Jesus' God ???

[kjw47]

I believe there is no evidence that Jesus was eveer an angel before becoming a mortal and an immortal. By His own words He is God in the flesh.

Psalm 45:7

Proverbs 8-1Cor 1:30--prov 8:23---produced me as the beginning of your ways--created.--Collosians 1:15--the firstborn of all creation.
John 20:17,Rev 3:12-- Jesus teaches he has a God, like we do.--His Father.
Never did Jesus say he was God--never.

 

[Muffled]

Psalm 45:7

Proverbs 8-1Cor 1:30--prov 8:23---produced me as the beginning of your ways--created.--Collosians 1:15--the firstborn of all creation.
I believe this isn't Jesus and that you can't prove that it is.
John 20:17,Rev 3:12-- Jesus teaches he has a God, like we do.--His Father.
I believe God is His God.
Never did Jesus say he was God--never.

Jesus said "I and my Father are one."

 

[Tabb]

Jesus was Hebrew who believed in the God of Abraham, YHWH. Christians sometimes forget that Yeshua( Jesus ) was a Jew and not a Christian.

 

[kjw47]

Jesus said "I and my Father are one."

Yes they are one in purpose, as all will become one with them( in purpose) as well in Gods kingdom--but Jesus will be in subjection to his God and Father after his 1000 year reign ends-1Cor 15:24-28. Just like all will be.
Jesus was appointed king for a millennial reign( Daniel 7:13-15) --if Jesus were God he already would be king, but he was appointed. By the ancient of days= his God and Father--YHWH(Jehovah)

 

[kjw47]

Jesus was Hebrew who believed in the God of Abraham, YHWH. Christians sometimes forget that Yeshua( Jesus ) was a Jew and not a Christian.

Yes the Israelites were Gods chosen, Jesus gave them every opportunity--they rejected him and hated him-(Jesus called the teachers--sons of vipers)--sent him to be killed--God cut them off( Matt 23:37-38) the renting of the banner right at Jesus death--signified that fact. God did leave the door open to them---they must accept Jesus as the Messiah-- so a new religion started-- a worldwide brotherhood, united in love and peace. They serve YHWH(Jehovah) as the only true God and accept Jesus as the messiah and do obeisance to the king. but worship only goes to God( YHWH)

 

[Desert Snake]

Jesus was Hebrew who believed in the God of Abraham, YHWH. Christians sometimes forget that Yeshua( Jesus ) was a Jew and not a Christian.

I know what your saying however Jesus was more like the first Xian, technically.

 

[metis]

Yes the Israelites were Gods chosen, Jesus gave them every opportunity--they rejected him and hated him-(Jesus called the teachers--sons of vipers)--sent him to be killed--God cut them off( Matt 23:37-38) the renting of the banner right at Jesus death--signified that fact. God did leave the door open to them---they must accept Jesus as the Messiah-- so a new religion started-- a worldwide brotherhood, united in love and peace. They serve YHWH(Jehovah) as the only true God and accept Jesus as the messiah and do obeisance to the king. but worship only goes to God( YHWH)

You're confusing "opinion" with "fact".

 

[kjw47]

You're confusing "opinion" with "fact".

My post is what--the bible teaches.= fact not opinion.

 

[metis]

My post is what--the bible teaches.= fact not opinion.

Scriptures tend to be more subjective than objective, plus symbolism often is used, thus literalistic approaches really don't work out too well.

 

[outhouse]

Yes the Israelites were Gods chosen, Jesus gave them every opportunity--they rejected him and hated him-(Jesus called the teachers--sons of vipers)--sent him to be killed--God cut them off( Matt 23:37-38) the renting of the banner right at Jesus death--signified that fact. God did leave the door open to them---they must accept Jesus as the Messiah-- so a new religion started-- a worldwide brotherhood, united in love and peace. They serve YHWH(Jehovah) as the only true God and accept Jesus as the messiah and do obeisance to the king. but worship only goes to God( YHWH)

This reply is called appealing to ignorance.

You understand nothing of the cultural anthropology and are making one incorrect statement after another quit e blindly.

--they rejected him and hated him

This is false

jesus was a jew, and loved Jews, he only taught and preached to Jews.

This statement was directed to a certain sect of corrupt jews, not all Jews.


Judaism was wide and diverse with many different cultures and types of Judaism.

 

[outhouse]

My post is what--the bible teaches.= fact not opinion.

but your blind to proper context, not having a clue how or why the book were written.


It sounds like you know nothing of a first century Galilean Aramaic Jew.


Do you believe in the flood, and the exodus? if you do, you know nothing about the bible and what is fact and what is not fact.

 

[Christ's Prophet]

Jesus is definitely God. We must always allow God to have His say in His Scriptures, and not read the Scriptures through the coloured glasses of our own pre-conceived ideas. If Jesus is God then He is worthy of worship. One clear example is the scene in Heaven described in Revelation chapter 5:-
6. And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood A LAMB (Jesus Christ) as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
7 And He came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.
8 And when He had taken the book, the FOUR BEASTS AND FOUR AND TWENTY ELDERS FELL DOWN BEFORE THE LAMB, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.
9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof:for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;
12 Saying with a loud voice, WORTHY IS THE LAMB THAT WAS SLAIN TO RECEIVE POWER, AND RICHES, AND WISDOM, AND STRENGTH, AND HONOUR, AND GLORY, AND BLESSING.
13 AND EVERY CREATURE WHICH IS IN HEAVEN, AND ON THE EARTH, AND UNDER THE EARTH, AND SUCH AS ARE IN THE SEA, AND ALL THAT ARE IN THEM, HEARD I SAYING, BLESSING, AND HONOUR, AND GLORY, AND POWER, BE UNTO HIM THAT SITTETH UPON THE THRONE, AND UNTO THE LAMB FOR EVER AND EVER.
14 And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down AND WORSHIPPED HIM (THE LAMB:- CHRIST) THAT LIVETH FOR EVER AND EVER. Emphasis is mine.
This Scripture, alone shows that Jesus is God as He is worthy of worship. Jesus is God and only God is to be worshipped. There are many other Scriptures that supports the argument. Albert Brownsey

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[Tabb]

Yes the Israelites were Gods chosen, Jesus gave them every opportunity--they rejected him and hated him-(Jesus called the teachers--sons of vipers)--sent him to be killed--God cut them off( Matt 23:37-38) the renting of the banner right at Jesus death--signified that fact. God did leave the door open to them---they must accept Jesus as the Messiah-- so a new religion started-- a worldwide brotherhood, united in love and peace. They serve YHWH(Jehovah) as the only true God and accept Jesus as the messiah and do obeisance to the king. but worship only goes to God( YHWH)

You really need to put down the Watch Tower mag and try to read actual history. This need Witnesses have to rewrite history to supplant the Jews as the chosen people with yourselves is so self serving.

I love the way an atheist friend explains the whole cruxifiction to me, he says Jesus died on the cross so that all of men's sins would be forgiven and then he rises from the dead and ascends to heaven, a better place. That kinds of weakens the reasons why he died in the first place.

 

[metis]

Jesus is definitely God. We must always allow God to have His say in His Scriptures, and not read the Scriptures through the coloured glasses of our own pre-conceived ideas. If Jesus is God then He is worthy of worship. One clear example is the scene in Heaven described in Revelation chapter 5:-
6. And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood A LAMB (Jesus Christ) as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
7 And He came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.
8 And when He had taken the book, the FOUR BEASTS AND FOUR AND TWENTY ELDERS FELL DOWN BEFORE THE LAMB, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.
9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof:for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;
12 Saying with a loud voice, WORTHY IS THE LAMB THAT WAS SLAIN TO RECEIVE POWER, AND RICHES, AND WISDOM, AND STRENGTH, AND HONOUR, AND GLORY, AND BLESSING.
13 AND EVERY CREATURE WHICH IS IN HEAVEN, AND ON THE EARTH, AND UNDER THE EARTH, AND SUCH AS ARE IN THE SEA, AND ALL THAT ARE IN THEM, HEARD I SAYING, BLESSING, AND HONOUR, AND GLORY, AND POWER, BE UNTO HIM THAT SITTETH UPON THE THRONE, AND UNTO THE LAMB FOR EVER AND EVER.
14 And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down AND WORSHIPPED HIM (THE LAMB:- CHRIST) THAT LIVETH FOR EVER AND EVER. Emphasis is mine.
This Scripture, alone shows that Jesus is God as He is worthy of worship. Jesus is God and only God is to be worshipped. There are many other Scriptures that supports the argument. Albert Brownsey

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But actually the above does not say that he's God. On top of this, God is not referred to as being a "lamb", and note that in the above that Jesus did "receive power", which implies that the "power" came from some other source, namely God. Again, this more fits the idea of Jesus being of God but not God.

 

[metis]

You really need to put down the Watch Tower mag and try to read actual history. This need Witnesses have to rewrite history to supplant the Jews as the chosen people with yourselves is so self serving.

I love the way an atheist friend explains the whole cruxifiction to me, he says Jesus died on the cross so that all of men's sins would be forgiven and then he rises from the dead and ascends to heaven, a better place. That kinds of weakens the reasons why he died in the first place.

And it would also make God to be a liar since the Torah states on many occasions that His Covenant and Law are "forever" and "perpetual". A fair number of Christian denominations now recognize that the Abrahamic Covenant could not be removed nor the Mosaiic Law that applies only to Jews be rescinded.

 

[Tabb]

Jesus is definitely God. We must always allow God to have His say in His Scriptures, and not read the Scriptures through the coloured glasses of our own pre-conceived ideas. If Jesus is God then He is worthy of worship. One clear example is the scene in Heaven described in Revelation chapter 5:-
6. And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood A LAMB (Jesus Christ) as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
7 And He came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.
8 And when He had taken the book, the FOUR BEASTS AND FOUR AND TWENTY ELDERS FELL DOWN BEFORE THE LAMB, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.
9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof:for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;
12 Saying with a loud voice, WORTHY IS THE LAMB THAT WAS SLAIN TO RECEIVE POWER, AND RICHES, AND WISDOM, AND STRENGTH, AND HONOUR, AND GLORY, AND BLESSING.
13 AND EVERY CREATURE WHICH IS IN HEAVEN, AND ON THE EARTH, AND UNDER THE EARTH, AND SUCH AS ARE IN THE SEA, AND ALL THAT ARE IN THEM, HEARD I SAYING, BLESSING, AND HONOUR, AND GLORY, AND POWER, BE UNTO HIM THAT SITTETH UPON THE THRONE, AND UNTO THE LAMB FOR EVER AND EVER.
14 And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down AND WORSHIPPED HIM (THE LAMB:- CHRIST) THAT LIVETH FOR EVER AND EVER. Emphasis is mine.
This Scripture, alone shows that Jesus is God as He is worthy of worship. Jesus is God and only God is to be worshipped. There are many other Scriptures that supports the argument. Albert Brownsey

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So is he the God of Abraham or is he a new God. If he's the same God of Abraham why are we praying to him with his alias name. If he's a new God how many Gods are there? This is a question begging for an answer. Could you explain this without quoting scripture.

 

[Desert Snake]

Jesus said "I and my Father are one."

Yeah, and more than that. I would like to have the Greek from some verses in Mark, they're coming up, let me find them

 

[metis]

So is he the God of Abraham or is he a new God. If he's the same God of Abraham why are we praying to him with his alias name. If he's a new God how many Gods are there? This is a question begging for an answer. Could you explain this without quoting scripture.

There are roughly 15 names for God found in Torah, and it's quite clear that it's the same God being referred to, although if you go back far enough, let's say back to ancient Sumer, it wasn't always that way.

BTW, I have many names people call me here, but I'm not gonna repeat them.

 

[Tabb]

There are roughly 15 names for God found in Torah, and it's quite clear that it's the same God being referred to, although if you go back far enough, let's say back to ancient Sumer, it wasn't always that way.

BTW, I have many names people call me here, but I'm not gonna repeat them.

My question was really directed at the God status of Yeshua being suggested here. Christion suggestions that God and Jesus being the same entity. That God committed some type of subterfuge to convince the people of his word.

 

[metis]

My question was really directed at the God status of Yeshua being suggested here. Christion suggestions that God and Jesus being the same entity. That God committed some type of subterfuge to convince the people of his word.

Sorry for my mistake, and thanks for the clarification.