Jesus' God ???

[Tabb]

The errors in the nt have been found and corrected.--The New world translation.

LOL, now that's funny.

 

[kjw47]

LOL, now that's funny.

Its truth--the only translation in harmony with the teachings of Jesus.

 

[Tabb]

Its truth--the only translation in harmony with the teachings of Jesus.

I won't argue that point. You seem to be sincere in your beliefs and who am I or anyone to say you're wrong. I'll just say I find the New Testament so flawed that I can't believe it without question. No doubt there is some wisdom in it but with all its flaws I can't take it as the word of God. I respect your point of view but I will remain a skeptic.

 

[kjw47]

I won't argue that point. You seem to be sincere in your beliefs and who am I or anyone to say you're wrong. I'll just say I find the New Testament so flawed that I can't believe it without question. No doubt there is some wisdom in it but with all its flaws I can't take it as the word of God. I respect your point of view but I will remain a skeptic.

Which flaws do you speak of---- there are many false mistranslating of what is being said in the bible out there.

 

[Tabb]

Which flaws do you speak of---- there are many false mistranslating of what is being said in the bible out there.

I question the need for the book in the first place. If Christians are followers of the Christ, why don't they just follow the book he advocated. The Torah or Old Testament was all he teached. He never really deviated from that.

 

[kjw47]

I question the need for the book in the first place. If Christians are followers of the Christ, why don't they just follow the book he advocated. The Torah or Old Testament was all he teached. He never really deviated from that.

One of the main reasons Jesus came was to make a new covenant between God and mortals--Love--not written law. God saw barely no one would win under written law--so he made a new covenant--Love.
His own chosen ones fell away and apostocised many times in the ot. They could not cut it( in this satan ruled system) under written law.

 

[metis]

One of the main reasons Jesus came was to make a new covenant between God and mortals--Love--not written law. God saw barely no one would win under written law--so he made a new covenant--Love.
His own chosen ones fell away and apostocised many times in the ot. They could not cut it( in this satan ruled system) under written law.

If you believe as such, then you are a polytheist. Secondly, why can't there be both a written law and both written and unwritten "laws" based on love at the same time? Thirdly, why are you stereotyping us?

 

[Nada]

Jesus asked permission from God.Jesus prayed to God.Jesus was resurrected by God.Jesus called God his Father and God.

Matthew 26:39 Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, "My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will."

Acts 2:32 God has raised this Jesus to life, and we are all witnesses of it.

John 20:17 Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"

 

[Aman777]

Jesus asked permission from God.Jesus prayed to God.Jesus was resurrected by God.Jesus called God his Father and God.

Matthew 26:39 Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, "My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will."

Acts 2:32 God has raised this Jesus to life, and we are all witnesses of it.

John 20:17 Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"

Dear Readers, God is an invisible Spirit. Col 1:15 You cannot see a Spirit because a Spirit is invisible, just as Love is invisible....BUT.....God does have an Image and that Physical Image is in His Only Begotten Son, called YHWH in the Old and Jesus Christ in the New Testament. IOW, Jesus IS God physically.

Col 2:9 For in Him (Jesus) dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Some preach another Gospel other than the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Here is what Scripture tells us of them.

6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from Him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

God Bless all of you, including Jehovah's Witnesses.

In Love,
Aman

 

[kjw47]

If you believe as such, then you are a polytheist. Secondly, why can't there be both a written law and both written and unwritten "laws" based on love at the same time? Thirdly, why are you stereotyping us?

If one has the required love it takes--law is written on that ones heart.
If one loved their brothers--they wouldn't steal from them, hate them, murder them, covet their things, etc,etc.
Who did I stereotype--did I say something that wasn't a fact?

 

[metis]

Who did I stereotype--did I say something that wasn't a fact?

"His own chosen ones fell away and apostocised many times in the ot."

 

[kjw47]

"His own chosen ones fell away and apostocised many times in the ot."

That was a statement of fact. Even Solomon fell to false god worship--Gods elite spiritual king--usually they all did it for the same reasons-- foreign wives( sex)--Many of the false religions had orgies in their worship and who knows what. They gave in to the flesh( sin)--its not easy being outcasts that do not participate in pagan filled worldly celebrations and traditions. And things like that. Living to do Gods will rather than follow the world. Solomon was the wisest man that ever lived, he knew God well, He knew what God commanded also well. Yet he turned.
King David, knew God well, yet did what he did for (sex.)fornication--David repented, otherwise--stoning to death was the appropriate punishment. Many other kings fell in the ot that did not repent( followers included)

 

[metis]

That was a statement of fact. Even Solomon fell to false god worship--Gods elite spiritual king--usually they all did it for the same reasons-- foreign wives( sex)--Many of the false religions had orgies in their worship and who knows what. They gave in to the flesh( sin)--its not easy being outcasts that do not participate in pagan filled worldly celebrations and traditions. And things like that. Living to do Gods will rather than follow the world. Solomon was the wisest man that ever lived, he knew God well, He knew what God commanded also well. Yet he turned.
King David, knew God well, yet did what he did for (sex.)fornication--David repented, otherwise--stoning to death was the appropriate punishment. Many other kings fell in the ot that did not repent( followers included)

It's still a stereotype of the Jews back then, and your use of the word "they" in an indiscriminate manner confirms this.

 

[kjw47]

It's still a stereotype of the Jews back then, and your use of the word "they" in an indiscriminate manner confirms this.

Yes, Fact #1) The Israelites were Gods chosen--- all other religions 99% were false.
Fact#2) Much of the ot is about the life and times of the Israelites)---so yes I am speaking about what is taught in the ot.
Fact 3) many kings fell and did not have Gods grace( unrepentant) --they even killed some of the prophets God sent to them to warn them to repent. Other countries attacked them and beat them, because they weren't in Gods favor at those points in time.
Maybe I just assume, those in here know what the bible teaches so I use--they--
I just state facts, I hold nothing against anyone or hate them for no reason.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Yes, Fact #1) The Israelites were Gods chosen--- all other religions 99% were false.

Completely wrong. The Israelites received through Torah the power to become chosen, but other religions were never declared 99% false. Where did you get that from? The ways of other nations (before Israel had kings) were declared not to be as good.

Fact#2) Much of the ot is about the life and times of the Israelites)---so yes I am speaking about what is taught in the ot.

Not even close. Much of the Tanach is about the Law, and it says little to nothing about Israelite lives and their times. For example it doesn't spell out how to become an Israelite. That's why its debatable what an Israelite is. So much is not written, so very little has been written about the life and times of the Israelites.

Fact 3) many kings fell and did not have Gods grace( unrepentant) --they even killed some of the prophets God sent to them to warn them to repent. Other countries attacked them and beat them, because they weren't in Gods favor at those points in time.

All of the kings were fallen and a source of idolatry and war. How could you overlook that, what with your amazing insight into how wrong other people are? None of the kings were good enough. Prophets harass kings because kings are bad.

Maybe I just assume, those in here know what the bible teaches so I use--they--
I just state facts, I hold nothing against anyone or hate them for no reason.

The Bible is a collection of texts not a textbook, and they do not fit what you are saying. You have not learned about it. Somehow you have produced very strange conclusions.

 

[metis]

Completely wrong. The Israelites received through Torah the power to become chosen, but other religions were never declared 99% false. Where did you get that from? The ways of other nations (before Israel had kings) were declared not to be as good.

Not even close. Much of the Tanach is about the Law, and it says little to nothing about Israelite lives and their times. For example it doesn't spell out how to become an Israelite. That's why its debatable what an Israelite is. So much is not written, so very little has been written about the life and times of the Israelites.

All of the kings were fallen and a source of idolatry and war. How could you overlook that, what with your amazing insight into how wrong other people are? None of the kings were good enough. Prophets harass kings because kings are bad.

The Bible is a collection of texts not a textbook, and they do not fit what you are saying. You have not learned about it. Somehow you have produced very strange conclusions.

Thank you for the above, and you are correct on all counts.

 

[Muffled]

Jesus was Hebrew who believed in the God of Abraham, YHWH. Christians sometimes forget that Yeshua( Jesus ) was a Jew and not a Christian.

I beleive I have no doubt He believed in Himself.

Jesus claimed to be the Messiah so that makes Him Christian since that is what Christian means.

 

[Muffled]

Yes they are one in purpose, as all will become one with them( in purpose) as well in Gods kingdom--but Jesus will be in subjection to his God and Father after his 1000 year reign ends-1Cor 15:24-28. Just like all will be.
Jesus was appointed king for a millennial reign( Daniel 7:13-15) --if Jesus were God he already would be king, but he was appointed. By the ancient of days= his God and Father--YHWH(Jehovah)

I believe you are adding words to the scripture and therfore changing the true meaning of the scripture. It puts the lie to what a certain organization claims it does. If one says one is interpreting then there has to be rationale to support that interpreation and I find none.

I don't believe it is that way at all. I believe it is never achieved before the Kingdom comes and is not necessary after it comes.

I believe your statement is false based on the fact God was not able to be King before Jesus.

 

[Muffled]

But actually the above does not say that he's God. On top of this, God is not referred to as being a "lamb", and note that in the above that Jesus did "receive power", which implies that the "power" came from some other source, namely God. Again, this more fits the idea of Jesus being of God but not God.

I beleive the argument is that only God is worthy of being worshipped in such a way that it says he is.

I believe that matters not since it is Jesus who is the lamb that is being worshipped.

I believe that is only positional. God in the flesh receives all that is God's by dint of His very being. The implication does not hold water because it automatically assumes a different person when in fact that it is the same person in a different position,

 

[kjw47]

I believe you are adding words to the scripture and therfore changing the true meaning of the scripture. It puts the lie to what a certain organization claims it does. If one says one is interpreting then there has to be rationale to support that interpreation and I find none.

I don't believe it is that way at all. I believe it is never achieved before the Kingdom comes and is not necessary after it comes.

I believe your statement is false based on the fact God was not able to be King before Jesus.

Jeremiah 10:10--- Jehovah is king to time indefinite. Or in your translation--GOD --so if you believe Jesus is God or part of that God as one, then he allready is king--thus cannot be appointed--a prince( Michael )can be appointed for 1000 years.
But every real teacher of Jesus' teaches the Father is Jesus' God-( John 20:17,Rev 3:12--2Cor 1:3,1Cor 8:6--1Peter 1:3--Rev 1:6)-God does not have a God. That is why when Jesus hands back the kingdom to his God and Father at the end of his millennial reign, Jesus will be in subjection (1Cor 15:24-28)------forever.
That is why this the the bottom line reality all need to be doing on a daily basis--John 4:22-24--Jesus taught there--its what the true followers do.