the700clowns
Member
this thread is directed for christians, if non-christians want to defend jesus divinity it's fine but use christian doctrines and beliefs, dont invent things which christians dont really believe in.
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Jesus is not God
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psychoslice
Veteran Member
The heading is "Jesus Is Not God", and I gave my answer, you can't get what you want all the time.
the700clowns
Member
god cannot become human, if he became human, he is no longer god.
if god became human just for a while, then once upon a time there was no god to sustain life.
if only the son god became human, then there are two gods or three if you will include the holy spirit.
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Thief
Rogue Theologian
Well if.....Someone of His ability failed to continue in Spirit.....
the rest of us are doomed to the grave and the eternal darkness in it.
the700clowns
Member
ok fine since you dont believe jesus is god anyways, but for those who wants to defend jesus' divinity even if they dont believe he is god, they have to use christian beliefs and doctrines etc.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
He said of Himself......brother and fellow servant.
I refrain from adding more to His own declaration.
InChrist
Free4ever
Since I believe the scriptures, then I believe it is entirely possible and not a problem for the God who created heaven and earth to be fully human and fully God.
Jesus is man and God. As a man with a human body, He can die like we all can if He chooses. But as God, He is infinite and undying. He has dual natures.
Who says? Will you tell God what He can or cannot do?
The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are all God (same Essence) manifesting in Three Persons. The closest analogy I can think of is three people sharing the same soul.
You haven't defined any of your terms nor justified any of your assumptions. What do you mean by death, and what do you mean by God?
More importantly, what logic exactly, dictates that an all powerful being, which can create matter, wouldn't be able take on a physical incarnation subject to physical death.
the700clowns
Member
that's nonsense, an object cannot be 100% black at the same time 100% white.
to be fully god he must be 100% god, if he has human side then he is not 100% god, and if he's not 100% god then he is not a true god.
the700clowns
Member
so your god can become the devil?!
the state of being god is is completely opposite and contradicting from the state of being the devil, just like being god and being man.
once god becomes the devil then he's no longer god, once god becomes man then he is no longer god.
God and Satan are two different beings. So, no. Technically God can do anything He wants but He has a nature and His actions don't conflict with it.
There's nothing that contradicts God choosing to take on human flesh. Why do you think that God incarnating into human form makes Him no longer God?
the700clowns
Member
common sense and logical reasoning!
god is god, man is man
evil is evil, good is good
strong is strong, weak is weak
white is white, black is black.
white isnt black
strong isnt weak
evil isnt good
god isnt human
if we are not suppose to use logical reasoning, then what are we doing here in a discussion forum?!
if muslims were to use christians' reasoning, it would be like this:
christian: "if muhammad is a prophet, why did he marry a child?"
muslim: "because god allowed it"
christian: "what!!! what kind of a god is that?!"
muslim: who are you to question god?! god can do anything!
TADAA!!!!
I'm not sure if you know what logic is.
None of this is an explanation for why God necessarily cannot take on human flesh. If He wants it, He just does it.
Nada
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From what I gather in the holy scriptures,it appears that Jesus is not God the Almighty.Jesus is the Son of God the Almighty.
God the Almighty does not turn into flesh.He also cannot die.No man has ever seen God.Jesus makes this clear to a crowd.
John 5:37 And the Father who sent me has himself testified concerning me. You have never heard his voice nor seen his form, NIV So Jesus explains to the crowd about God the Almighty, and how they have never heard nor seen Him.Clearly,Jesus is not God the Almighty.If Jesus was God the Almighty, then those people Jesus was explaining to, would be hearing and seeing him.
God the Almighty does not turn into flesh.He also cannot die.No man has ever seen God.Jesus makes this clear to a crowd.
John 5:37 And the Father who sent me has himself testified concerning me. You have never heard his voice nor seen his form, NIV So Jesus explains to the crowd about God the Almighty, and how they have never heard nor seen Him.Clearly,Jesus is not God the Almighty.If Jesus was God the Almighty, then those people Jesus was explaining to, would be hearing and seeing him.
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the700clowns
Member
though i dont agree with you 100%, but i commend you (as a bible student) for being brave to challenge the divinity of jesus, unlike most christians who were blinded by so much faith that they are afraid to use logical reasoning to discern the truth.
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paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Jesus is not God
Jesus had no attributes of G-d. Jesus never was/is/will be a god.
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Jesus had no attributes of G-d. Jesus never was/is/will be a god.
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The religion about Jesus is, Jesus is God. The religion of Jesus which he said about himself according to the Bible is, he is an ordinary human.
See if Jesus is God then his followers have no need for Jesus' teachings because only God can do those teachings. But if Jesus is just a man then his followers have to get off their asses and do what he did.
Hence it is easier for Christians to make Jesus God, because they don't really want to follow Jesus. They want to follow their Church leaders, AKA Sinners !!!
See if Jesus is God then his followers have no need for Jesus' teachings because only God can do those teachings. But if Jesus is just a man then his followers have to get off their asses and do what he did.
Hence it is easier for Christians to make Jesus God, because they don't really want to follow Jesus. They want to follow their Church leaders, AKA Sinners !!!