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In case you ever were wondering if Jesus ever claimed to be God I found a really in depth website article that might help.
http://www.muslimhope.com/JesusIsGod.htm
http://www.muslimhope.com/JesusIsGod.htm
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Jesus (pbuh) never claim to be, that's authors claims.In case you ever were wondering if Jesus ever claimed to be God I found a really in depth website article that might help.
http://www.muslimhope.com/JesusIsGod.htm
Jesus (pbuh) never claim to be, that's authors claims.
after dozens of Prophets that he sent, why he should sent him-self !
All of those statements can't be taken seriously because New Testament was written many years later so you can't really expect that those are accurate quotes of the Yeshua ﷺ.
Would you believe a group of people who claim that a human was god and picked by hand that which will be considered as the word of God or believe the actual word of God (hint: Quran) which states the opposite? I'm surprised that so many Christians can't see the issue in their belief - a "hybrid" of men & god, making statues of him and paintings then worship it (or either to visualise to what they are talking to, no much difference in my opinion), use pagan symbols (hint: cross was used by Rome who was pretty much pagan, fertility symbols for Easter, etc.), pray to people they claim to be holy and hold powers equal to God (e.g praying to St. Peter to help you with some sickness or to some other saint to protect you on your trip), let's skip the prayers to angels & archangels because that goes same for saints, etc.. etc... Trinity is not nature of God, it was made up by humans to fit their needs to make Yeshua a god and control the mass more easily. God is one, He stated that multiple times throughout the Torah & Quran.
That's way too early. Many scholars put it at the end of the 1st or beginning of the 2nd century, and those scholars who feel it's earlier tend to feel it's closer to 70 c.e.The book of James what's written as early as the year 45 AD.
The book of James what's written as early as the year 45 AD.
That website does not represent Islam opinion on Jesus (pbuh).Maybe you should read the article.
In historical copies of the Bible, Jesus never even insinuates this relationship. He refers to God as his father, but by Christian conception that would be true for every human on the earth. He never says he is God, part of a trinity, or any such nonsense in the old texts. These things are only agreed upon in some way after the First Council of Nicea and that only happens 325 years after Jesus.
Past that time, all Bibles were re-written to reflect these notions... In terms of authenticity, on a historical basis, they are just an outright lie. Jesus himself never made any claim to these things, and there is no biblical basis for the assertions except for the heavy editing and butchering of the original texts. So, if antiquity can prove Jesus is not God then any delusion that this is the case is some sort of delusion isn't it?
Christians are basically practicing idolatry and placing another God in front of Yahweh, in essence, directly breaking God's word.
Awkward moment when druid* knows more about Yeshua ﷺ than a person who is Christian**.
*No insult was intended in any way with this statement, I just didn't expect for a druid to know this much about Christianity
** Conclusion based on username & previous threads
Where are the artifacts at?The book of James what's written as early as the year 45 AD.
Where are the artifacts at?
In case you ever were wondering if Jesus ever claimed to be God........
And yet your comments are academically worthless.My interests are mostly academic in this case, ...
Would you mind providing a reference to these 'originals'?Ultimately, it just comes down to how important the book is to your beliefs, but don't act like you speak for the teachings when you assert concepts which are not part of the originals.
And yet your comments are academically worthless.
Would you mind providing a reference to these 'originals'?
Gospel writer John wrote at Revelation 1:5; Revelation 3:14 B - that Jesus is the beginning of the creation by God.
Since God is the un-created Creator and had No beginning - Psalms 90:2 - then only God was ' before ' the beginning.
Jesus was Not ' before ' the beginning as God was before the beginning.
Jesus was clear about who he was by his answer at John 10:36 that he is the Son of God.
Jesus taught that his Father is greater than all - John 10:29
and that his Father is greater than Jesus - John 14:28
The writing of the New Testament was actually vetted by the believers themselves and was written using first hand accounts. The Quran was written by one guy who was told the story supposively by an Angel. Sounds a lot like Joseph Smith to me. Its not even that original in that it rips off both the OT and NT.All of those statements can't be taken seriously because New Testament was written many years later so you can't really expect that those are accurate quotes of the Yeshua ﷺ.
Would you believe a group of people who claim that a human was god and picked by hand that which will be considered as the word of God or believe the actual word of God (hint: Quran) which states the opposite? I'm surprised that so many Christians can't see the issue in their belief - a "hybrid" of men & god, making statues of him and paintings then worship it (or either to visualise to what they are talking to, no much difference in my opinion), use pagan symbols (hint: cross was used by Rome who was pretty much pagan, fertility symbols for Easter, etc.), pray to people they claim to be holy and hold powers equal to God (e.g praying to St. Peter to help you with some sickness or to some other saint to protect you on your trip), let's skip the prayers to angels & archangels because that goes same for saints, etc.. etc... Trinity is not nature of God, it was made up by humans to fit their needs to make Yeshua a god and control the mass more easily. God is one, He stated that multiple times throughout the Torah & Quran.
The NT was not rewritten at the council of Nicea and no respectable academic scholar would make that claim.In historical copies of the Bible, Jesus never even insinuates this relationship. He refers to God as his father, but by Christian conception that would be true for every human on the earth. He never says he is God, part of a trinity, or any such nonsense in the old texts. These things are only agreed upon in some way after the First Council of Nicea and that only happens 325 years after Jesus.
Past that time, all Bibles were re-written to reflect these notions... In terms of authenticity, on a historical basis, they are just an outright lie. Jesus himself never made any claim to these things, and there is no biblical basis for the assertions except for the heavy editing and butchering of the original texts. So, if antiquity can prove Jesus is not God then any allusion that this is the case is some sort of delusion isn't it?
Christians are basically practicing idolatry and placing another God in front of Yahweh, in essence, directly breaking God's word. I can see where this would be a problem for non-Christian faiths who stem from Abrahmic roots.