Jesus' Four Failed Prophecies About Him Returning In The Lifetimes Of His Apostles

[LightofTruth]

Well, if wide is the gate that leads to destruction, then I'd say God is doing one hell of a lousy job saving people.

God provided the Way.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

I have seen many excuses offered for why Jews believe that the Temple has never been rebuilt...but if Judaism is "not whole", or is "incomplete" without it, then why have 2,000 years elapsed with no command to rebuild it?

How do Jews offer the required sacrifices under the Law that they still believe is binding, when there is no way to offer them legitimately? Where is the priesthood? Did it just disappear?

Even in the desert God had the Tabernacle constructed for the sacrifices to be offered. The wilderness sojourn was only 40 years and they still had the means to offer their sacrifices, despite the fact that they had not yet entered the Promised Land.

I guess that the Jewish people have to come to terms with why their Temple was destroyed in the first place....? God only ever allowed it when the Jewish people, (under their corrupt leadership) had offended him to the limit......could it be that Jesus was the Messiah and that he has paid the ultimate sacrifice so that an earthly Temple is no longer necessary? A synagogue was not a replacement for the Temple...was it?

Didn't Jesus tell his disciples that "a stone would not be left upon a stone and not thrown down"? (Matthew 24:1-2) It wasn't Jesus' followers who destroyed the Temple but the Roman army. How did Jesus know that this would be the case? How could he tell his disciples to flee to the mountains so as to avoid what happened in that first awful holocaust in Jerusalem? Why do they believe that it was allowed to happen again in Nazi Germany?

Why do Jews believe that God allowed it to happen at all?

We certainly are under the commandment to rebuild it. However, we have to have the opportunity to do so in an environment of peace an acceptance. That has not been true so far, and is not true right now.

You are right, synagogues are not a replacement for the temple. Although for the time being, prayers are the replacement for sacrifice Hosea 14:2: The words of our lips [prayers] shall be as calves [sacrifices].

 

[IndigoChild5559]

God provided the Way.

For a small minority? And a way not predicated on their right behavior? What a farce.

 

[74x12]

If God really cared about all the disillusioned Christians who believe in Jesus' literal return to earth--79% according to a recent Pew Poll--wouldn't He send his holy spirit to clear up the illusion????

This question NEVER elicits a response from Christians. Just watch. No one will respond.

I believe he will literally return in the clouds like the Bible says ...

 

[74x12]

For a small minority? And a way not predicated on their right behavior? What a farce.

Check your own religion ... God only chose one small bronze age nation out of so many people? Only the Israelites?

Or look how only Noah and his family were chosen to survive the flood.

 

[LightofTruth]

The temple will be rebuilt if for no other reason than the earth is simply not whole without it. But in addition to that, God commands the Jewish people to offer sacrifice. There are many sacrifices -- not just atonement mind you. While Judaism works okay without the temple, it is not at its best. Judaism simply isn't complete without the temple. It is simply a matter for when the time is right. (Right now is not the time.)

Of course. The Jewish people are still in covenant with God. And that covenant requires certain things of both sides of the agreement. Without the Temple the Jewish people can't live up to their part of the agreement.

The Temple will be rebuilt. According to Scripture.

 

[SeekingAllTruth]

I believe he will literally return in the clouds like the Bible says ...

Hang on a second. cOLTER is a committed Christian like you and he is emphatic that Jesus' return already happened at Pentecost and it was a spiritual return. You're saying Jesus' return will be a future literal return in his resurrected body. You're both Christians and you both can't be right. One of you is wrong. Why isn't the holy spirit guiding you both to a common belief like he's supposed to so there is no confusion?

 

[LightofTruth]

This agree with.....but he did not divulge his truth to any one individual......Christianity by its definition has to be a "church"...not a building, but a gathering or "congregation" of like minded individuals all taught by the same teacher...Jesus Christ. We must of necessity all be united in our beliefs, with no dissension. (Hebrews 10:24-25; 1 Corinthians 1:10) Only God's spirit can accomplish that degree of unity.

John 17:20-22...
"I make request, not concerning these only, but also concerning those putting faith in me through their word, 21 so that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in union with us, so that the world may believe that you sent me. 22 I have given them the glory that you have given me, in order that they may be one just as we are one."

If all those "individuals" to whom God has divulged his truth cannot agree, then it cannot be from God in the first place. Christianity has never been about individuals and what they think or feel is correct.....its about the collective. If the collective is cohesive, peaceful and operating harmoniously as a global brotherhood, obediently following ALL of Jesus' teachings, then that is where you will find the truth.


There will never be an earthly Temple rebuilt. For the simple reason that there is no need. As Paul said these earthly things represented things in heaven.
Hebrews:11-14...
"Also, every priest takes his station day after day to offer holy service and to make the same sacrifices often, which can never take sins away completely. 12 But this man offered one sacrifice for sins for all time and sat down at the right hand of God, 13 from then on waiting until his enemies should be placed as a stool for his feet. 14 For it is by one sacrificial offering that he has made those who are being sanctified perfect for all time."

There was no longer a need for the earthly Temple because there was longer a need for the sacrifices offered there. Jesus offered the permanent sacrifice once and for all. This is why there has been no Temple for the last 2,000 years.

The ones chosen to rule with Christ in his Kingdom will have the privilege of serving God in his grand spiritual Temple, where the High Priest and his priesthood are already preparing for the final showdown with satan's world.
Their priesthood is not served on earth but in heaven from where they will administer the rulership of God's Kingdom over this earth. (Revelation 21:2-4)

The last 2,000 years?
Israel has only become an independent state since 1948. Give them some more time. They're quickly becoming a world power. if not already.

 

[SeekingAllTruth]

The ones chosen to rule with Christ in his Kingdom will have the privilege of serving God in his grand spiritual Temple (Revelation 21:2-4)

I don't exactly consider waiting on God hand and foot and stroking his ego for eternity a privilege.

 

[74x12]

Hang on a second. cOLTER is a committed Christian like you and he is emphatic that Jesus' return already happened at Pentecost and it was a spiritual return. You're saying Jesus' return will be a future literal return in his resurrected body. You're both Christians and you both can't be right. One of you is wrong. Why isn't the holy spirit guiding you both to a common belief like he's supposed to so there is no confusion?

People still have a lot to learn even if they do receive the holy Spirit which not everyone even has the Spirit who think they do. The Spirit is sent to lead and guide us into all truth ... that implies we aren't yet in all the truth the moment we receive the Spirit. Actually we have a lot to learn. In fact who on earth can really say they have "all" truth? Even if you have the holy Spirit and prayed every day for 1000 years I don't think you have "all" truth. You don't know everything in this life. In the life to come yes you do know but not now.

Buuut ... you do have "all" truth in one sense. Because the Spirit is truth and so if you walk in the guidance of the Spirit you will have all truth. But you won't know all things but you will know as the Spirit shows you truth and so you'll be led of the Spirit into all truth. But if anyone doesn't continue in the light then they walk in darkness.

 

[74x12]

I don't exactly consider waiting on God hand and foot and stroking his ego for eternity a privilege.

Why would you wait on God hand and foot? What can you offer God anyway? God doesn't need anything. Why the only thing God really wants is our heart, our love.

 

[LightofTruth]

And that is mostly just your own interpretation. No more valid than that of any other Christian or non-Christian.

I compare the Scripture with the Scripture. Or, the spiritual with the spiritual, however you put it.

"He is giving wisdom to the wise, and knowledge to those possessing understanding." and Jesus said, "he who has, more will be given"

We need to have something to work with.

 

[SeekingAllTruth]

I wasn't selling it.....

Its an 'invitation only' situation. (John 6:65)

I believe that what you mistook for Christianity never was.....there are "wheat" and "weeds" remember? Could it be that you mistook one for the other? There was not going to be a clear separation until the harvest time.....I can see the reapers waiting for the signal to begin the harvest as we speak. It starts with the weeds and ends with the wheat taken into God's storehouse. I'd be happy to be a bit of grain on the floor.....

Here's where I go off the rails with Christianity--one of the ways anyway. You say God is deliberately letting people stay in a state of confusion. That's doesn't make sense. He's God. He's in the business of saving souls. It's a hell of a way to reach someone by just letting them stay confused. And most people die in a state of confusion about all this. That's pretty poor fathering if you ask me. If God wants to save souls He should reveal Himself in no uncertain terms so that ALL people on earth can unite--join the same religion of truth and give thanks and glory to God together. Instead we have, what....a thousand different religions and 30,000 different Christian denominations that can't agree because God chooses to keep them in a totally and completely confused? Does that sound right? Doesn't it make more sense that the reason there is so much confusion and so many different beliefs is because God is a deist God. He simply doesn't give a damn what or who we believe in, whether it's Jesus or Buddha or the man in the moon. That's the world we live in looks like,doesn't it?

 

[LightofTruth]

For a small minority? And a way not predicated on their right behavior? What a farce.

For all the children of Abraham. Those with faith like his. God's own righteousness imputed to them, since they have none of their own. Faith without works is dead indeed.

 

[SeekingAllTruth]

Why would you wait on God hand and foot? What can you offer God anyway? God doesn't need anything. Why the only thing God really wants is our heart, our love.

Well, then what does serving God for eternity mean? Why use "serving" like I'm some kind of waiter in a restaurant?

 

[Subduction Zone]

I compare the Scripture with the Scripture. Or, the spiritual with the spiritual, however you put it.

"He is giving wisdom to the wise, and knowledge to those possessing understanding." and Jesus said, "he who has, more will be given"

We need to have something to work with.

Hardly reliable as shown by the countless different sects. Don't you think that they did something similar?

 

[SeekingAllTruth]

People still have a lot to learn even if they do receive the holy Spirit which not everyone even has the Spirit who think they do. The Spirit is sent to lead and guide us into all truth ... that implies we aren't yet in all the truth the moment we receive the Spirit. Actually we have a lot to learn. In fact who on earth can really say they have "all" truth? Even if you have the holy Spirit and prayed every day for 1000 years I don't think you have "all" truth. You don't know everything in this life. In the life to come yes you do know but not now.

Buuut ... you do have "all" truth in one sense. Because the Spirit is truth and so if you walk in the guidance of the Spirit you will have all truth. But you won't know all things but you will know as the Spirit shows you truth and so you'll be led of the Spirit into all truth. But if anyone doesn't continue in the light then they walk in darkness.

So who's right, you or cOLTER?

 

[LightofTruth]

Hardly reliable as shown by the countless different sects. Don't you think that they did something similar?

Where does the Bible teach God is a Trinity?
Where does the Bible teach man has an immortal soul?
Where does the Bible teach Jesus' flesh was different than Paul's?
Where does the Bible teach demons are fallen angels?

The Bible doesn't teach those things, men do.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Where does the Bible teach God is a Trinity?
Where does the Bible teach man has an immortal soul?
Where does the Bible teach Jesus' flesh was different than Paul's?
Where does the Bible teach demons are fallen angels?

The Bible doesn't teach those things, men do.

I don't claim those things so I don't care. I am more concerned with the clear errors in the Bible.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

If God really cared about all the disillusioned Christians who believe in Jesus' literal return to earth--79% according to a recent Pew Poll--wouldn't He send his holy spirit to clear up the illusion????

Why would He?

Through His Son, He told them to ‘love their brothers as Christ himself did’, even to ‘love their enemies.’ John 13:34-35; Matthew 5:44.

That’s easy to understand. But the vaaast majority won’t even do that!