, it doesn't mean that the whole Judaeans or Israelites have forgotten to speak and write in Hebrew.

As I recall, Paul spoke several languages, which included Greek and Latin. People should remember that people who need to travel to other kingdoms, must learn to speak the language. Much of the eastern Roman empire spoke Greek or the dialect Koine, in order to communicate with the former Hellenistic kingdoms.

 

[wmam]

Alexander heres a point I think you should know, G-d understands ALL languages!

Yes this be true, but, The Mashiach chose to speak in Hebrew.........

Act 26:14 And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

As well as searching out the Scriptures, I have found that the word Hebrew was used a total of 26 times in the KJV and Aramaic - 0.

 

[Popeyesays]

Yes this be true, but, The Mashiach chose to speak in Hebrew.........

Act 26:14 And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

As well as searching out the Scriptures, I have found that the word Hebrew was used a total of 26 times in the KJV and Aramaic - 0.

Well, Saul of Tarsus was a speaker of Greek, but he was also a priest of Judaism, how could he be unfluent in Hebrew?

Hebrew was a classical language spoken only by the very educated. Aramaic was the current dialectic of the same language.

How much resemblance does the Hebrew of modern-day Israel match Classical Hebrew? Not very well. But Rabbis and the educated can understand Classical Hebrew just like modern-day Jesuits are educated in Latin and Greek, even though they might not speak it much outside of the classroom.

And this of course, side-steps the issue as to the fact that it was a VISION not a physical appearance and a VISION occurs inside one's own head. Why would it choose to speak in an unexpected language?

Regards,
Scott

Regards,
Scott

 

[Jyothi]

in india jesus is called YESHU or Mishiha in the south - the southern christianity came from syria originally.

in north india jesus is called isah misiha. isah in sanskrit means god.

 

[alexander garcia]

Hi, for Jewscout and then I'll look at the others on this page, You give mames no scripture why? Was Abraham called or did he go out of Ur looking? As to your second point if Israel is lost then how can the scriptures be forfilled? For is not ALL of Israel to be saved? And I use it in a phyical sence as does the scriptures. They can not be saved from distruction if they are not at home. Or are you to prove that Judah has some how fixed his brothers and as we are speaking of brothers where is Benjamin? And as far as seeing it really is not believing!

 

[alexander garcia]

Hi, to all the difference is in the truth that the scriptures state. That there is only ONE NAME. Does it matter who you call? In my belief YES! is Jesus Yahshua Messiyah No! Jesus is Greek. Yahshua is the Almighty! And I believe that soon He will return!

 

[jewscout]

Hi, for Jewscout and then I'll look at the others on this page, You give mames no scripture why? Was Abraham called or did he go out of Ur looking?

this is tradition held in the Midrash, not found in the Torah
but then as someone who seems to question the validity of the Talmud i wonder if you sit in the dark on Shabbat and eat cold foods?

As to your second point if Israel is lost then how can the scriptures be forfilled? For is not ALL of Israel to be saved? And I use it in a phyical sence as does the scriptures. They can not be saved from distruction if they are not at home. Or are you to prove that Judah has some how fixed his brothers and as we are speaking of brothers where is Benjamin?

umm that's why they are called "Ten Lost Tribes"
some are claiming to have found certain lost tribes in Africa and Asia and they may very well be
But for the complete end of the Exile we wait for Moshiach who has not come yet.

 

[jewscout]

Hi, to all the difference is in the truth that the scriptures state. That there is only ONE NAME. Does it matter who you call? In my belief YES! is Jesus Yahshua Messiyah No! Jesus is Greek. Yahshua is the Almighty! And I believe that soon He will return!

i think this speaks volumes as to why i will no longer engage in this thread

 

[FFH]

Jesus was fluent in Hebrew. This is evident when he stood up to read, in the synagogue, on the sabbath day, from the book of the prophet Esaias (Isaiah).

LUKE
CHAPTER 4

16- And he came to And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was,he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

17- And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias (Isaiah). And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,

18- The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

19- To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

20- And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.

21- And he began to say unto them, This day is the scripture fulfilled in your ears.

Here is a link to this full scripture in context: Luke chapter 4

 

[FFH]

Isaiah 61: 1-3

1- The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me, because the Lord hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;

2- To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD and the day of vengeance of our God, to comfort all that mourn.

3- To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified.

 

[wmam]

Well, Saul of Tarsus was a speaker of Greek, but he was also a priest of Judaism, how could he be unfluent in Hebrew?

Where did I ever state that he didn't understand Hebrew? My point was the fact that Yahshua chose Hebrew when speaking to Saul. No where does it state that He spoke any other language that I can find.

Hebrew was a classical language spoken only by the very educated. Aramaic was the current dialectic of the same language.

I'm sure you have some sort of secular source that you get this from for I find it no where in the Scripture.

How much resemblance does the Hebrew of modern-day Israel match Classical Hebrew? Not very well. But Rabbis and the educated can understand Classical Hebrew just like modern-day Jesuits are educated in Latin and Greek, even though they might not speak it much outside of the classroom.

Again.......... Not Scriptural that I can find. I will state that one would think that some would use some Aramaic mixed in with the Hebrew back then as there are words mixed in with English that came from many different languages. That is just a thought and is in no way meant to be fact other than just a thought. We can sit and speak of all the secular info in the world and all our own thoughts and beliefs and dreams for that matter but it still doesn't excuse the fact that He chose to speak in Hebrew as it is written.

And this of course, side-steps the issue as to the fact that it was a VISION not a physical appearance and a VISION occurs inside one's own head. Why would it choose to speak in an unexpected language?

There are many places through out the entire Scriptures that messengers used dreams and visions to reveal things. Now your debating the tactic in which was chosen by the One that chose it. lol...... Maybe you don't think that YAH could make you understand Hebrew if He so chose to do so huh?

 

[FFH]

Fact Jesus is not a transliteration of the Hebrew name Yahshua. Fact Acts 26:14 states the vioce that spoke to Saul (NOT PAUL) spoke in the Hebrew tongue. Is Jesus Hebrew or Greek? And it is Iesous ( MY ZEUS). Again for the wise men that say scripture as far as the New Testament, was writen in Greek or Aramic, the fools can't make up the minds of which as science they keep changing their story. But agian scripture proves them wrong. Acts 21:37, the Roman asked Saul if he could speek Greek? Pretty stupid to say that if he was speaking Greek as the wise HAHAHA men state. I am sorry if I offend any but the truth hurts.

Wow, I have been reading this post over and over, and I am have finally figured out where you were coming from. Great post !!! I will give you frubals for it !!!, and I will address this issue as soon as I get some things together. I definitely want to get into this a bit deeper, from a Christian perspective. I think what I have to bring to the table, will shed a different light on this subject, as to why Jesus Christ, who was obviously a Hebrew by lineage, and upbringing, would choose to be addressed, throughout history, using a Greek name. Let me get some things together.

 

[alexander garcia]

Hi, I was reading this last Thread and would have to state that first as the scripture states they all saw a bright shinning light. Saul hear the voice speak in Hebrew the others heard it thunder. Saul was blinded. This is all physical. The difference is that names are different in Greek from Hebrew.

 

[alexander garcia]

Hi, Why would Yahshua be known for so long by so many as Jesus? Yahshua stated that many would come in His name saying they are He. It is a forfilment of prophesy.

 

[alexander garcia]

Hi FFH thank you for your words it is very easy to see and easier to miss.

 

[FFH]

Hi, I was reading this last Thread and would have to state that first as the scripture states they all saw a bright shinning light. Saul hear the voice speak in Hebrew the others heard it thunder. Saul was blinded. This is all physical. The difference is that names are different in Greek from Hebrew.

I understand where you are coming from COMPLETELY. Jesus is not a literal translation from the Hebrew name Yahshua, or Joshua, as we say in English. It is totally a Greek name, and I totally agree with you on that now. You have brought up such a great point.

Saul and Jesus would have spoken both Hebrew and Greek, as was common of those that lived in Jerusalem and the surrounding areas, as a result of the Roman occupation in that area, and the obvious presence of so many Israelites in that area. It was necessary to know at least the basics of the Greek and Hebrew language, no matter what descent you were from, in order to communicate with the Romans and the Israelis, which would have made up the majority of the population. But this really has nothing to do with what I am thinking of at the moment.

Why did Yahshua choose to be called by a Greek name throughout history, and throughout the world. If Jesus had gone by the name Yahshua, why did the KJV not translate this Hebrew name Yahshua into the English equivalent, Joshua ??? Why did Jesus use the Greek name Iesous while on earth ??? Why has Jesus Christ insisted on keeping the name Iesous and not Yahshua ???? These are all extremely good things to ponder. It is worthy of a great discussion, and I think most of us missed your point, Alexander, and I am sorry for that. I cannot think of a more pertinent, or more important topic, that needs to be addressed. This is an extremely legitimate question, and I can appreciate your opening post much better now, after having read it over several times. This is a subject that I have pondered much about, in the past, but have pushed it into the inner most parts of my brain, until now.

I have some thoughts on this subject, I just need to get them together.

Okay, here goes. I am confident this will explain why "Yahshua ya Moshiach", or it's equivalent in English, "Joshua the Messiah", chose to be referred to as, "Jesus the Christ", to all the world, and not, "Yahshua ya Moshiach". He is both, however, to the Gentiles he wants to be referred to as "Jesus the Christ", and to the Jews he wants to be referred to as "Yahshua ya Moshiach". This is what is in my heart . I believe that Yahshua (Jesus) would want me to say this.