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Jesus' Four Failed Prophecies About Him Returning In The Lifetimes Of His Apostles

Yahcubs777

Active Member
What do you mean by that, the prophecies have not failed, the false teachers interpretations of them have?

What i mean is, that the Prophets that GOD sent Prophesied only of one Man, who will finish the job. And that Man was called: The Son of Man. And no, i don't mean Jesus His Pre-Eminence. Jesus His Pre-Eminence is GOD. HE spoke of the one HE will send to finish the job. And HE called him the Son of Man.

So what I am saying is, the false preachers have preached for 2 millenia, that they received the holy Spirit and they were born again. So they don't need to seek the kingdom, they kingdom is within them. So now all they have to do is live with high moral standards, go to church, pay their tithes, and seed offerings, and believe that Jesus His Pre-Eminence is the Son of GOD. And this teaching is what exposes them as the false.

The reason is, because the interpretation that they gave to that "spirit of truth" and how they neglected the teachings of Jesus His Pre-Eminence, but ate the teachings of saul paul, is why they were even able to deceive the people at all. Its all about faith with them which is invisible, intangible, just believe and its yours. That is not the Gospel of the kingdom. They even called themselves equals with Jesus His Pre-Eminence in the kingdom. LIES! These are the lies of the false preachers in the earth.

So the issue has been the mindset that the christians have which was given to themby the false preachers. And these wolves, could not understand what the Prophecies are saying. For example, they have come up with this idea of a rapture, because they haven't understood transfiguration.They tried to link Jesus His Pre-Eminence with the Prophecies of Isaiah, but the Jews knew the book of Isaiah, and that it didnt agree. The one Isaiah Prophesied of, is the same Son of Man that Jesus His Pre-Eminence spoke of. So the jews were not fooled as the Christians were.

Put simply, what proved who the false teachers are, are their messages. They claimed they hear from GOD directly, and then teach the people what they heard. So they may answer to pastor, or priest, or bishop, or deacon, or minister but they are all claiming to be Prophets. Because it is Prophets only, that can hear from GOD inaudibly. So their teachings expose them. They have no fear of GOD to do it in the first place. Only the Son of Man, Elijah, the 7th Angel of the Church Revelation 3, is he who GOD said HE would send. Everyone else is false.
 
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samtonga43

Well-Known Member
Maybe the Holy Spirit, I'm not sure. What I am referring to is the perceived 2nd Coming of Jesus at the end of the tribulation--the one that's in all the prophecy books being written today to make a quick buck ala Tim LaHaye. this kind of stuff:
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See? We're in the 7 years of plenty according to this guy. He's right about one thing: there's plenty of Coronavirus.

Your problem, SAT, is that you read too many dodgy books.
 

SeekingAllTruth

Well-Known Member
Yeah he is very wrong. In the bible, it is written that the 7th Angel of the 7th Church, an Elijah will restore all things, will finish the mystery, and will turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and turn the hearts of the children to their fathers. (Malachi 4:5-6, Revelation 10:7, Matthew 17:10-13, Acts 3:19-23), and he was called the Son of Man, the Spirit of truth, the comforter, which is the Prophet that GOD said by HIS Prophets, that HE will raise up a Prophet, like unto Moses, him shall ye hear all that he speaks. Compare that to: John 16:12-13

12I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. 13Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

They said (preachers) that Malachi was fulfiled in John the Baptist. If so, then who are the fathers? And when was everything restored? It is written that there must be a falling away first before the end comes. So how was it fulfiled?

They said that The Comforter is the Most Holy Spirit of GOD (they called HIM the Holy Spirit), but it is revealed that it is a Prophet, the Son of Man, the 7th Angel of the Church, an Elijah, the comforter, the Spirit of truth. If it was the Most Holy Spirit spoken of here, then why is there are 7th Angel that still will finish the mystery?

The Prophecies have not failed, the false teachers interpretations of them have.
Ye shall know them by their fruits.

Well then, why is God allowing all these false teachers to lead his people astray? Why doesn't he make pronouncements of judgments on them like he did back in the OT? Why doesn't God do something about it????????:mad:
 

Yahcubs777

Active Member
Well then, why is God allowing all these false teachers to lead his people astray? Why doesn't he make pronouncements of judgments on them like he did back in the OT? Why doesn't God do something about it????????:mad:

HE did something about it, HE concealed HIS Word from them so that they couldn't poach it. So when HIS sent one comes, it is he that will have the Revelations of everything from start to finish, from before the fall of Man, to after the second resurrection - he will finish the mystery. And all of these false teachers were judged already. They will all get what they deserve. That is Justice.

The reason those judgements came in the OT, is because they came by the mouth of the Prophets. When The son of Man comes, his judgements will be the same as they were in the OT. And the Son of Man, Elijah, will also judge and bring down babylon.
 

SeekingAllTruth

Well-Known Member
Or maybe they are Biblical literalists.
Who knows?
There is a solution; on't read them.

That's true. As a deist I don't. But the problem is there are millions of Christians who do buy and read them and they absorb all this stuff and then argue for it on websites like this. Once again, Paul admonishes, "Be of one mind" and yet there is nothing but confusion in the Christian community when it comes to Jesus' 2nd coming.
 

SeekingAllTruth

Well-Known Member
HE did something about it, HE concealed HIS Word from them so that they couldn't poach it. So when HIS sent one comes, it is he that will have the Revelations of everything from start to finish, from before the fall of Man, to after the second resurrection - he will finish the mystery. And all of these false teachers were judged already. They will all get what they deserve. That is Justice.

The reason those judgements came in the OT, is because they came by the mouth of the Prophets. When The son of Man comes, his judgements will be the same as they were in the OT. And the Son of Man, Elijah, will also judge and bring down babylon.

Well, okay. These are your beliefs based on faith and I respect that.
 

samtonga43

Well-Known Member
That's true. As a deist I don't. But the problem is there are millions of Christians who do buy and read them and they absorb all this stuff and then argue for it on websites like this. Once again, Paul admonishes, "Be of one mind" and yet there is nothing but confusion in the Christian community when it comes to Jesus' 2nd coming.

Why does this bother you so much?
 

SeekingAllTruth

Well-Known Member
He did let them do what they wanted to do.
No, he didn't. He brought curse after curse upon them. Why doesn't he do that today? Why isn't there some modern day prophet up on a hilltop named Bevis the Baptist screaming, "Woe unto you, people of America--sinners and hypocrites! Repent or the Lord will visit fire and brimstone on you yet 30 days from now. The clock is ticking."
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
What i mean is, that the Prophets that GOD sent Prophesied only of one Man, who will finish the job. And that Man was called: The Son of Man. And no, i don't mean Jesus His Pre-Eminence. Jesus His Pre-Eminence is GOD. HE spoke of the one HE will send to finish the job. And HE called him the Son of Man.
I fully agree that all of what you noted above is what the Prophets prophesized.
So what I am saying is, the false preachers have preached for 2 millenia, that they received the holy Spirit and they were born again. So they don't need to seek the kingdom, they kingdom is within them. So now all they have to do is live with high moral standards, go to church, pay their tithes, and seed offerings, and believe that Jesus His Pre-Eminence is the Son of GOD. And this teaching is what exposes them as the false.
I fully agree that all of what you noted above is a false teaching of Christianity.
The reason is, because the interpretation that they gave to that "spirit of truth" and how they neglected the teachings of Jesus His Pre-Eminence, but ate the teachings of saul paul, is why they were even able to deceive the people at all. Its all about faith with them which is invisible, intangible, just believe and its yours. That is not the Gospel of the kingdom. They even called themselves equals with Jesus His Pre-Eminence in the kingdom. LIES! These are the lies of the false preachers in the earth.
I fully agree that the reason for the false teachings is because of the interpretation they gave to the "spirit of truth" and that they neglected the real teachings of Jesus. In other words, Christians have misinterpreted the New Testament from the very beginning, believing that the Spirit of Truth is the Holy Spirit that lives inside of them, and that has led to false beliefs.

No Christian is equal to Jesus, as Jesus was a Manifestation of God, another order of creation above an ordinary man. Jesus had a twofold nature; the physical, pertaining to the world of matter, and the spiritual, which was born of the substance of God Himself. He was the Voice of God but also a Messenger of God and in His human station Jesus was a Servant of God.
So the issue has been the mindset that the christians have which was given to themby the false preachers. And these wolves, could not understand what the Prophecies are saying. For example, they have come up with this idea of a rapture, because they haven't understood transfiguration.They tried to link Jesus His Pre-Eminence with the Prophecies of Isaiah, but the Jews knew the book of Isaiah, and that it didnt agree. The one Isaiah Prophesied of, is the same Son of Man that Jesus His Pre-Eminence spoke of. So the jews were not fooled as the Christians were.
I agree that the one Isaiah Prophesied of is the same Son of Man that Jesus spoke of. Jesus was never referring to Himself when He spoke of the Son of Man who would come in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory, and that is yet another thing that Christians got wrong.

Who is the Son of man who will come in the clouds of heaven?
Put simply, what proved who the false teachers are, are their messages. They claimed they hear from GOD directly, and then teach the people what they heard. So they may answer to pastor, or priest, or bishop, or deacon, or minister but they are all claiming to be Prophets. Because it is Prophets only, that can hear from GOD inaudibly.
That is yet another false teaching of Christianity, the belief that they can hear from God directly. Only the Prophets and Messengers of God ever hear from God directly, and they act as mediators between God and man.
So their teachings expose them. They have no fear of GOD to do it in the first place. Only the Son of Man, Elijah, the 7th Angel of the Church Revelation 3, is he who GOD said HE would send. Everyone else is false.
Revelation 2:17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

I agree that any man other than the one you described would be false. So who do you think God will send with the New Name and how will people be able to recognize Him when He comes?
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Why doesn't he do that today? Why isn't there some modern day prophet up on a hilltop named Bevis the Baptist screaming, "Woe unto you, people of America--sinners and hypocrites! Repent or the Lord will visit fire and brimstone on you yet 30 days from now. The clock is ticking."
God has done that in this day and the Prophet was called Baha'u'llah. The clock is now ticking.

“The world is in travail, and its agitation waxeth day by day. Its face is turned towards waywardness and unbelief. Such shall be its plight, that to disclose it now would not be meet and seemly. Its perversity will long continue. And when the appointed hour is come, there shall suddenly appear that which shall cause the limbs of mankind to quake. Then, and only then, will the Divine Standard be unfurled, and the Nightingale of Paradise warble its melody.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 118-119

“He Who is the Eternal Truth knoweth well what the breasts of men conceal. His long forbearance hath emboldened His creatures, for not until the appointed time is come will He rend any veil asunder. His surpassing mercy hath restrained the fury of His wrath, and caused most people to imagine that the one true God is unaware of the things they have privily committed. By Him Who is the All-Knowing, the All-Informed! The mirror of His knowledge reflecteth, with complete distinctness, precision and fidelity, the doings of all men.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 204

“We have a fixed time for you, O peoples. If ye fail, at the appointed hour, to turn towards God, He, verily, will lay violent hold on you, and will cause grievous afflictions to assail you from every direction. How severe, indeed, is the chastisement with which your Lord will then chastise you!” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 214

He wrote more, but those are the highlights. Can't get much clearer than that. ;)
 

Yahcubs777

Active Member
I fully agree that all of what you noted above is what the Prophets prophesized.

I fully agree that all of what you noted above is a false teaching of Christianity.

I fully agree that the reason for the false teachings is because of the interpretation they gave to the "spirit of truth" and that they neglected the real teachings of Jesus. In other words, Christians have misinterpreted the New Testament from the very beginning, believing that the Spirit of Truth is the Holy Spirit that lives inside of them, and that has led to false beliefs.

No Christian is equal to Jesus, as Jesus was a Manifestation of God, another order of creation above an ordinary man. Jesus had a twofold nature; the physical, pertaining to the world of matter, and the spiritual, which was born of the substance of God Himself. He was the Voice of God but also a Messenger of God and in His human station Jesus was a Servant of God.

I agree that the one Isaiah Prophesied of is the same Son of Man that Jesus spoke of. Jesus was never referring to Himself when He spoke of the Son of Man who would come in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory, and that is yet another thing that Christians got wrong.

Who is the Son of man who will come in the clouds of heaven?

That is yet another false teaching of Christianity, the belief that they can hear from God directly. Only the Prophets and Messengers of God ever hear from God directly, and they act as mediators between God and man.

Revelation 2:17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

I agree that any man other than the one you described would be false. So who do you think God will send with the New Name and how will people be able to recognize Him when He comes?

In Jude, there is a verse or passage where he talks about the people that are "clouds without water".

10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.

11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.

12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;

13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.

Clouds of Heaven is not speaking of literal clouds, but its pointing to that person who has the windows of Heaven opened unto him. When this "saying" came out in the bible, the people were still primative. What they interpreted the windows to be, is just like a window that you can open and a breeze comes in. But now knowledge has increased, and we who are here in this Generation should have a better understanding what windows is. Now we have computers, and windows runs on the computer. And by that program we can have apps and search engines and so on.


When you have the mindset that the earth is in a fallen state, then you will also understand that heaven is far far more adavanced than here.The height of technology in a heavens world is far superior to that of ours in the earth. Even the fact that GOD can speak inaudibly to a Prophet, is pointing to satelite technology, like a radio picks up a signal, and the Prophet is the decoder that decodes the signal into a vision. Then the Prophet teaches the people the vision that he was given. Now you see the reason for the word telivision ("tell a vision"). So what im trying to say here, is there is alot that was written in the bible that was speaking in a higher level of knowledge of things; technology, life force, different worlds and so on that the people in the earth were not able to catch because knowledge was lacking in the earth.

Think of a time when electricity was not in the earth. How would you describe what happened to Uzzah when he tried to touch the Ark? But now we have electricity, and that can be explained. How would we describe what electricity is before it came? Moses the law was called the Light of the world. We know that the water brought forth the earth in Genesis 1, so we assume that him crossing the red sea was like that water bringing forth the earth. But, water can also produce light. But that knowledge is not something the people had.

So coming in the clouds of heaven is speaking of that person who has an insiders report into the lifestyle of heaven. Into how things are done in heaven. How the Angels, Cherubim and Serapim look, their anatomy and abilities, how is their heavens world? Because Genesis only speaks of the creation of heaven for Mankind, what about the Angels and Cherubim and Seraphim where do they stay? He will also reveal the Mankind Heirarchy, He, the Son of Man, will explain all the things that have happened perfectly, and explain the messages hidden in those events, and also things that are yet to come in the celsestial.

4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

That voice, is pointing to that Elijah, that Son of Man. Just as John the Baptist who is an Elijah was called: The voice of one crying in the wilderness make straiight the way of the LORD.
Just as Elijah of Tishbe confronted a situation where the people were following prophets baal, so he said: Let us go up to mount camel, and let us call upon our GOD, and you upon yours and we will see who is true (something like that)... This is a situation that called for an Elijah. And that is the situation today.

Which church is the chruch GOD named and built in this earth today? There isn't any.

And it is also he that will reveal that new name.
 

SeekingAllTruth

Well-Known Member
God has done that in this day and the Prophet was called Baha'u'llah. The clock is now ticking.

“The world is in travail, and its agitation waxeth day by day. Its face is turned towards waywardness and unbelief. Such shall be its plight, that to disclose it now would not be meet and seemly. Its perversity will long continue. And when the appointed hour is come, there shall suddenly appear that which shall cause the limbs of mankind to quake. Then, and only then, will the Divine Standard be unfurled, and the Nightingale of Paradise warble its melody.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 118-119

“He Who is the Eternal Truth knoweth well what the breasts of men conceal. His long forbearance hath emboldened His creatures, for not until the appointed time is come will He rend any veil asunder. His surpassing mercy hath restrained the fury of His wrath, and caused most people to imagine that the one true God is unaware of the things they have privily committed. By Him Who is the All-Knowing, the All-Informed! The mirror of His knowledge reflecteth, with complete distinctness, precision and fidelity, the doings of all men.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 204

“We have a fixed time for you, O peoples. If ye fail, at the appointed hour, to turn towards God, He, verily, will lay violent hold on you, and will cause grievous afflictions to assail you from every direction. How severe, indeed, is the chastisement with which your Lord will then chastise you!” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 214

He wrote more, but those are the highlights. Can't get much clearer than that. ;)


Good. I'm glad somebody finally stepped forward and took the initiative to let us know.
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SeekingAllTruth

Well-Known Member
Why does this bother you so much?
Because I don't respect God for playing this double standard of smite everybody back then and take an active part in our lives and then pulling this big fat silent absence act with today's civilization when we need him the most. Ask any childless father: an absent dad is no dad at all. God might as well just evaporate for all the good he does us.
 
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