Jesus' Four Failed Prophecies About Him Returning In The Lifetimes Of His Apostles

[Hockeycowboy]

In argumentation theory, an argumentum ad populum (Latin for "appeal to the people") is a fallacious argument that concludes that a proposition is true because many or most people believe it: "If many believe so, it is so."

This type of argument is known by several names,[1] including appeal to the masses, appeal to belief, appeal to the majority, appeal to democracy, appeal to popularity, argument by consensus, consensus fallacy, authority of the many, bandwagon fallacy, Argumentum ad populum - Wikipedia

The converse of this is that if many or most people do not believe it, it cannot be so, and that is also fallacious.

You’re right.
The reason why arguments like this have bearing, is that few want to be unpopular!

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Check your own religion ... God only chose one small bronze age nation out of so many people? Only the Israelites?

Or look how only Noah and his family were chosen to survive the flood.

Not for salvation. It is not necessary for anyone to be a Jew. Ninevah, for example, was not a Jewish nation.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Not for salvation. It is not necessary for anyone to be a Jew. Ninevah, for example, was not a Jewish nation.

I agree. The Gibeonites are another example.
In fact, Genesis 22:18 would have no meaning if others couldn’t gain salvation.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Of course. The Jewish people are still in covenant with God. And that covenant requires certain things of both sides of the agreement. Without the Temple the Jewish people can't live up to their part of the agreement.

The Temple will be rebuilt. According to Scripture.

Well according to the prophet Hosea, our prayers are adequate substitute for sacrifice. But adequate isn't really the fulness.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

For all the children of Abraham. Those with faith like his. God's own righteousness imputed to them, since they have none of their own. Faith without works is dead indeed.

Oh, your apostle James taught a whole different theology than Paul.

 

[LightofTruth]

I don't claim those things so I don't care. I am more concerned with the clear errors in the Bible.

I don't understand why men want to teach things the Bible doesn't and then claim it does.
I asked a Trinitarian where the Bible teaches God is a Trinity. He said, "The baptismal formula".

I asked one who holds to doctrines of demons where the Bible says angels are demons. I'm still waiting for that one.

I asked a JW's and others where the Bible teaches Jesus' flesh was different than Paul's. They can't answer that one either.

And where does the Bible speak of an "immortal soul" residing in man? It doesn't.

So, now we know why there are so many denominations.

 

[LightofTruth]

Well according to the prophet Hosea, our prayers are adequate substitute for sacrifice. But adequate isn't really the fulness.

The restitution of all things refers to the restitution of the system of worship God originally plan for His people.

 

[LightofTruth]

Oh, your apostle James taught a whole different theology than Paul.

He did?

 

[IndigoChild5559]

He did?

He did.

 

[LightofTruth]

He did.

How so?

 

[IndigoChild5559]

How so?

Paul: For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God.
James: and so you see that you are justified by works, and NOT by faith alone.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

You are pleasant to discuss things with, @IndigoChild5559 . I appreciate it it.
But please, I have to ask...Since serpents don’t talk, who was behind it, then?

 

[LightofTruth]

Well according to the prophet Hosea, our prayers are adequate substitute for sacrifice. But adequate isn't really the fulness.

For some odd reason, these Christian churches have taken God's chosen people completely out of the equation. All they can see when they read the book of Daniel and Revelation are Gentiles. Even though the angel specifically was telling Daniel (a Jew) what was to befall his people in the latter days. go figure.

 

[LightofTruth]

Paul: For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God.
James: and so you see that you are justified by works, and NOT by faith alone.

What did Paul mean by rendering the obedience of faith?

 

[IndigoChild5559]

You are pleasant to discuss things with, @IndigoChild5559 . I appreciate it it.
But please, I have to ask...Since serpents don’t talk, who was behind it, then?

According to the tale, before the serpent was disciplined, it both walked and talked. The serpent was a serpent.

 

[LightofTruth]

According to the tale, before the serpent was disciplined, it both walked and talked. The serpent was a serpent.

I'm sure that's what it means when it says the serpent was more cunning than any other beast of the field that God had made. An intelligent snake he was. then he died.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

What did Paul mean by rendering the obedience of faith?

Paul drew a line separating obedience and faith. He did say to obey, but he disconnected it from salvation, rendering it worthless in Christian terms.

 

[LightofTruth]

Paul drew a line separating obedience and faith. He did say to obey, but he disconnected it from salvation, rendering it worthless in Christian terms.

What's all that in Romans 3:21 -31?

 

[74x12]

Well, then what does serving God for eternity mean? Why use "serving" like I'm some kind of waiter in a restaurant?

There is more to serving than that. Even kings like David were called the servant of God. (1 Kings 11:13)

The scripture indicates we'll be priests and kings. (Revelation 1:6)

So who's right, you or cOLTER?

I believe Acts 1:11 indicates Jesus will return in the same way he left. Which is he'll physically come down from a cloud. The holy Spirit was given in the very next chapter in Acts 2:1-4. So, I don't think that's what the angels were talking about when they said Jesus would return the same way he left. In the meantime we can receive the holy Spirit which is definitely Jesus' Spirit with us; but it's not the physical return of Christ ... yet.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

What's all that in Romans 3:21 -31?

Romans 3:21-31 is a good example of Paul teaching salvation through faith, and not mentioning works as part of the deal.