Jesus' God ???

[Desert Snake]

G-d the father as G-d
Jesus as Son of G-d as a G-d.
This is polytheism beause it encourages worship of multiple Deities, aside from the problems of what if they disagree etc., it just doesn't work, people are going to want to 'choose' the correct G-d, this is to be expected, it is not 'fair' to tell people. hey there are two G-ds but you can only worship one, 'what'T??
So, that is why G-d the father through Jesus showed Himself, this leaves us with one Deity.

 

[kjw47]

I believe you are adding words to the scripture and therfore changing the true meaning of the scripture. It puts the lie to what a certain organization claims it does. If one says one is interpreting then there has to be rationale to support that interpreation and I find none.

I don't believe it is that way at all. I believe it is never achieved before the Kingdom comes and is not necessary after it comes.

I believe your statement is false based on the fact God was not able to be King before Jesus.

Jeremiah 10:10--- Jehovah is king till time indefinite.

see Gods word disagrees with you.

 

[Muffled]

Jeremiah 10:10--- Jehovah is king to time indefinite. Or in your translation--GOD --so if you believe Jesus is God or part of that God as one, then he allready is king--thus cannot be appointed--a prince( Michael )can be appointed for 1000 years.
But every real teacher of Jesus' teaches the Father is Jesus' God-( John 20:17,Rev 3:12--2Cor 1:3,1Cor 8:6--1Peter 1:3--Rev 1:6)-God does not have a God. That is why when Jesus hands back the kingdom to his God and Father at the end of his millennial reign, Jesus will be in subjection (1Cor 15:24-28)------forever.
That is why this the the bottom line reality all need to be doing on a daily basis--John 4:22-24--Jesus taught there--its what the true followers do.

I beleive Jesus is King forever. Michael is never King since he is an angel. I believe you have some kind of muddled thinking about this since scripture does not support your view.

I believe the so called real teachers who teach falsehoods aren't wrth listening to. God is His God. Any other view is totally illogical.

Jesus doea not hand back the Kingdom after a thousand years and scripture certainly does not say He does.

 

[Muffled]

Jeremiah 10:10--- Jehovah is king till time indefinite.

see Gods word disagrees with you.

I believe I see your problem now. I believe you think that because Jesus is given a kingdom that he hasn't been King forever but that is not true since one can be a King without a Kingdom and that certainly can be said of Jehovah in the OT when men were kings.

 

[Muffled]

G-d the father as G-d
Jesus as Son of G-d as a G-d.
This is polytheism beause it encourages worship of multiple Deities, aside from the problems of what if they disagree etc., it just doesn't work, people are going to want to 'choose' the correct G-d, this is to be expected, it is not 'fair' to tell people. hey there are two G-ds but you can only worship one, 'what'T??
So, that is why G-d the father through Jesus showed Himself, this leaves us with one Deity.

I don't believe there is no polytheism in saying that Jesus is a god even though it is only partiall true since God is a god. I believe all authority is usually referred to the Father to help alleviate that confusion but at the end Jesus says that all authority has been given to Jesus. This implies that Jehovah now takes a back seat to Jesus in order to alleviate confusion.

 

[kjw47]

I beleive Jesus is King forever. Michael is never King since he is an angel. I believe you have some kind of muddled thinking about this since scripture does not support your view.

I believe the so called real teachers who teach falsehoods aren't wrth listening to. God is His God. Any other view is totally illogical.

Jesus doea not hand back the Kingdom after a thousand years and scripture certainly does not say He does.

Not only does he hand back the kingdom to his God and Father, he subjects himself as well--- I believe forever-1Corinthians 15:24-28

 

[kjw47]

I beleive Jesus is King forever. Michael is never King since he is an angel. I believe you have some kind of muddled thinking about this since scripture does not support your view.

I believe the so called real teachers who teach falsehoods aren't wrth listening to. God is His God. Any other view is totally illogical.

Jesus doea not hand back the Kingdom after a thousand years and scripture certainly does not say He does.

Daniel 7: 13-15---- Someone like the son of man( being who came to earth as mortal)had to gain access to the ancient of Days( God=YHWH(Jehovah) and was appointed( given) Gods king for a millennial reign. But he must hand it back and become a subject-1Cor 15:24-28--Gods word teaches its a millennial reign= 1000 years.

 

[Muffled]

Not only does he hand back the kingdom to his God and Father, he subjects himself as well--- I believe forever-1Corinthians 15:24-28

I can see the point of that but the end that is talked about is not necessarily the end of the 1000 year reign although I could construe it that way. However it doesn't change anything because v28 says ...
that God may be all in all....

God as a man has a purpose and that was to draw all men into the kingdom of God. The end does not really end that purpose since there are still many who don't make it into the Kingdom of God. After the thousand year reign there is a judgement that precludes God from further using Jesus for that purpose but the purpose remains even if the means does not at that time.

I differ with the Hindu view as expressed by Krishna that God just jumps into life whenever He sees something that needs correcting. I believe God only does it if it is necessary for salvation before the coming of the Kingdom since that pretty much eliminates salvation after the 1000 year reign..

 

[Faybull]

Even during the Kingdom reign, there will be wicked people.

It's just they aren't allowed in the New Jerusalem.

Do you need a quote or verse to verify it?

 

[Nada]

Does Jesus, Himself, in His spoken words, recognize/acknowledge/designate who His God is????

Yes. John 20:17 Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"

We know from the holy scriptures that the God of Israel is YHVH,Yehowah,Yahweh,Jehovah.
So when Jesus is telling the Jews,his followers, that their God is his God,he is acknowledging that Jehovah is his God.

Exodus 6:3 King James Bible
And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

Psalm 83:18King James Bible
That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.

Isaiah 12:2 King James Bible
Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation.

Isaiah 26:4 King James Bible
Trust ye in the LORD for ever: for in the LORD JEHOVAH iseverlasting strength:

 

[Muffled]

Daniel 7: 13-15---- Someone like the son of man( being who came to earth as mortal)had to gain access to the ancient of Days( God=YHWH(Jehovah) and was appointed( given) Gods king for a millennial reign. But he must hand it back and become a subject-1Cor 15:24-28--Gods word teaches its a millennial reign= 1000 years.

Did you even read Dan 14? ...his dominion is an everlasting dominion....

I believe it is God.

I believe there is no such statement of necessity in the Text. I believe Daniel was seeing a vision of all authority being given to Jesus but that authority only belongs to God and He does not give it to another.

I believe this is a tempest in a teapot because God is king whether in the body or out of it. The scripture is not contradicting itself here but Jesus can still be King even if He isn't bodily present. For instance Jesus is my king through the Paraclete even though Jesus is not bodily present. I have no problem with the concept that God would not wish to stay in the body beyond the accomplishment of His purpose but the scripture is less than decisive about it.

 

[Muffled]

Yes. John 20:17 Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"

We know from the holy scriptures that the God of Israel is YHVH,Yehowah,Yahweh,Jehovah.
So when Jesus is telling the Jews,his followers, that their God is his God,he is acknowledging that Jehovah is his God.

Exodus 6:3 King James Bible
And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

Psalm 83:18King James Bible
That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.

Isaiah 12:2 King James Bible
Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation.

Isaiah 26:4 King James Bible
Trust ye in the LORD for ever: for in the LORD JEHOVAH iseverlasting strength:

God is His God. I can never sy it enough. It is a truism.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

God is His God. I can never say it enough. It is a truism.

......And the resurrected ascended-to-heaven Jesus still thinks his Father is still his God.
- Revelation 3 v 12

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Even during the Kingdom reign, there will be wicked people.
It's just they aren't allowed in the New Jerusalem.
Do you need a quote or verse to verify it?

Since the wicked will be destroyed forever - Psalm 92 v 7- then under Christ's millennium-long day of reigning over earth those who commit the unforgivable sin will Not continue living.
- Matthew 12 v 32; Hebrews 6 vs 4-6

AFTER the 1000 years, then Satan will be let loose and those alive on earth at that time who choose to follow Satan will end up in that symbolic ' second death ' with Satan - Rev. 21 v 8 - being destroyed as Jesus will destroy Satan - Hebrews 2 v 14 B.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I believe Jesus is King forever. Michael is never King since he is an angel.
Jesus does not hand back the Kingdom after a thousand years and scripture certainly does not say He does.

Yes, Michael is an angel, but Not just any angel because Michael is the one and only archangel. Each person has their own voice. Please notice that the Lord Jesus has Michael's voice - 1st Thess. 4 v 16 - thus while on earth Michael the Archangel used the name Jesus.
As Archangel Jesus is head, or Commander in Chief, [ hail to the chief ! ] of angelic armies.
- Rev. 19 vs 11,14,15.

What does 1st Corinthians 15 v 24 say regarding Jesus?_________________________________
Doesn't Jesus ' deliver up ' [ hands over ] God's kingdom [ of a thousand years ] back to God ?
- Rev. 20 v 6

 

[Faybull]

Since the wicked will be destroyed forever - Psalm 92 v 7- then under Christ's millennium-long day of reigning over earth those who commit the unforgivable sin will Not continue living.
- Matthew 12 v 32; Hebrews 6 vs 4-6

AFTER the 1000 years, then Satan will be let loose and those alive on earth at that time who choose to follow Satan will end up in that symbolic ' second death ' with Satan - Rev. 21 v 8 - being destroyed as Jesus will destroy Satan - Hebrews 2 v 14 B.

Since the wicked will be destroyed forever - Psalm 92 v 7- then under Christ's millennium-long day of reigning over earth those who commit the unforgivable sin will Not continue living.
- Matthew 12 v 32; Hebrews 6 vs 4-6

AFTER the 1000 years, then Satan will be let loose and those alive on earth at that time who choose to follow Satan will end up in that symbolic ' second death ' with Satan - Rev. 21 v 8 - being destroyed as Jesus will destroy Satan - Hebrews 2 v 14 B.

New Jerusalem in on the Earth, not the entirety of it. There will still be vile people.
They are consigned to a place outside of New Jerusalem, not be able to enter....Thus the second death. It isn't speaking physically.

Aside from that, in Psalm 92, the notion is that the wicked will always be destroyed. Not that there won't ever be wicked people again. But that there destruction is perpetual. There is a consequence for every action.