Jesus is God?

[Pure-Truth]

but cant fully set us free until the destruction of satan.

Which was created by some entity that is suppose to know all pertaining to a perfect plan, and when all is referenced with a perfect plan, suggests the future is already and in fact has always been known and in fact this is stressed in the bible, in fact if we are to consider the bible as the word of God, every single event, every action, every sin must have already been known if indeed claimed god knows everything, which if we move on to when poor little Mary was seeded, even that should have been known if it were indeed based on a perfect plan that needs to follow as per perfectly planned, which then begs the question why all the previous displeasure's, resulting in wiping and smiting and or flooding? Yeah the Bibles gawd sure is one piece of work, if it already knew exactly what Satan's actions were to be! But what the hey! It was still created anyway, as its to do with everything that is to pan out with that pesky free will, justifying the displeasure's experienced an in so doing caused wiping, smiting and or destruction, aside from the fact that it indeed does not know all, YES?

Oh and seeing how I mentioned Mary and the resulting glorified half breed, I wonder how the genetics was ever possible? And more to a valid and or invalid point with respects to evolution, what did this mutant look like? Aboriginal, African or Asian?
come to think of it what race is in line of NOAH?, Adam and Eve?, and if I may how about the biblical gawd? what race truely follows in the image of claimed creator of mankind?

That's another dozen or so nails for Christianities coffin, YES?.. :sad:

Cheers,

Pete..

 

[lockyfan]

Which was created by some entity that is suppose to know all pertaining to a perfect plan, and when all is referenced with a perfect plan, suggests the future is already and in fact has always been known and in fact this is stressed in the bible, in fact if we are to consider the bible as the word of God, every single event, every action, every sin must have already been known if indeed claimed god knows everything, which if we move on to when poor little Mary was seeded, even that should have been known if it were indeed based on a perfect plan that needs to follow as per perfectly planned,

Has the ability to read hearts. But hearts can change. Good was in Adam and Eves heart, then satan twisted it with his les and hello. Adam and eve sinned.

The future of this system is also already known, through the bible. God however does not intervene right now because satan has to have time to make his point. That humans are better off without God ruling them.

Well as we can see, the world has not got God ruling over them now, so it is proving satan wrong through the actions of mankind today without God ruling over them.

Also what do you mean it was needed to be known that MAry was seeded? There are scriptures that point to the Messiah being born to a virgin. These were created hundreds of years before the event took place.

which then begs the question why all the previous displeasure's, resulting in wiping and smiting and or flooding? Yeah the Bibles gawd sure is one piece of work, if it already knew exactly what Satan's actions were to be!

He had to do the flooding, and smiting. If the people were unresponsive to God's wrd and truth, do you expect him to continue forever with the world in a mess? We are still awaiting Armageddon now, which is going to be much bigger than the flood.

But what the hey! It was still created anyway, as its to do with everything that is to pan out with that pesky free will, justifying the displeasure's experienced an in so doing caused wiping, smiting and or destruction, aside from the fact that it indeed does not know all, YES?

Satan was created a perfect spirit creature, an Angel, who decided for himself he wanted more.
People even now have the choice, even if we are imperfect and sin, we still have free will as the choice. Live by Gods Word or not, it is each individuals choice whichever they choose.

Oh and seeing how I mentioned Mary and the resulting glorified half breed, I wonder how the genetics was ever possible? And more to a valid and or invalid point with respects to evolution, what did this mutant look like? Aboriginal, African or Asian?
come to think of it what race is in line of NOAH?, Adam and Eve?, and if I may how about the biblical gawd? what race truely follows in the image of claimed creator of mankind?

Because man was created in Gods Image.

We know from Genesis that Angels could change into humans and breed with the women, but in hte case of Jesus, his life was just transferred from heaven into Marys womb from being and Angel to being a Human. No half breed there.

What are you talking about races for?

If you look at the human body it adapts to its surroundings. so people from hot places with lots of sun end up with dark skin. Does not mean that they were dark skinned before or were created like that, they adapt not evolve but adapt. Or at least skin colour does anyway. One of the beautiful things that Jehovah has created within humans.

That's another dozen or so nails for Christianities coffin, YES?.. :sad:
Cheers,
Pete..

No actually it is another dozen or so nails in the coffin of Babylon the Great. Yet further proof of why religion should be destroyed along with Satan.

 

[yrgo]

Greetings, Muffled!



Tiapan (#516):

Jesus a human = God a non human

Don't sound right to me by definition.

Cheers



Muffled (#518):

This is an argument that Muslims like to make. I disagree with your definitions.

Jesus is a human. This is only partially true in that Jesus had a human body but the spirit within is the Spirit of God. Humans that are not divine also have a human body but they aso have a human spirit.

God is not a human. This is true as God is a spirit. However the human Jesus is a subset of God because He is God in a body. You might as well say that humans that have a human spirit are not really human either since their natural state is spiritual. However we do not define humans as not having a body but as having a body despite what their natural state is, so it is perfectly legitimate to refer to God as human as well.



TIAPAN'S REASONING (according to yrgo):

　
1. "'God is spirit . . . '" (Jn 4.24)

2. "' . . . a spirit does not have flesh and bones . . . '" (Lk 24.39, NASB)

3. Jesus had "flesh and bones." (Lk 24.39)

4. Not being "a spirit," Jesus was NOT "God," who is "spirit."



TIAPAN'S POINT (according to yrgo):

　
God is NOT human; (A ≠ B)

therefore, no human can be God. (B ≠ A)

Jesus was human; (C = B)

therefore, Jesus was NOT God. (C ≠ A)



MUFFLED'S REASONING (according to yrgo):
　
　
1.
God = spirit (NO human body + NO human spirit)
　
2.
Jesus = human body + Spirit of God
a human = human body + human spirit
　
3.
Jesus = Spirit of God ("God in a body")
a human = human spirit ("natural state")
　
4.
Jesus = Spirit of God
a human = human spirit
　
5.
Jesus = God (NOT human)
a human = spiritual being (NOT human being)

　
6.
　
IF
a nonhuman spiritual being can be called "human,"
THEN
a nonhuman "God [the Son]" may also be called "human."



yrgo's FIRST PROBLEM WITH MUFFLED'S REASONING:


Jesus = human body + Spirit of God
　

　
SAYS yrgo:

　
Jesus
=
body
+
Jesus' own supremely displaced "spirit within him" (1Co 2.11, NIV)
+
an astounding measure of the Spirit of God (Jn 3.34; Col 1.19),
that is to say,
of the "Will" or "Mental Power" (Force and Influence) by which God actualizes his will (plans/purposes) for his works.
　
　
　
NOTE:

　
Muffled,

If you were "pleased to have all . . . [your] "fullness dwell in" (a) an ant and were "at work in" one, "enabling" it "both to will and to work for your good pleasure" (b)—just as "the Father" was "at work in" Jesus (c) and "enabling" him (d)—

WOULD THAT ANT ACTUALLY BE YOU?

--OR--

WOULD YOU YOURSELF BE AN ANT?

(a) Col 1.19, NIV　
(b) Php 2.13, NRSV
(c) cf. Jn 14.10
(d) cf. Ac 10.38
　
　
　
All the best to you!

 

[Caladan]

I know that there are a good many christians out their who believe that those who follow the jewish religion need to be saved because they do not worship Jesus.

There is something twisted about it, if not for the Jewish apostles, people in the west would still be heathens, it is a grave ignorance among Christians of the early roots of their faith. if some Jews are OK with the monotheistic version of Christianity despite its many deviations from the original Jewish faith, then some Christians should appreciate the ancient monotheism Jews have been practicing for thousands of years, centuries before the Jewish apostles wore out their sandals in the streets of Rome and Antioch.

 

[Tiapan]

This is an argument that Muslims like to make. I disagree with your definitions.

Jesus is a human. This is only partially true in that Jesus had a human body but the spirit within is the Spirit of God. Humans that are not divine also have a human body but they aso have a human spirit.

God is not a human. This is true as God is a spirit. However the human Jesus is a subset of God because He is God in a body. You might as well say that humans that have a human spirit are not really human either since their natural state is spiritual.
However we do not define humans as not having a body but as having a body despit what their natural state is, so it is perfectly legitimate to refer to God as human as well.

Well I'm definitely not 12th century Muslim or 19th century christian which is the level I view both religions on an evolutionary scale compared with 21st century reality. Now the question arises around definitions. Is the soul, better known as consciousness, the product of evolutionary chaotic rationalization (the point I agree with) or the result of an irrational process like God. So god spirit vs human spirit vs life spirit seem inseparable. They are the same thing.

Cheers

 

[Pure-Truth]

Has the ability to read hearts. But hearts can change. Good was in Adam and Eves heart, then Satan twisted it with his les and hello. Adam and eve sinned.

The future of this system is also already known, through the bible. God however does not intervene right now because Satan has to have time to make his point. That humans are better off without God ruling them.

Interesting, prey tell why are humans better of without this fictitious gawd?

Well as we can see, the world has not got God ruling over them now, so it is proving Satan wrong through the actions of mankind today without God ruling over them.

Also what do you mean it was needed to be known that Mary was seeded? There are scriptures that point to the Messiah being born to a virgin. These were created hundreds of years before the event took place.



He had to do the flooding, and smiting. If the people were unresponsive to God's word and truth, do you expect him to continue forever with the world in a mess? We are still awaiting Armageddon now, which is going to be much bigger than the flood.

Satan was created a perfect spirit creature, an Angel, who decided for himself he wanted more.
People even now have the choice, even if we are imperfect and sin, we still have free will as the choice. Live by Gods Word or not, it is each individuals choice whichever they choose.

Because man was created in Gods Image.

Interesting? which race then has the right to claim that one, Aboriginal, African or Asians?

We know from Genesis that Angels could change into humans and breed with the women, but in the case of Jesus, his life was just transferred from heaven into Marys womb from being and Angel to being a Human. No half breed there.

Lets consider whether such an event is deemed as significant, significant enough that when a Perfect plan is being planned in readiness for such an event to be possible, what do you think would need to lead from when claimed gawd was declaring the creation of Adam was very good, to the time of when said Virgin much later needs to spew forth what you so elegantly expressed?

Having considered all those events leading to that event, lets consider if that event was planned, wouldn't it be obvious, that Virgin and what she spewed out must have already been known.. only problem is if everything is to go as has been planned, every single event is at the mercy of this plan, no ifs and no buts, if we are to take the bible seriously perceived free will is in fact restricted to adhere to claimed perfect plan..

What are you talking about races for?

If you look at the human body it adapts to its surroundings. so people from hot places with lots of sun end up with dark skin. Does not mean that they were dark skinned before or were created like that, they adapt not evolve but adapt. Or at least skin colour does anyway. One of the beautiful things that Jehovah has created within humans.

Here are the defintions for Adapt & Evolve
if we care to follow up on the two definitions, and then consider existing races one has to wonder why evolution is problematic, with respects to the fiction contained in the bible..

No actually it is another dozen or so nails in the coffin of Babylon the Great. Yet further proof of why religion should be destroyed along with Satan.

In closing, it is obvious I have to really dumb down the following..

And lets take really tiny baby steps :- Claimed biblical gawd, is claimed to be ALL Knowing, stop reading and concentrate on getting the definition ALL in its right perspective and or context, let me kindly provide a link for you..

Definition of ALL <- Now before we can move on, I ask what do you think the definition ALL implicates and or suggests in context of an ALL knowing Gawd?
The conclusion can only be every single action and or event is the biblical gawds fault!

its just as well the bible is just a pile of wasted paper that makes references to a fictitious entity, other wise all what is possible would be just a pointless experiement..

2~Duh~Loo!

Pete..

 

[roddio]

What did Jesus do that God wouldve done different? God bless

 

[yrgo]

Greetings, roddio!

&#12288;
roddio (#527):

What did Jesus do that God wouldve done different? God bless

&#12288;
yrgo:
&#12288;
On the one hand, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

Jesus did God's will (a); obviously, God Himself would do the same.

&#12288;
On the other hand, PROBABLY VERY LITTLE.

Incarnated "to redeem those under law" (b), God Himself would, no doubt, teach and heal and suffer and die in much the same way as Jesus was "led by the Spirit" (c) to do.
&#12288;
(a) Jn 14.31a (8.29); 4.34, NIV
(b) Gal 4.5, NIV
(c) Mt 4.1; cf. (Jn 3.34) "the Spirit" = (Jn 8.28) "the Father"

&#12288;
All the best to you, roddio!

 

[roddio]

Greetings to you yrgo and I hope all is well with you. I appreciate the response and hope to chat further with you, stay blessed. God bless

 

[lockyfan]

Jesus is the perfect reflection of his father. He did what Jehovah wanted him to do.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

I

Having considered all those events leading to that event, lets consider if that event was planned, wouldn't it be obvious, that Virgin and what she spewed out must have already been known.. only problem is if everything is to go as has been planned, every single event is at the mercy of this plan, no ifs and no buts, if we are to take the bible seriously perceived free will is in fact restricted to adhere to claimed perfect plan..

I've actually raised this before. This is one of the reasons I'm a non-believer. Why would an omniscient even bother?

Why would an omniscient create us according to its plan but punish us if we deviate from it? How could we even be deviating from it? Wouldn't it be the plan for us to be doing exactly what we are doing?

There should be no such thing, in the omniscience's view, of us doing (right, wrong, good, evil, sin, righteousness).....since we are from the designer and this is how it designed it...knowing full well the outcome of its plan.

Truly a "God Paradox"....

OR...."God" is insane....creating everything, destroying it (flood - if you believe that) only to do it all over again and expect a different outcome.

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Albert Einstein

 

[yrgo]

Dirty Penguin (#531):


" . . . Why would an omniscient create us according to its plan but punish us if we deviate from it? How could we even be deviating from it? Wouldn't it be the plan for us to be doing exactly what we are doing?

There should be no such thing, in the omniscience's view, of us doing (right, wrong, good, evil, sin, righteousness).....since we are from the designer and this is how it designed it...knowing full well the outcome of its plan. . . . "


&#12288;
&#12288;
"THREE POSSIBILITIES," says :


(1)

GOD IS MAKING THE MOVIE:

God wrote a novel and is now making that novel into a major motion picture (real life). The novel being far more important to God than the movie, everything in the movie must line up perfectly with what is in the book. And God is making ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN that everything does! God wrote the script and is sticking to it. Everything that happens in this life and in this world must be in accordance with God's will.

THERE IS NO FREE WILL, AND THERE ARE NO SUPRISES FOR THE DEITY.


(2)

GOD SAW THE MOVIE:

Before God made the earth, He saw a movie portraying world history and became completely aware of how the human drama would unfold, thoroughly familiar with all of the characters in the story, and perfectly knowledgeable as to what would become of each person as a result of his or her own choices. The movie which God saw "before the world began" (2Ti 1.9, KJV) is now being played out in real life, and God is not forcing anyone to do anything; however, having seen the picture, God has known from the beginning of time exactly how each person is going to exercise his or her free will.

THERE IS FREE WILL, BUT THERE ARE NO SURPRISES FOR THE DEITY.



(3)

GOD IS SEEING THE MOVIE FOR THE FIRST TIME:

Being Omniscient where only He Himself ("Reality") is concerned, God made the earth and humankind without any guarantee that everything would turn out well. God cannot say with absolute certainty what is going to happen. Short of infringing upon the right of human beings to self-determination, God is doing all that He can to get people saved; however, free will always gets to have the last word.

THERE IS "FREE WILL," AND THERE ARE ALWAYS SURPRISES FOR THE DEITY.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Dirty Penguin (#531):


" . . . Why would an omniscient create us according to its plan but punish us if we deviate from it? How could we even be deviating from it? Wouldn't it be the plan for us to be doing exactly what we are doing?

There should be no such thing, in the omniscience's view, of us doing (right, wrong, good, evil, sin, righteousness).....since we are from the designer and this is how it designed it...knowing full well the outcome of its plan. . . . "


&#12288;
&#12288;
"THREE POSSIBILITIES," says :


(1)

GOD IS MAKING THE MOVIE:

God wrote a novel and is now making that novel into a major motion picture (real life). The novel being far more important to God than the movie, everything in the movie must line up perfectly with what is in the book. And God is making ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN that everything does! God wrote the script and is sticking to it. Everything that happens in this life and in this world must be in accordance with God's will.

THERE IS NO FREE WILL, AND THERE ARE NO SUPRISES FOR THE DEITY.


(2)

GOD SAW THE MOVIE:

Before God made the earth, He saw a movie portraying world history and became completely aware of how the human drama would unfold, thoroughly familiar with all of the characters in the story, and perfectly knowledgeable as to what would become of each person as a result of his or her own choices. The movie which God saw "before the world began" (2Ti 1.9, KJV) is now being played out in real life, and God is not forcing anyone to do anything; however, having seen the picture, God has known from the beginning of time exactly how each person is going to exercise his or her free will.

THERE IS FREE WILL, BUT THERE ARE NO SURPRISES FOR THE DEITY.



(3)

GOD IS SEEING THE MOVIE FOR THE FIRST TIME:

Being Omniscient where only He Himself ("Reality") is concerned, God made the earth and humankind without any guarantee that everything would turn out well. God cannot say with absolute certainty what is going to happen. Short of infringing upon the right of human beings to self-determination, God is doing all that He can to get people saved; however, free will always gets to have the last word.

THERE IS "FREE WILL," AND THERE ARE ALWAYS SURPRISES FOR THE DEITY.

Or the obvious....


There are NO gods and man is just making it up as he goes along....

 

[yrgo]

Or the obviously NOT....


THERE IS NO FREE WILL, BUT THERE ARE ALWAYS SURPRISES FOR THE DEITY.

 

[Muffled]

Define spirit and as to how it is possible please?

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born anew. 8 The wind bloweth where it will, and thou hearest the voice thereof, but knowest not whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Jesus likens the spirit to the wind. It has the ability to travel, has a will (that implies intelligence) and has a voice but it can't be seen with the naked eye. I believe in the case of the wind the voice you hear is the affect it has on material things. The spirit also can have an affect on material things ie. healing the ill.

 

[Muffled]

Greetings, Muffled!



Tiapan (#516):

Jesus a human = God a non human

Don't sound right to me by definition.

Cheers



Muffled (#518):

This is an argument that Muslims like to make. I disagree with your definitions.

Jesus is a human. This is only partially true in that Jesus had a human body but the spirit within is the Spirit of God. Humans that are not divine also have a human body but they aso have a human spirit.

God is not a human. This is true as God is a spirit. However the human Jesus is a subset of God because He is God in a body. You might as well say that humans that have a human spirit are not really human either since their natural state is spiritual. However we do not define humans as not having a body but as having a body despite what their natural state is, so it is perfectly legitimate to refer to God as human as well.



TIAPAN'S REASONING (according to yrgo):

&#12288;
1. "'God is spirit . . . '" (Jn 4.24)

2. "' . . . a spirit does not have flesh and bones . . . '" (Lk 24.39, NASB)

3. Jesus had "flesh and bones." (Lk 24.39)

4. Not being "a spirit," Jesus was NOT "God," who is "spirit."



TIAPAN'S POINT (according to yrgo):

&#12288;
God is NOT human; (A &#8800; B)

therefore, no human can be God. (B &#8800; A)

Jesus was human; (C = B)

therefore, Jesus was NOT God. (C &#8800; A)



MUFFLED'S REASONING (according to yrgo):
&#12288;
&#12288;
1.
God = spirit (NO human body + NO human spirit)
&#12288;
2.
Jesus = human body + Spirit of God
a human = human body + human spirit
&#12288;
3.
Jesus = Spirit of God ("God in a body")
a human = human spirit ("natural state")
&#12288;
4.
Jesus = Spirit of God
a human = human spirit
&#12288;
5.
Jesus = God (NOT human)
a human = spiritual being (NOT human being)

&#12288;
6.
&#12288;
IF
a nonhuman spiritual being can be called "human,"
THEN
a nonhuman "God [the Son]" may also be called "human."



yrgo's FIRST PROBLEM WITH MUFFLED'S REASONING:


Jesus = human body + Spirit of God
&#12288;

&#12288;
SAYS yrgo:

&#12288;
Jesus
=
body
+
Jesus' own supremely displaced "spirit within him" (1Co 2.11, NIV)
+
an astounding measure of the Spirit of God (Jn 3.34; Col 1.19),
that is to say,
of the "Will" or "Mental Power" (Force and Influence) by which God actualizes his will (plans/purposes) for his works.
&#12288;
&#12288;
&#12288;
NOTE:

&#12288;
Muffled,

If you were "pleased to have all . . . [your] "fullness dwell in" (a) an ant and were "at work in" one, "enabling" it "both to will and to work for your good pleasure" (b)—just as "the Father" was "at work in" Jesus (c) and "enabling" him (d)—

WOULD THAT ANT ACTUALLY BE YOU?

--OR--

WOULD YOU YOURSELF BE AN ANT?

(a) Col 1.19, NIV&#12288;
(b) Php 2.13, NRSV
(c) cf. Jn 14.10
(d) cf. Ac 10.38
&#12288;
&#12288;
&#12288;
All the best to you!

I don't agree that you have correctly assessed my logic but I appreciate the attempt.

I am not sure what you are saying here.

I am who I am (by the grace of God) wherever I am. However the human body offers similarities to my spiritual state in that the body (mind) has a will and a voice. It provides me with a physical way to reveal my identity. An ant can't do that for me. How would a person know me from one life to the next since the body changes? It is the personality expressed through will and voice, is it not?

 

[Muffled]

Well I'm definitely not 12th century Muslim or 19th century christian which is the level I view both religions on an evolutionary scale compared with 21st century reality. Now the question arises around definitions. Is the soul, better known as consciousness, the product of evolutionary chaotic rationalization (the point I agree with) or the result of an irrational process like God. So god spirit vs human spirit vs life spirit seem inseparable. They are the same thing.

Cheers

21st century reality is more like first century Roman degradation.

People tend to define soul as spirit not consciousness but the Bible defines it as the union of spirit and body. Granted that the spirit is conscious but then so is the mind of the body which perishes but the spirit does not perish.

Consciousness of mind can't develop a spirit whether evolutionary or not.

God is not a process or irrational.

This not only doesn't follow from your false premises but the evidence completely contradicts it as well.

 

[yrgo]

Greetings, Muffled!
&#12288;
&#12288;
Muffled (#536):

"I don't agree that you [Post 523] have correctly assessed my logic [Post 518] but I appreciate the attempt."


yrgo:

Enjoyed making the attempt.

&#12288;
Muffled (#536):

"I am not sure what you are saying here."

&#12288;
yrgo:
&#12288;

In Post #518, you said:

"Jesus is a human. This is only partially true in that Jesus had a human body but the spirit within is the Spirit of God."

&#12288;
Elsewhere in the same post, you said:

"God is not a human. This is true as God is a spirit. However the human Jesus is a subset of God because He is God in a body."

&#12288;
QUESTION:

&#12288;
Was "the man Christ Jesus" (a) an Incarnation of THE FATHER HIMSELF (b) or was "the man Christ Jesus" an incarnation of a Being OTHER THAN THE FATHER (c)?


(a) 1Ti 2.5; cf. Ac 2.22

(b) "human body + Spirit of God" (#523)

(c) a human body + a Being other than the Father + "the Spirit of . . . [the] Father" (Mt 10.20)
&#12288;

&#12288;
Muffled (#536):

I am who I am (by the grace of God) wherever I am. However the human body offers similarities to my spiritual state in that the body (mind) has a will and a voice. It provides me with a physical way to reveal my identity. An ant can't do that for me. How would a person know me from one life to the next since the body changes? It is the personality expressed through will and voice, is it not?
&#12288;

yrgo:

&#12288;
God is who He is . . . wherever He is.

And a human being with both "a will and a voice" could provide God "with a physical way to reveal . . . [his] identity."

&#12288;
[NOTE: Talk of "a will and a voice" means that the ant analogy cannot be used.]


Through the speech and actions of a human being, God could express his own "personality."
&#12288;
&#12288;

QUESTIONS:

&#12288;
If God were to anoint a human being "with the Holy Spirit and power" (Ac 10.38, NIV),

WOULD THAT HUMAN BEING ACTUALLY BE GOD?

&#12288;
If God were to anoint a human being "with the Holy Spirit and power,"

WOULD GOD HIMSELF ACTUALLY BE A HUMAN BEING?

&#12288;
&#12288;
All the best to you, Muffled!
&#12288;

 

[Muffled]

Greetings, Muffled!
&#12288;
&#12288;
QUESTION:&#12288;
Was "the man Christ Jesus" (a) an Incarnation of THE FATHER HIMSELF (b) or was "the man Christ Jesus" an incarnation of a Being OTHER THAN THE FATHER (c)?
QUESTIONS:&#12288;
If God were to anoint a human being "with the Holy Spirit and power" (Ac 10.38, NIV),
WOULD THAT HUMAN BEING ACTUALLY BE GOD?&#12288;
If God were to anoint a human being "with the Holy Spirit and power,"
WOULD GOD HIMSELF ACTUALLY BE A HUMAN BEING?&#12288;
All the best to you, Muffled!
&#12288;

a) 18:19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, even God.
b) Heb 4:15 For we have not a high priest that cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but one that hath been in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

This is the case with Christians. We are God in the flesh also but to varying degrees because of our imperfection. So the answer is no becasue we are not capable of being as good as God.

Yes and no. Yes, God is a human being in the sense that He has a human body but no, because if you are talking about the eseential nature of God rather than temporal nature, He is spirit.

 

[yrgo]

Greetings, Muffled!
&#12288;


yrgo (#538):

Was "the man Christ Jesus" (a) an Incarnation of THE FATHER HIMSELF (b) or was "the man Christ Jesus" an incarnation of a Being OTHER THAN THE FATHER (c)?

(a) 1Ti 2.5; cf. Ac 2.22
(b) "human body + Spirit of God" (#523)
(c) a human body + a Being other than the Father + "the Spirit of . . . [the] Father" (Mt 10.20)


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Muffled (#539):

a) 18:19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, even God.
b) Heb 4:15 For we have not a high priest ["IN SERVICE TO GOD" (Heb 2.17, modified NIV)] that cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but one that hath been in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.



Muffled's point (according to yrgo):

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"Jesus said, 'Don't call me good. Only God is good, and I am NOT He.'" (Lk 18.19, yrgo's Audacious Version)
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HOWEVER,
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Jesus is NOT BAD (Heb 4.15), which, to Muffled's way of thinking, means that Jesus is PHENOMENALLY GOOD, PREEMINENTLY GOOD IN HIS OWN RIGHT.
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If only God is SUPREMELY, SUPERLATIVELY GOOD, and Jesus is NOT BAD, then Jesus IS God.
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yrgo's Amazement:
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Muffled, "'Do you not know? Have you not heard? Has it not been told you from the beginning? Have you not understood since the earth was founded?" (a)

It was only "THROUGH THE ETERNAL SPIRIT" (b) that Jesus was able to offer "Himself WITHOUT BLEMISH" (c), to offer "himself unblemished TO GOD"! (d)

It was only "because GOD WAS WITH . . . [Jesus]" (e) and had "anointed Jesus . . . with the Holy Spirit and power" (e) that Jesus was able to go around "doing good." (e)

(a) Isa 40.21, NIV
(b) Heb 9.14
(c) Heb 9.14, modified NASB
(d) Heb 9.14
(e) Ac 10.38, modified NIV
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yrgo (#538):
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If God were to anoint a human being "with the Holy Spirit and power" (Ac 10.38, NIV),

WOULD THAT HUMAN BEING ACTUALLY BE GOD?
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Muffled (#539):

This is the case with Christians. We are God in the flesh also but to varying degrees because of our imperfection. So the answer is no becasue we are not capable of being as good as God.
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yrgo:
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Asked if a human being anointed BY GOD "with the Holy Spirit and power" would actually BE GOD, you answered "no" and called attention to the fact that human beings "are not capable of being as good as God."

Asked the same question, yrgo, too, would answer in the negative, perhaps adding some comment to the effect that "this all-surpassing power is FROM GOD and not from us." (2Co 4.7, modified NIV; cf. 2Co 3.5)

Both responses would be correct, Muffled, but you will not be at all surprised to learn that a certain expression you used is setting off some alarm bells.

I am, of course, referring to the phrase "We are God in the flesh."

As you probably know, a "predicate nominative" is a NOUN (or pronoun) that comes after a verb and renames the subject of the verb.

"We are God in the flesh," you wrote.

The word "We" is the subject, and the word "God" is the predicate nominative renaming US!!!

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In connection with your statement, the scripture that comes to mind is 2 Corinthians 5.19.

In the NASB, that verse says "that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself . . . "

In the apostle Paul's place, would you have chosen to write instead "that Christ WAS GOD reconciling the world to Himself"?

You could, I suppose, justify (just barely) such a shuddersome wording—perhaps by citing JOHN 14.8-10 [= Ro 8.11; 1Jn 3.24 (Eph 2.22)] OR COLOSSIANS 2.9 (= Jn 3.34)—but such language would surely put you at serious risk of being GROSSLY MISUNDERSTOOD.
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yrgo (#538):
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If God were to anoint a human being "with the Holy Spirit and power,"

WOULD GOD HIMSELF ACTUALLY BE A HUMAN BEING?



Muffled (#539):

Yes and no. Yes, God is a human being in the sense that He has a human body but no, because if you are talking about the eseential nature of God rather than temporal nature, He is spirit.



yrgo:

" . . . God is a human being . . . "?

" . . . God . . . has a human body . . . "?

"Verily, verily, I say unto thee" (a), such language is ALTOGETHER TOO IMPRECISE, Muffled.

"The God and Father of the Lord Jesus" (b) IS NOT "a human being" and DOES NOT have "a human body."

(a) Jn 3 (KJV)
(b) 2Co 11.31
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All the best to you!