Jesus is God.

[anonymous9887]

He doesn't.
Revelation 1:1-2
informs us that it is an 'angel', who is talking to John, /not Jesus.

Revelation 1:8
This is 'Jesus', speaking, /per text,,
here, He, /Jesus, clearly calls Himself not only God, /both titles,, He also calls Himself the 'Almighty'.

Lets just say Jesus is speaking in Revelation 3:12
Does god have a god?
If jesus is speaking in revelation 3:12 what does that mean?

 

[Sara Thinks]

To find out if Jesus is God, we have to put the Bible to test.
1 Does it say Jesus is God?
2 Can the Bible quote Jesus accepting/admitting/preaching that he is God?
3 Does Jesus Qualify with the Attributes of God?

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

1 Does it say Jesus is God?

Can the bible SHOW he is God, or will it just cop out and make unsubstantiated claims even within itself?

2 Can the Bible quote Jesus accepting/admitting/preaching that he is God?

Can we verify he said it?

3 Does Jesus Qualify with the Attributes of God?

Finally ... then the answer is No.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Revelation 1:8
This is 'Jesus', speaking, /per text,,
here, He, /Jesus, clearly calls Himself not only God, /both titles,, He also calls Himself the 'Almighty'.

Revelation 1:5-7 is about Jesus.
Revelation 1:8 is about God.
Isaiah 9:6 titles Jesus as ' Mighty God ' but Not as Almighty God.
The LORD of Revelation 1:8 is the LORD God - Psalms 110
The God of Jesus - Revelation 3:12
Jesus who was the beginning of the creation by God - Revelation 3:14 B

 

[metis]

Revelation 1:5-7 is about Jesus.
Revelation 1:8 is about God.
Isaiah 9:6 titles Jesus as ' Mighty God ' but Not as Almighty God.
The LORD of Revelation 1:8 is the LORD God - Psalms 110
The God of Jesus - Revelation 3:12
Jesus who was the beginning of the creation by God - Revelation 3:14 B

Isaiah doesn't say anything about Jesus.

 

[Desert Snake]

Revelation 1:5-7 is about Jesus.
Revelation 1:8 is about God.
Isaiah 9:6 titles Jesus as ' Mighty God ' but Not as Almighty God.
The LORD of Revelation 1:8 is the LORD God - Psalms 110
The God of Jesus - Revelation 3:12
Jesus who was the beginning of the creation by God - Revelation 3:14 B

You are using the added methodology of the 'subjective, differentiation, in Titles, used in some Bibles. The 'problem', is that the ''differentiation'', in titles, actually leads to contradictions in interpretation, in other verses. Hence that methodology really doesn't work as intended, or, is arbitrary.
Hebrews 1:7-10
for example, can imply that Jesus actually is the 'Creator'. This follows the 'oneness' of the Godhood. Consider
Genesis 1:26
This has 'G-d', stating a plurality, 'make man in our image'; The nature of the Deity, in Genesis, by most accounts, is a singular Deity, yet we have this notion of plurality. Do you think that 'Jesus', is another deity, in Genesis, and that this is what it infers? Or do you think it means the plurality in the Deific Creation, ie angels, or do you think it merely being misinterpreted altogether, even in the Hebrew?
How many 'gods' are there?
I am inclined to think that it does not refer to 'another' god or demi-god. You can interpret it how you wish.

 

[anonymous9887]

You are using the added methodology of the 'subjective, differentiation, in Titles, used in some Bibles. The 'problem', is that the ''differentiation'', in titles, actually leads to contradictions in interpretation, in other verses. Hence that methodology really doesn't work as intended, or, is arbitrary.
Hebrews 1:7-10
for example, can imply that Jesus actually is the 'Creator'. This follows the 'oneness' of the Godhood. Consider
Genesis 1:26
This has 'G-d', stating a plurality, 'make man in our image'; The nature of the Deity, in Genesis, by most accounts, is a singular Deity, yet we have this notion of plurality. Do you think that 'Jesus', is another deity, in Genesis, and that this is what it infers? Or do you think it means the plurality in the Deific Creation, ie angels, or do you think it merely being misinterpreted altogether, even in the Hebrew?
How many 'gods' are there?
I am inclined to think that it does not refer to 'another' god or demi-god. You can interpret it how you wish.

There is one god in the supreme sense. Others can be called god as a description of their position and not use the word in the supreme sense. exodus 4:16 and 7:1



Let me ask you a question:
How many saviors are there in the Bible?
Isaiah 43:11- meaning there is only one.

Hold on a second
Judges 3:15
Judges 3:9
Why is the word of God calling these men saviors if there is only one?

 

[anonymous9887]

To find out if Jesus is God, we have to put the Bible to test.
1 Does it say Jesus is God?
2 Can the Bible quote Jesus accepting/admitting/preaching that he is God?
3 Does Jesus Qualify with the Attributes of God?

First of all these two videos are hideously incorrect when it comes to speaking about the Bible.

Question
1. Who are these men that they represent the Bible?
2. Why should their interpretation and misrepresentation of scripture be magnified?

What are you proving with these videos? Use scriptural references not words of men. With all due respect.

 

[JakofHearts]

Isaiah doesn't say anything about Jesus.

Isaiah 7:14
Messiah would be born of a virgin.

Isaiah 9:7
Messiah would be heir to King David's throne.

Isaiah 40:3-5
A messenger would prepare the way for Messiah

Isaiah 53:3
Messiah would be rejected by his own people.

Isaiah 11:1
Messiah would be called a Nazarene.

Isaiah 9:1-2
Messiah would bring light to Galilee.

Isaiah 61:1-2
Messiah would be sent to heal the brokenhearted.

Isaiah 53:7
Messiah would be silent before his accusers.

Isaiah 50:6
Messiah would be spat upon and struck.

Isaiah 53:12
Messiah would be crucified with criminals.

Isaiah 53:9
Messiah would be buried with the rich.

Isaiah 53:5-12
Messiah would be a sacrifice for sin.

When you read Isaiah 53 specifically you'll quickly notice who Isaiah was referring to. Read this to any non-believer and ask them who this was talking about, and more often than not they will say Jesus. Quite a remarkable chapter that gives us an insight into the passion of the Christ.
The book of Isaiah was dated to be written between 800-681 BC, and these are just the prophecies about Jesus in Isaiah.

 

[Sara Thinks]

First of all these two videos are hideously incorrect when it comes to speaking about the Bible.

Question
1. Who are these men that they represent the Bible?
2. Why should their interpretation and misrepresentation of scripture be magnified?

What are you proving with these videos? Use scriptural references not words of men. With all due respect.

the videos are made using the scripture. I guess you haven't watched it, but the video had been only showing Bible Verses

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Isaiah doesn't say anything about Jesus.

The person who would be named Jesus in the first century is Not named by Isaiah, but what he wrote corresponds to the person named Jesus. What Isaiah wrote in chapter 53 scholars apply to Jesus.
John at Revelation 19:14-16 mentions Jesus' executional words and so does Isaiah 11:3-4 mention executional words

 

[AllenWalker]

Man cannot be God. God cannot be man.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

There is one god in the supreme sense. Others can be called god as a description of their position and not use the word in the supreme sense. exodus 4:16 and 7:1
Let me ask you a question:
How many saviors are there in the Bible?
Isaiah 43:11- meaning there is only one.
Hold on a second
Judges 3:15
Judges 3:9
Why is the word of God calling these men saviors if there is only one?

There is only one main ' principle ' Savior -> Isaiah 43:11; Isaiah 45:21

Often salvation was through men raised up by God as primary saviors - Nehemiah 9:27
When anointed Jesus was on Earth his God was his Savior - Hebrews 5:7; Psalms 28:8

 

[URAVIP2ME]

You are using the added methodology of the 'subjective, differentiation, in Titles, used in some Bibles. The 'problem', is that the ''differentiation'', in titles, actually leads to contradictions in interpretation, in other verses. Hence that methodology really doesn't work as intended, or, is arbitrary.
Hebrews 1:7-10
for example, can imply that Jesus actually is the 'Creator'. This follows the 'oneness' of the Godhood. Consider
Genesis 1:26
This has 'G-d', stating a plurality, 'make man in our image'; The nature of the Deity, in Genesis, by most accounts, is a singular Deity, yet we have this notion of plurality. Do you think that 'Jesus', is another deity, in Genesis, and that this is what it infers? Or do you think it means the plurality in the Deific Creation, ie angels, or do you think it merely being misinterpreted altogether, even in the Hebrew?
How many 'gods' are there?
I am inclined to think that it does not refer to 'another' god or demi-god. You can interpret it how you wish.

The ' us ' at Genesis 1:16 is God talking to the one who is the beginning of the creation by God - the pre-human heavenly Jesus - Revelation 3:14 b; Colossians 1:15-16; 1 Corinthians 8:6
Everything comes through Jesus but his God is the Creator - Revelation 4:11

 

[anonymous9887]

the videos are made using the scripture. I guess you haven't watched it, but the video had been only showing Bible Verses

I saw these quick versions you posted, but Jay Smith is not our final authority, these men are giving their own understanding of a particular text, and they only quote what is convenient.

 

[anonymous9887]

There is only one main ' principle ' Savior -> Isaiah 43:11; Isaiah 45:21

Often salvation was through men raised up by God as primary saviors - Nehemiah 9:27
When anointed Jesus was on Earth his God was his Savior - Hebrews 5:7; Psalms 28:8

I know, I was asking so the person I was quoting could reason. Not because I believe in the Trinity.

 

[Desert Snake]

I know, I was asking so the person I was quoting could reason. Not because I believe in the Trinity.

Actually, your comments could imply that there is more than one ''saviour''. So, that would not be a mistake on my /or others part, but in your interpretation.

 

[anonymous9887]

Actually, your comments could imply that there is more than one ''saviour''. So, that would not be a mistake on my /or others part, but in your interpretation.

not exactly.
The bible says there is one savior
but yet the bible says there are other saviors
These men are saviors, but not in the same sense as god is savior

Father, God, Savior are used in a different senses throughout scripture, but many people dont see that.

For example you can say a person is strong and you can say god is strong, but obviously they are in a different sense. that is my point. Just to clarify the gods mentioned in the OT claimed some type of equality with god, like if they were the same as Yahweh.

John 10:33-35 is an example Jesus uses of what I am talking about.

Again the different senses thing is not my only argument. My argument that god knows all things (1 John 3:20) and Matthew 24:36 is sufficient enough to prove that the holy spirit (if its a person) and Jesus do not know all things like the father does. The father is the one identified as the true god and the only one in the scriptures as eternal, all knowing, and all powerful all at once.

 

[anonymous9887]

I don't really read the NT as related to my religious beliefs, so I'm not going to argue your comments. That being said, if you think that 'Jesus' is in Genesis, then clearly 'Jesus' isn't a average 'man'.
Genesis 1:26

Hence, who do you think He is, so forth

1.Jesus was god's 1st creation through whom god created all things.
2. The angels also existed when the world was put in place by the way (Job 38:7)
3. So then a question for you: If the bible is not your final authority, what manuscripts do you go by to formulate your beliefs? Some people on here have argued they have divine communication with god, do you believe the same?
4. # 3 is a huge point as in where are we getting this information from, and check the sources.

 

[anonymous9887]

Contextually , I would use the entire Bible. For Biblical theological or religious paradigm, I'm an OT adherent, as opposed to /NT usage, in a similar manner. That's all that that means. I /would still have to argue the NT in context, as I would expect anyone to, if they are going to argue some of the verses.
I use various books for teaching, and, have some extra-Biblical beliefs, as well.(not really in 'books')

Contextually, the Bible is the final authority, in a discussion limited to the Bible. It wouldn't matter if it wasn't /considered/, the final authority.

//What does that mean, 'first creation', an angel, a man, a concept, what

well it depends on what you mean by angel.
1.Angel in Hebrew= Malak and in greek= Angelos
2.I think this word angel carries some sort of connotation of these creatures with wings.
3.The greek and hebrew word Just plainly mean messenger.
4. I believe Jesus is the messenger of the YHWH
5. Jesus was the messenger in the burning bush, the one who wrestled with Jacob (Hosea 12:4), He appeared in Joshua 5:14. So I guess you could say Jesus is an angel. oh and he is 1 of the 3 messengers that appear to Abraham.