Jesus is not God

[Oeste]

Oeste said:
You have yet to disclose exactly which scriptures you think true and which lies. All you can tell us is that you have a preconceived notion, and if the scripture you are reading does not meet the standard of the preconceived notion, then you toss it out.
So all of scripture is subject to your personal interpretation, and no one here has the slightest idea of how you may have interpreted a particular passage, because no one here can read your mind. This is why I asked for your single source of truth.

How many times must I tell you???
Any passage that DO NOT CONTRADICT what God Almighty already DECLARED OF HIMSELF, and of what Jesus already said of himself, can be accepted as true.

So which passages do you believe DO NOT CONTRADICT???

I've been asking you to post them for quite awhile now. Just because YOU think they contradict, does not mean anyone else thinks they contradict.

Also, as to what GOD ALMIGHT ALREADY DECLARED OF HIMSELF, He declared Jesus GOD! I've showed you this already, right in Hebrews 1:8, yet you refuse to believe it, and you dismiss it, instantly REFUTING your own PRECONCEPTION!!

But about the Son he says,​

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“Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever;​

a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom. (Hebrews 1:8)​

I'm pretty sure Christians will need something more than personal opinion that Hebrews 1:8 is unscriptural. As for non-Christians, they require no evidence at all.

Which part of that statement did you find so difficult to comprehend??

You claim Hebrews 1:8 is unscriptural without evidence, which is incomprehensible to me. You may want to start there and give some external sources that support your opinion.

Your claim that the scripture is invalid because the opening phrase "But about the Son he says" is not found in Psalm 45 is nonsensical, since Hebrew 1 is itself scripture.

Oeste said:
If you don't have one, just say so. You could have multiple for all I care. But I'm not going to start posting scripture with you as it would be a waste of time.

Like you don’t have an answer to this one – can you show me from the scripture that Jesus preached trinity in his lifetime on earth?? If you don't have one, just say so. You could have multiple for all I care.

So you have no sources that support your rather unique, aberrant position and now you wish to say trinitarians all through history had none to support their position, even though you can go to any book store and find plenty of material, but you don't wish to do so? And this is how over 2 1/2 billion people (not including those who have preceded us) came to believe Jesus is God? And that it is Jerry Myers, a non-Christian who has a personal, unique view that no believing Christian church shares, who espouses a scripture rejecting theology, and whose preconceived, non vetted, and yet to be expressed in any reputable, peer reviewed article by any theological or secular body whatsoever, is somehow truth???

That is too funny!

Look, perhaps this is secret knowledge you cannot share. I understand some churches have gnostic leanings and are like that. One must reach a certain level before the source or secret knowledge can be shared. Perhaps it's a particular name or teaching they are dying to share and very important for you to know, so that you may be blessed or gain "true" knowledge, elevate your status in the world or the world to come, gain you friends, love, companionship, money or anything else your heart desires if only you would humble yourself to their teaching and become their willing apprentice or some such. I think we have all seen plenty of people trolling and alluding to such on the forum.

But I can assure you that I neither go to such a church or buy in to any such doctrine. In any event, that's me, not you. I just don't feel like wasting time arguing the veracity of scripture with someone who refuses to accept it.

Likewise, when we are discussing a doctrine I adhere to, I am willing to discuss it, and I can point you to plenty of sources besides myself, but if you cannot, that's fine. But since you don't believe our biblical cannon is the word of God I'm really not your guy. Once you claim 10% of our cannon is bogus with no support except your private interpretation it really becomes a non-starter for me. I may be willing to discuss the basis for your non-belief, but I'm not going to waste time citing scripture you consider bogus. I'd much rather talk to folk who already know scripture is true, or those who feel lost, abused, or are in search of a good spiritual home. It's a much more productive use of my time.

Oeste said:
No, you dismissed it. You rebutted nothing.

Doubt you understand the difference between “dismiss” and “rebut”.

I share no such doubt.

You claimed you "rebutted" Hebrews 1:8 when in actuality you simply dismissed it as unscriptural.

You point to no source for your claimed rebuttal except your own personal opinion based on a preconception.

A good example is how you respond to my request to show from the scripture where Jesus preached trinity in his lifetime on earth. You can check that by reviewing your comments on that matter.

I did. I've also posted numerous other scriptures and I've told you how you can get additional information from you're neighborhood book store if you're so inclined. You've told us you are not so inclined.

You've already told the readers of your precondition that must be satisfied before a scripture becomes believable, a presupposition that is immediately contradictory.

What you haven't told us is the source of this preconception. Instead the reader is left hanging as to what bias or misinformation this preconception is based on. (Romans 3:4)

When someone rebuts an argument, they are actively engaging with it and providing counterarguments or evidence to support their counterarguments – which is what I have been doing most of the time.

You have done no such thing. All you've told us is that you will agree with scripture that you like, and claim it bogus if you don't.

A good example is how I explained to you how the Jews have mistaken Jesus’ statement “I and my Father are one” as his claim of being God. You can check that by reviewing my comments on that matter.

Yes, I discussed this with you before. And what was your response?:

Oeste said:
The statement "The Father and I are one" is certainly a statement of deity. Remember, Jesus is not simply stating the Father is in him. He is stating that he is in the Father.

BS!

It's hard to get pass such a visceral response, but it makes anything further you have to say about scripture uninteresting. When coupled with your statement that 10% of scripture is bogus, it makes further conversation untenable.

Simply put, dismissing means rejecting an argument without seriously engaging with it, and taking the readers on ‘run-arounds' explanations, while rebutting involves actively challenging with counter evidence or reasoning against it.

It's hard to take a response of "BS!" seriously, and I feel no need to seriously engage with it.

However ,I am still awaiting YOUR explanation of WHICH scriptures you reject, WHY you reject it, and WHERE we can find a reasoned basis for your denial and WHAT process you used to verify 10% as unscriptural. Until then, any discussion is pointless.

Oeste said:
What has that got to do with anything when it's all scripture?

How about everything…??

This response tells the reader nothing.

Oeste said:
Unless you are willing to subject yourself or accept our canon as scripture...AND I'M NOT REFERRING JUST TO THE PARTS YOU LIKE... then what is the point of further discussion?

Now, why would I do that when you can’t even support what you believe other than giving us the 'round-arounds' and/or showing verses from the scripture that you cannot even explain??

See above.

Oeste said:
At the end of the day, the Christian world will still be Trinitarian, and you will be tossing out scripture, right along with the atheists, skeptics, and non-believers.

And that was supposed to make the Trinitarians right????! LOL!

Wrong, LOL!

It simply makes the job of anyone trying to "prove" Jesus is not God all the much harder.

It's all based in scripture, and it's how Christians know Jesus is God.