Jesus' God ???

[kjw47]

This is saying that Jesus is God. Notice there isn't a separation here.

Jesus in man form isn't the Father, but 'God was with God does make sense, two manifestations, same being.

god-small g is what the Logos( word) is called at John 1:1---carries the meaning---has godlike qualities---because Gods power went through Jesus-Acts 3:19. Jesus taught he could do 0 of his own.( means without that power going through him)

 

[Desert Snake]

Gods power went through Jesus, he can do 0 without it( Acts 3:19)

Jesus taught you--last line-Lords prayer---The kingdom, power, and glory all belong to the Father.

Jesus was a mortal--he was not called Jesus before he came--

1Cor 15:24-28----- no diety is in subjection ever.

This is not Christian doctrine or belief. We believe that Jesus is God, to worship the Son is to worship the Father.

 

[Desert Snake]

god-small g is what the Logos( word) is called at John 1:1---carries the meaning---has godlike qualities---because Gods power went through Jesus-Acts 3:19. Jesus taught he could do 0 of his own.( means without that power going through him)

No, God manifested as man through Jesus, it isn't 'possession' of man. God was part of Jesus since conception, this is abundantly clear in Scripture/Wise men, etc.
You are talking again, about Jesus in man form, but as Deity He is all God

i.e. JHVH/Jesus, Adonai, etc. You fail to see the connections because you are looking for evidence to counter His Godhood.

If we believe your position, for instance, there would be no connection to Deity at all, Jesus would just be another prophet, Christianity has never held this position.

 

[kjw47]

This is not Christian doctrine or belief. We believe that Jesus is God, to worship the Son is to worship the Father.

Every thing I showed is in your bible--yet you say it isn't so---how is that?
Angels do not receive worship.

 

[Desert Snake]

Every thing I showed is in your bible--yet you say it isn't so---how is that?
Angels do not receive worship.

Hmm interesting wording. Did you notice that? You said 'your Bible'

Anyways, the reason, whether you're a believer in Jesus or not, that He is worshipped thusly, is because Jesus was not from inception an angel, or a prophet. Your view seems divine prophet, but that is not what we see when He is worshipped at birth, as a incarnation of God. That is neither indicative of prophet only, or divine prophet, but something else entirely. Hence we don't necessarily have the angel incarnation in that scenario, or merely a teacher receiving the Holy Spirit at baptism, the other scenario.
Btw, it is odd how Jesus could be angelic incarnate, and anointed by John at Baptism at the same time. Does that make sense to you? Angels btw aren't even human, another instance of confusing theology.
The narrative is indicative of God incarnation, hence part God by necessity. The Spirit in Jesus was God's, so we have a Deity in true form, not a man.

 

[kjw47]

Hmm interesting wording. Did you notice that? You said 'your Bible'

Anyways, the reason, whether you're a believer in Jesus or not, that He is worshipped thusly, is because Jesus was not from inception an angel, or a prophet. Your view seems divine prophet, but that is not what we see when He is worshipped at birth, as a incarnation of God. That is neither indicative of prophet only, or divine prophet, but something else entirely. Hence we don't necessarily have the angel incarnation in that scenario, or merely a teacher receiving the Holy Spirit at baptism, the other scenario.
Btw, it is odd how Jesus could be angelic incarnate, and anointed by John at Baptism at the same time. Does that make sense to you? Angels btw aren't even human, another instance of confusing theology.
The narrative is indicative of God incarnation, hence part God by necessity. The Spirit in Jesus was God's, so we have a Deity in true form, not a man.

Then who are Jesus' partners mentioned at Psalm 45:7---if he wasn't one of them?

Did Gods word lie when it teaches---Jesus was made lower than the angels--a mortal.

 

[kjw47]

No, God manifested as man through Jesus, it isn't 'possession' of man. God was part of Jesus since conception, this is abundantly clear in Scripture/Wise men, etc.
You are talking again, about Jesus in man form, but as Deity He is all God

i.e. JHVH/Jesus, Adonai, etc. You fail to see the connections because you are looking for evidence to counter His Godhood.

If we believe your position, for instance, there would be no connection to Deity at all, Jesus would just be another prophet, Christianity has never held this position.

No, not a prophet--the one sent by God--the Messiah--Gods son--not God.

 

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I believe there are those who sail on "Denial" while others like yourself swim in it. I understand it is not a good idea to swim in that river in Egypt.



Consistent with your conclusions.



Obviously more than your illogic can handle.

I believe then, you should know that a tautology is something that is obvious to everyone. Those things that were presented as tautologies were not obvious to me so they are not tautologys.

I believe you are having a rpoblem discerning between speculation and proof. My conclusions are based on logic not speculation.

I believe that you will not be able to prove me illogical.

 

[Desert Snake]

No, not a prophet--the one sent by God--the Messiah--Gods son--not God.

No, not the 'human' messiah. That's why so many Jews are still waiting for the "Messiah". They aren't waiting for the second coming of Jesus.

 

[Desert Snake]

Every thing I showed is in your bible--yet you say it isn't so---how is that?
Angels do not receive worship.

I'm reading something else in my Bible, apparently.

 

[Muffled]

Sounds like a passing reference to Joh 10:30; "I and My Father are one." The Greek word translated "one" is "hen", which means "one in essence," and denotes spiritual unity and accord. If Jesus had intended to reveal that He and the Father were one and the same Being, the Greek word "heis" should have been inspired. Heis is the term which means "one in number" or "one and the same" (1Co 10:17, Eph 4:5-6).

I believe Jesus is not one and the same because He has a body and the Father does not.

I believe the Spirit in Jesus is the same Spirit as the Father and therefore the same essence.

I believe the Spirit of God manages the mind of the body. Thus when Jesus speaks God speaks as Jesus says Himself in John 10.

 

[Muffled]

Sounds like an excellent description. For me, Jesus is a god worthy of worship but not The God. The Father is the King of the universe, Jesus the Prime Minister.

I believe the Qu'ran is correct in saying that Jesus would never call Himself a god. I believe God would never denigrate Himself in that way.

 

[Desert Snake]

god-small g is what the Logos( word) is called at John 1:1---carries the meaning---has godlike qualities---because Gods power went through Jesus-Acts 3:19. Jesus taught he could do 0 of his own.( means without that power going through him)

You can't have it both ways. You are telling me that Jesus is an angel, then in the next sentence telling me that Jesus was made lower than the Angels.

'Elohim'= God & the Host (Angels). Seems like we are meant to be worshipping the entire Godhead.

 

[Desert Snake]

I believe the Qu'ran is correct in saying that Jesus would never call Himself a god. I believe God would never denigrate Himself in that way.

Jesus didn't "denigrate Himself".

 

[kjw47]

You can't have it both ways. You are telling me that Jesus is an angel, then in the next sentence telling me that Jesus was made lower than the Angels.

'Elohim'= God & the Host (Angels). Seems like we are meant to be worshipping the entire Godhead.

There is no godhead---Jesus, Paul, John all teach--Jesus has a God= his Father( John 20:17, Rev 3:12,,,,2Cor 1:3,, 1Cor 8:6,,1Cor 15:24-28,,,,Rev 1:6Father =Jehovah=psalm 83:18-- all in agreement.

 

[Muffled]

Jesus didn't "denigrate Himself".

I believe that is because He never called Himself a god.

 

[Muffled]

There is no godhead---Jesus, Paul, John all teach--Jesus has a God= his Father( John 20:17, Rev 3:12,,,,2Cor 1:3,, 1Cor 8:6,,1Cor 15:24-28,,,,Rev 1:6Father =Jehovah=psalm 83:18-- all in agreement.

I believe godhead to be a strange term. What does it mean? By context it appears to mean all of God and not God understood in one place or time.

 

[kjw47]

You can't have it both ways. You are telling me that Jesus is an angel, then in the next sentence telling me that Jesus was made lower than the Angels.

'Elohim'= God & the Host (Angels). Seems like we are meant to be worshipping the entire Godhead.

As a mortal --was made lower than the angels.

Moses wrote the word Elohim---- Moses and every Israelite after him , to this day---serve a single being mono God named YHVH( Jehovah)( while serving the true God)-- He did not use Elohim as gods---he used it as majestic( plural in comparison to a mortal king)( Elohim has more than a single meaning)--- Moses would not use gods when he served a single being God.

 

[Muffled]

As a mortal --was made lower than the angels.

Moses wrote the word Elohim---- Moses and every Israelite after him , to this day---serve a single being mono God named YHVH( Jehovah)( while serving the true God)-- He did not use Elohim as gods---he used it as majestic( plural in comparison to a mortal king)( Elohim has more than a single meaning)--- Moses would not use gods when he served a single being God.

I believe there is no evidence that Jesus was eveer an angel before becoming a mortal and an immortal. By His own words He is God in the flesh.

 

[kjw47]

You can't have it both ways. You are telling me that Jesus is an angel, then in the next sentence telling me that Jesus was made lower than the Angels.

'Elohim'= God & the Host (Angels). Seems like we are meant to be worshipping the entire Godhead.

Made lower than the angels as a mortal.
Elohim = Majestic--when used by Moses, a servant of a single being Mono God named YHWH(Jehovah)--he never would contradict the true God.
Fact = from Moses on up--every Israelite that served the true God, served YHWH(Jehovah) a single being mono God--the God taught in every synagogue from the first one built until now--The God taught to Jesus his first 30 years--and with his zeal for truth and his Father--he would have refuted that teaching. But he didn't.