jesus miracles outdated

[Don Penguinoini]

jesus miracles were miracles back in those days but now sience and medicin can match him

jesus was born without a father= we have artivicial insemenation
jesus healed the blind= we have laser eye surgory
jesus cured the cripple= we can make them walk again aswell
jesus parted a river= we have large dikes that part milioens of liters of water
jesus walked on water= we can fly over it
jesus changed water into wine= we can make wine out of almost anything
jesus resurected= we have had alot of people come back from being clinecly dead
jesus made lot of food from little = because of mass production we can make much more out of less

isn't it time he came with miracles version 2.0

Your point being...?

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Here is a site for you to dismiss:
Pagan Origins of the Christ Myth

Dude..... I always find that Athiest Video that is on the second page of that website to be the on of FUNNIEST things ever.....

Crazy ranting and cursing christian mom cursing at her son and threatening him with no present on chrismas....too funny......:biglaugh:

 

[McBell]

I've already seen the site but thanks for posting it anyway. Maybe you can post another I haven't seen without the attitude along with it. I don't think it's needed when you are trying to have a sincere discussion.

What attitude?
You dismissed it like I said you would.
Seems to me that the problem is you will merely dismiss everything you dislike and or disagree with.

I know you will claim otherwise, but your attitude has already revealed much.

 

[Ringer]

What attitude?
You dismissed it like I said you would.
Seems to me that the problem is you will merely dismiss everything you dislike and or disagree with.

I know you will claim otherwise, but your attitude has already revealed much.

Wow. I did not dismiss the site. I merely said that I've seen it already and would prefer to directed to a site that contained similar information but with more historical evidence to back up the claims. Not just, Christianity is a lot like this mythology so Christianity stole it from them. Your first post in this thread was "Here is a site for you to dismiss" as if I somehow made a habit of doing so. I thanked Crystalonyx for his contribution by sending a link and in return I posted information on the topic in question. How I've shown attitude in doing so or how I've dismissed "everything" I dislike is beyond me. Anyway, I'll just take it that the link you posted will suffice in defending your stance.

 

[McBell]

Wow. I did not dismiss the site. I merely said that I've seen it already and would prefer to directed to a site that contained similar information but with more historical evidence to back up the claims. Not just, Christianity is a lot like this mythology so Christianity stole it from them. Your first post in this thread was "Here is a site for you to dismiss" as if I somehow made a habit of doing so. I thanked Crystalonyx for his contribution by sending a link and in return I posted information on the topic in question. How I've shown attitude in doing so or how I've dismissed "everything" I dislike is beyond me. Anyway, I'll just take it that the link you posted will suffice in defending your stance.

My apologies.
I know not what my problem (though I am guessing stress) is but my treatment of you thus far in this thread is uncalled for and inexcusable.

 

[logician]

"Aside from any debate involving the chastity of the rock from which Mithras is hatched, there is little, if any, opportunity to seriously compare the "virgin" birth of Mithras to the birth of Jesus. "

Aside from the fact that neither happened because miracles don't happen, they are scientifically impossible. Believing in them is the same in believing in the tooth fairy, they are there for symbolism only.

 

[misanthropic_clown]

"Aside from any debate involving the chastity of the rock from which Mithras is hatched, there is little, if any, opportunity to seriously compare the "virgin" birth of Mithras to the birth of Jesus. "

Aside from the fact that neither happened because miracles don't happen, they are scientifically impossible. Believing in them is the same in believing in the tooth fairy, they are there for symbolism only.

Now, I know you are a naturalist, and thus so inclined, but to dismiss miracles saying they are scientifically impossible, when that is what they are by very definition, is hardly much of a comeback as far as those inclined to believe in miracles are concerned.

 

[Heneni]

Can we make the sun rise and the earth rotate, and the stars collapse and a star be born? Nope, so then, if Jesus doesnt do any miracles today, the universe is still way up there in terms of the miraculeous. And of course, I believe Jesus created it all, and it is by his word that he keeps it going. Whatever God said..let it be, has not stopped being what he said it should be. The universe is upheld by his word, and since words are created by vibrations and all atoms vibrate, the whole creation is still upheld by his words.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Can we make the sun rise and the earth rotate, and the stars collapse and a star be born? Nope, so then, if Jesus doesnt do any miracles today, the universe is still way up there in terms of the miraculeous. And of course, I believe Jesus created it all, and it is by his word that he keeps it going. Whatever God said..let it be, has not stopped being what he said it should be. The universe is upheld by his word, and since words are created by vibrations and all atoms vibrate, the whole creation is still upheld by his words.

I'm quite sure other religions have made the same claim you're making and none of you have any proof that the others are wrong. Are you prepared to say the gods of hinduism didn't do all of this, or any other god....?

 

[Heneni]

Im prepared to say that God was smart enough to distribute the knowledge of himself through many nations and many civilizations. God is God, and who am I to say he did not decide to reveal himself in different forms to different nations?. In the end there is only one god, but what looks to us as many gods, is actually one god. God in different forms relating to different people. There is one common thread through most major religions in the world. God is love.

The buddist for one have quite an interesting take on spirituality, and for the most part they have pretty good stuff about it! The truth about God and his character is distributed all over the world, in all sorts of forms, He can be found in art, in science, in religion (though these days its becoming harder to find any truth of Him there), in fiction, in nature. He is all over. And if you are really searching for the truth..it will be just that ,a treasure hunt.

 

[Troublemane]

The fact that Jesus did all these without the help of Jerry Bruckheimer's Special Effects team is in fact miraculous!

 

[Heneni]

True . If God had to make a special effects movie, I wonder what effects he would come up with?Maybe heaven will be the ultimate special effects! A 3D experience with you in it.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Im prepared to say that God was smart enough to distribute the knowledge of himself through many nations and many civilizations. God is God, and who am I to say he did not decide to reveal himself in different forms to different nations?. In the end there is only one god, but what looks to us as many gods, is actually one god. God in different forms relating to different people. There is one common thread through most major religions in the world. God is love.

The buddist for one have quite an interesting take on spirituality, and for the most part they have pretty good stuff about it! The truth about God and his character is distributed all over the world, in all sorts of forms, He can be found in art, in science, in religion (though these days its becoming harder to find any truth of Him there), in fiction, in nature. He is all over. And if you are really searching for the truth..it will be just that ,a treasure hunt.

ahhh.....cool...


Then hopefully your view is sufficient for all monotheist. Some seem to believe it's a sin to believe in multiple gods......or none at all....

Me, personally, I live the latter.......no gods no worries....

 

[Heneni]

True, no god no worries. And I think that is a pretty smart view to have. And I have contemplated not believing in God either. But unfortunately for me, it is harder to give up the 'ghost' than for others. And the reason for it? I am too gratefull that he saved me. How can I turn away from a someone that would give up so much to save me? That is love. That is what I want, that is what I life and breath on. To turn away from him would mean I give up that which i want most. LOVE.

So for me it is just not plausable to not believe. Since I have become accutely aware of the fact that I needed saving, and I know that I could not have saved myself. And i know he didnt save me out of pity, but out of genuine and real concern and a true an honest desire to restore me.

Who on this planet would do such a thing for me? No one...and so I choose to believe in God, since that is the only reasonable respons. This love I have for him is selfish. Indeed I can not live without it, and so I need it to feel alive. And without it I would die. I do not pretend that I can love others or even love God the way I ought to, but what I have discovered is the source of my life. And if it is selfish to want more of it, then I am the most selfish person on this planet.

 

[logician]

Now, I know you are a naturalist, and thus so inclined, but to dismiss miracles saying they are scientifically impossible, when that is what they are by very definition, is hardly much of a comeback as far as those inclined to believe in miracles are concerned.

Yes, but they were not eyewitnesses to any of these miracles, nor were the people who wrote about them. This puts them at the level of hearsay, whicih is to say, they are fiction.

 

[Somkid]

I don't think you can compare technology to the supposed "miracles" that Jesus was said to preform however if you compare what he did to what the monks of Song Shan monastery can do (Shaolin monks) Jesus wasn't that impressive but he could have learned a trick or two from the Shaolin Monks.

 

[Booko]

we dont need to.
we now have the belief in ufo's, ghosts etc.....thats all the mystical nonsense that a society now needs

Excellent point, Xausted...not everyone is wired to approach life more from reason and logic.

Tradition and inspiration...well, they have their uses too, and those that use those tools primarily are, I expect, always going to come up with something mysterious in life.

 

[Booko]

How do our technological marvels make Jesus' miracles less miraculous? Jesus raised someone from the dead by calling his name. Even if we found a technological marvel to reverse death, it still seems that Jesus' act counts as a miracle, and our technological thingamajig doesn't.

I don't see Jesus' miracles as outdated as much as they are not much proof of anything. But I don't see that as a problem of Jesus or Christianity, but just miracles generally.

Miracles really don't prove anything. Every religion has them, it really only is proof for people who were there as witnesses, and even then you never know maybe it was done with mirrors.

Jesus real miracle might be the Gospel itself. I mean, who after the Crucifixion would predict that 2000 years later Christianity would be the most numerous and widespread religion, with such a global reach?

 

[Yoda]

Christianity would be the most numerous and widespread religion, with such a global reach?

Not to burst your bubble here but Islam just took over as the worlds top religion as far as followers go.....and it also has that Global reach you are talking about....Not Muslim just pointing out a fact is all.........

 

[Booko]

Not to burst your bubble here but Islam just took over as the worlds top religion as far as followers go.....and it also has that Global reach you are talking about....Not Muslim just pointing out a fact is all.........

Not to burst your bubble, but Islam overtook the Roman Catholic church, not Christianity.

EDIT: btw, it's not like I have a dog in this fight either. I don't.