jesus one of the most popular person ever lived

[paarsurrey]

Actually, if you look at the number of professing believers within all faiths that include Jesus as a significant person, including those who have a false perception of him, labeling him as "one of the most" is a gross understatement.

Just as the Holy Bible is by far the most published and read book throughout human history, Jesus is by far the most popular and influential man in human history. One need only to look at and consider religion population numbers to realize this reality.

Those who deny his existence are few anymore, since there's simply too much evidence, both Biblical and secular, to support such a view - more so in fact than any other individual in antiquity.

Most Biblical scholars today concede that the historical evidence for Jesus' life, teachings, and death by crucifixion is a well established fact. On the other hand, most skeptics are those who haven't studied the matter and thus are ignorant of the abundant manuscripts and writings we have today. The legitimate debate among scholars is not whether Jesus lived or died, but whether he actually claimed to be the son of God, performed miracles, and rose from the dead.

People who want to reject Jesus as Lord and Savior of the world are certainly free to do so, but those who deny his existence or dismiss his importance in world history are just demonstrating an unwarranted ignorance in the matter.

" Bible is by far the most ........ read book throughout human history "

Pauline NT Bible is neither by (Jesus)Yeshua- the truthful Israelite Messiah ( who was neither a Zealot, nor he belonged to the Zionism people nor to the Judaism people), nor it is the most read book, kindly correct one's misconceptions, please, right?
Quran has only one text all over the world and all times, whatever the denomination; NT Bible is a Pauline Collection of Books doesn't have one text, please, right?

The list is ranked by lovereading.com and takes into account the number of editions, translations and copies sold:-

The most popular book of all time isn’t Harry Potter, it’s the Koran​

Oliver McAteer Published Jul 15, 2015, 3:45pm|Updated Dec 11, 2019, 11:05am
Most popular books of all time:

1. The Koran – three billion copies sold
2. The King James Bible – 2.5bn
3. Quotations From Chairman Mao Tse-tung, Mao Zedong – 800m
4. Don Quixote, Miguel de Cervantes – 500m
5. Harry Potter series, JK Rowling – 450m
6. A Tale Of Two Cities, Charles Dickens – 200m
7. The Lord Of The Rings, JRR Tolkien – 150m
8. Le Petit Prince, Antoine de Saint-Exupéry – 140m
9. Alice In Wonderland, Lewis Carroll – 100m
10. Dream Of The Red Chamber, Cao Xueqin – 100m
11. And Then There Were None, Agatha Christie – 100m
12. The Hobbit, JRR Tolkein – 100m
13. She: A History Of Adventure, H.Rider Haggard – 83m
14. The Lion, The Witch And The Wardrobe, CS Lewis – 85m
15. The Da Vinci Code, Dan Brown – 80m
16. The Catcher In The Rye, JD Salinger – 65m
17. The Adventures Of Sherlock Holmes, Arthur Conan Doyle – 60m
18. Twenty Thousand Leagues Under The Sea, Jules Verne, 60m
19. Millennium Trilogy, Stieg Larsson – 50m
20. Watership Down, Richard Adams – 50m
21. Odyssey, Homer – 45m
22. The Very Hungry Caterpillar, Eric Carle – 30m
23. To Kill A Mockingbird, Harper Lee – 30m
24. Gone With The Wind, Margaret Mitchell – 30m
25. Nineteen Eighty-Four, George Orwell – 25m
26. The Great Gatsby, F Scott Fitzgerald – 25m
27. The Adventures Of Huckleberry Finn, Mark Twain – 20m
28. Anderson’s Fairy Tales, Hans Christian Anderson – 20m
29. Pride And Prejudice, Jane Austen – 20m
30. Robinson Crusoe, Daniel Defoe – 9m

The most popular book of all time isn't Harry Potter

These are the top 10 most popular books of all time.

metro.co.uk

Quran is memorized and read from the memory, this aspect has not been taken into account by most websites, including this aspect, no other contestant book comes close to it , right, please?

Regards

 

[Banach-Tarski Paradox]

I think it is an attempt at an ad-populum argument as it appears to be intended to impress, however in my view the reason for that popularity is due among other things to Christianity being a smorgasbord religion full of contradictions that allow people of different mindsets to cherry pick which Jesus they want to follow, which makes it far less impressive in my opinion.

If a poll was taken to arrive at this result, then it is considered science. Just check any stat 101 textbook.

The difference between ad-populum and science is that one of them is backed up by polling, and the other is just a hypotheses, or a guess.

But the content is not the issue.

Or so I’ve heard, anyway.

 

[McBell]

1. The Koran – three billion copies sold
2. The King James Bible – 2.5bn

Quran is memorized and read from the memory, this aspect has not been taken into account by most websites, including this aspect, no other contestant book comes close to it , right, please?

Regards

Interesting how your list only includes ONE of the thousands of versions of the Bible...
How many copies of the NIV were sold during that time period?
The MKJV?
Ect.
So it looks like you list is inaccurate.
Seemingly on purpose.

 

[McBell]

1. The Koran – three billion copies sold
2. The King James Bible – 2.5bn

Quran is memorized and read from the memory, this aspect has not been taken into account by most websites, including this aspect, no other contestant book comes close to it , right, please?

Regards

Interesting how your list only includes ONE of the thousands of versions of the Bible...
How many copies of the NIV were sold during that time period?
The MKJV?
Ect.
So it looks like you list is inaccurate.
Seemingly on purpose.

 

[McBell]

1. The Koran – three billion copies sold
2. The King James Bible – 2.5bn

Quran is memorized and read from the memory, this aspect has not been taken into account by most websites, including this aspect, no other contestant book comes close to it , right, please?

Regards

Interesting how your list only includes ONE of the thousands of versions of the Bible...
How many copies of the NIV were sold during that time period?
The MKJV?
Ect.
So it looks like you list is inaccurate.
Seemingly on purpose.

 

[Sir Joseph]

So say if person A likes dogs and hates cats, then person B comes to person C and tells the lie that person A likes cats and hates dogs because person C also does.

Although person C having been misled would genuinely believe that person A is great, can we say that they have been influenced by person A to believe that? If not (and I believe the correct answer is no) then shouldn't we really account person B as being the influencer of person C?

Is it not person B who is more popular with person C than person A who has a reality completely at odds with the perception of person C?

If you are still following me why would we count those who have misperceptions of Jesus as viewing Jesus himself as popular? Personally I wouldn't. I would consider Paul more popular than Jesus, followed by the popularity of Muhammad (or his influential followers in turn) and Baha'u'llah.

As a Christian, I consider Mormons, JW's, and Muslims to have a misguided view of Jesus; however, Jesus is still a primary player in their religion - and thus "popular." If we add up just current religious population stats, we get nearly 4 billion people in the world today knowing and favoring Jesus in some form. And while there were certainly more popular people in the world before Jesus' birth, the recent growth in world population numbers would mitigate any of those earlier prospects.

As for Jesus vs Paul, that's an interesting thought, but I'd maintain that the 1.6 billion Muslims who value Jesus as a major prophet know and favor him far above a missionary/apostle like Paul. Thus, that alone would tip the popularity scales towards Jesus.

 

[Sir Joseph]

So say if person A likes dogs and hates cats, then person B comes to person C and tells the lie that person A likes cats and hates dogs because person C also does.

Although person C having been misled would genuinely believe that person A is great, can we say that they have been influenced by person A to believe that? If not (and I believe the correct answer is no) then shouldn't we really account person B as being the influencer of person C?

Is it not person B who is more popular with person C than person A who has a reality completely at odds with the perception of person C?

If you are still following me why would we count those who have misperceptions of Jesus as viewing Jesus himself as popular? Personally I wouldn't. I would consider Paul more popular than Jesus, followed by the popularity of Muhammad (or his influential followers in turn) and Baha'u'llah.

As a Christian, I consider Mormons, JW's, and Muslims to have a misguided view of Jesus; however, Jesus is still a primary player in their religion - and thus "popular." If we add up just current religious population stats, we get nearly 4 billion people in the world today knowing and favoring Jesus in some form. And while there were certainly more popular people in the world before Jesus' birth, the recent growth in world population numbers would mitigate any of those earlier prospects.

As for Jesus vs Paul, that's an interesting thought, but I'd maintain that the 1.6 billion Muslims who value Jesus as a major prophet know and favor him far above a missionary/apostle like Paul. Thus, that alone would tip the popularity scales towards Jesus.

 

[Sir Joseph]

" Bible is by far the most ........ read book throughout human history "

Pauline NT Bible is neither by (Jesus)Yeshua- the truthful Israelite Messiah ( who was neither a Zealot, nor he belonged to the Zionism people nor to the Judaism people), nor it is the most read book, kindly correct one's misconceptions, please, right?
Quran has only one text all over the world and all times, whatever the denomination; NT Bible is a Pauline Collection of Books doesn't have one text, please, right?

The list is ranked by lovereading.com and takes into account the number of editions, translations and copies sold:-

The most popular book of all time isn’t Harry Potter, it’s the Koran​

Oliver McAteer Published Jul 15, 2015, 3:45pm|Updated Dec 11, 2019, 11:05am
Most popular books of all time:

1. The Koran – three billion copies sold
2. The King James Bible – 2.5bn
3. Quotations From Chairman Mao Tse-tung, Mao Zedong – 800m
4. Don Quixote, Miguel de Cervantes – 500m
5. Harry Potter series, JK Rowling – 450m
6. A Tale Of Two Cities, Charles Dickens – 200m
7. The Lord Of The Rings, JRR Tolkien – 150m
8. Le Petit Prince, Antoine de Saint-Exupéry – 140m
9. Alice In Wonderland, Lewis Carroll – 100m
10. Dream Of The Red Chamber, Cao Xueqin – 100m
11. And Then There Were None, Agatha Christie – 100m
12. The Hobbit, JRR Tolkein – 100m
13. She: A History Of Adventure, H.Rider Haggard – 83m
14. The Lion, The Witch And The Wardrobe, CS Lewis – 85m
15. The Da Vinci Code, Dan Brown – 80m
16. The Catcher In The Rye, JD Salinger – 65m
17. The Adventures Of Sherlock Holmes, Arthur Conan Doyle – 60m
18. Twenty Thousand Leagues Under The Sea, Jules Verne, 60m
19. Millennium Trilogy, Stieg Larsson – 50m
20. Watership Down, Richard Adams – 50m
21. Odyssey, Homer – 45m
22. The Very Hungry Caterpillar, Eric Carle – 30m
23. To Kill A Mockingbird, Harper Lee – 30m
24. Gone With The Wind, Margaret Mitchell – 30m
25. Nineteen Eighty-Four, George Orwell – 25m
26. The Great Gatsby, F Scott Fitzgerald – 25m
27. The Adventures Of Huckleberry Finn, Mark Twain – 20m
28. Anderson’s Fairy Tales, Hans Christian Anderson – 20m
29. Pride And Prejudice, Jane Austen – 20m
30. Robinson Crusoe, Daniel Defoe – 9m

The most popular book of all time isn't Harry Potter

These are the top 10 most popular books of all time.

metro.co.uk

Quran is memorized and read from the memory, this aspect has not been taken into account by most websites, including this aspect, no other contestant book comes close to it , right, please?

Regards

The thread was intended to address the popularity of Jesus, not diverge into a challenge upon the Holy Bible, but since I first mentioned the Bible, I will defend it briefly here on just one point.

Publication numbers on world books is limited, allowing number estimates to be inflated by those favoring a cause (like Islam claiming to hold the most read book in the world despite its published record of about 800 million copies of the Quran)

Exempting China's Little Red book which has high but unverifiable numbers, the Guinness World Records and other publishing house sources estimate the total Holy Bible publication at 5-7 billion. That shouldn't be hard to believe since there are currently over 100 million copies printed each year, entailing hundreds of versions and languages.

As McBell pointed out, limiting a Bible count to the one King James version grossly misrepresents the total Holy Bible publication number. But even doing so, the record would still fall to the Bible.

 

[danieldemol]

If a poll was taken to arrive at this result, then it is considered science. Just check any stat 101 textbook.

The difference between ad-populum and science is that one of them is backed up by polling, and the other is just a hypotheses, or a guess.

But the content is not the issue.

Or so I’ve heard, anyway.

I disagree, a poll simply tells us scientifically what the majority believes in my view. But trying to get us to share the belief of the majority by telling us that a belief is held by a majority, in other words - saying something is true because it is a majority opinion would be an ad-populum argument.

And I believe that is precisely why the OP tells us that it is a majority opinion, because they want us to think that Jesus popularity is due to some inherent truth about him being a good guy.

I could agree that he was good enough by the standards of his time and place, but considering the OP actually believes in Jesus I'm inclined to think they would be disappointed with people who don't see some dogmatic Jesus as good comparatively to modern liberal standards.

TL : DR? Jesus is not going to be popular with me just because he is popular with others.

 

[danieldemol]

As a Christian, I consider Mormons, JW's, and Muslims to have a misguided view of Jesus; however, Jesus is still a primary player in their religion - and thus "popular."

So instead of treating the different Jesus characters as different characters and polling the popularity of these individual characters accordingly you are treating them as one character so you can add their combined results in my view.

I see that as convenient for you, but not accurate for me.

If we add up just current religious population stats, we get nearly 4 billion people in the world today knowing and favoring Jesus in some form. And while there were certainly more popular people in the world before Jesus' birth, the recent growth in world population numbers would mitigate any of those earlier prospects.

As for Jesus vs Paul, that's an interesting thought, but I'd maintain that the 1.6 billion Muslims who value Jesus as a major prophet know and favor him far above a missionary/apostle like Paul. Thus, that alone would tip the popularity scales towards Jesus.

In the end though in my view it doesn't matter. The popularity of Jesus can be refuted by a simple so what, because anything other than that appears to me to be an ad-populum argument.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

jesus is one of the most popular person ever lived

what do you think about that?

Yes, he's one of the world's biggest celebs. It's irritating, like a Kardashian, just in your face all the time.

 

[paarsurrey]

The thread was intended to address the popularity of Jesus, not diverge into a challenge upon the Holy Bible, but since I first mentioned the Bible, I will defend it briefly here on just one point.

Publication numbers on world books is limited, allowing number estimates to be inflated by those favoring a cause (like Islam claiming to hold the most read book in the world despite its published record of about 800 million copies of the Quran)

Exempting China's Little Red book which has high but unverifiable numbers, the Guinness World Records and other publishing house sources estimate the total Holy Bible publication at 5-7 billion. That shouldn't be hard to believe since there are currently over 100 million copies printed each year, entailing hundreds of versions and languages.

As McBell pointed out, limiting a Bible count to the one King James version grossly misrepresents the total Holy Bible publication number. But even doing so, the record would still fall to the Bible.

Our @YoursTrue and @Eli G with love.
" total Holy Bible publication at 5-7 billion. "

Bible has many versions differing from one another (denomination to denomination) so each version is to be taken as a separate book, please, right?
Quran has the same text everywhere in the world, and in original Arabic, since inception whatever the denomination of the Islam, right, please?

Regards

 

[McBell]

Our @YoursTrue and @Eli G with love.
" total Holy Bible publication at 5-7 billion. "

Bible has many versions differing from one another (denomination to denomination) so each version is to be taken as a separate book, please, right?
Quran has the same text everywhere in the world, and in original Arabic, since inception whatever the denomination of the Islam, right, please?

Regards

no and no

 

[YoursTrue]

Our @YoursTrue and @Eli G with love.
" total Holy Bible publication at 5-7 billion. "

Bible has many versions differing from one another (denomination to denomination) so each version is to be taken as a separate book, please, right?
Quran has the same text everywhere in the world, and in original Arabic, since inception whatever the denomination of the Islam, right, please?

Regards

Thank you for mentioning that. I just spoke to a Muslim man (very nice) and he was raised in the U.S. He does not know how to read Arabic and is learning to read Arabic in his 20's. But it's slow. And there are English translations, various versions of the Koran. As some know, Muhammad could not read or write, and evidently had a good memory, so related what he believed the angel told him. I'll try to go into that more later as to the transmission and transcript. But that is not the essential point in my mind. The Bible speaks of new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness is to be. That's also at Revelation 21:1-5.
Speaking of denominations -- there are various denominations in both Islam and those groups claiming to be Christian.

 

[paarsurrey]

Thank you for mentioning that. I just spoke to a Muslim man (very nice) and he was raised in the U.S. He does not know how to read Arabic and is learning to read Arabic in his 20's. But it's slow. And there are English translations, various versions of the Koran. As some know, Muhammad could not read or write, and evidently had a good memory, so related what he believed the angel told him. I'll try to go into that more later as to the transmission and transcript. But that is not the essential point in my mind. The Bible speaks of new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness is to be. That's also at Revelation 21:1-5.
Speaking of denominations -- there are various denominations in both Islam and those groups claiming to be Christian.

" Revelation 21:1-5. "

Revelation 21:1-5 is not from (Jesus)Yeshua- the truthful Israelite Messiah ( who was neither a Zealot, nor he belonged to the Zionism people nor to the Judaism people), please, right?:
Holy Bible King James Version (Red Letter Edition)
The Roman Catholic Holy Bible with the words of Jesus in red.
World Messianic Bible
It is therefore not a reliable source for truthful guidance and or religious discussion, please, right?

Regards

 

[YoursTrue]

" Revelation 21:1-5. "

Revelation 21:1-5 is not from (Jesus)Yeshua- the truthful Israelite Messiah ( who was neither a Zealot, nor he belonged to the Zionism people nor to the Judaism people), please, right?:
Holy Bible King James Version (Red Letter Edition)
The Roman Catholic Holy Bible with the words of Jesus in red.
World Messianic Bible
It is therefore not a reliable source for truthful guidance and or religious discussion, please, right?

Regards

Wrong. The Bible is a reliable source, the words were inspired by God to faithful servants. And, it makes sense to me because the writings were by faithful men and preserved by God, also as a history of the world. Plus prophecies regarding the future.
Besides, weren't the words Mohammed said he heard and which he told to a transcriber supposed to have been told to him from an angel?

 

[YoursTrue]

" Revelation 21:1-5. "

Revelation 21:1-5 is not from (Jesus)Yeshua- the truthful Israelite Messiah ( who was neither a Zealot, nor he belonged to the Zionism people nor to the Judaism people), please, right?:
Holy Bible King James Version (Red Letter Edition)
The Roman Catholic Holy Bible with the words of Jesus in red.
World Messianic Bible
It is therefore not a reliable source for truthful guidance and or religious discussion, please, right?

Regards

Translations, yes, can differ but not that much. Besides, it is not required for a person to learn Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek to read the Bible. Not all would have the proper understanding anyway. Even if they could read those languages. Have a nice day. Salaam.

 

[paarsurrey]

jesus one of the most popular person ever lived​

post #27

apostle like Paul

(Jesus) Yeshua never appointed Saul of Tarsus aka Paul as his apostle, right, please?

Regards

 

[blü 2]

jesus is one of the most popular person ever lived

what do you think about that?

If belief in Jesus helps people treat each other with decency, respect and inclusion, that would be a good thing.

It seems to me more likely than not (albeit by a small margin) that there was an historical Jesus. However, if that's correct, we know very little about him.

So it seems to me the popular Jesus doesn't stand for one specific viewpoint but represents different sets of values to his various followers ─ and it's this flexibility that allows him to be so popular.

 

[danieldemol]

Our @YoursTrue and @Eli G with love.
" total Holy Bible publication at 5-7 billion. "

Bible has many versions differing from one another (denomination to denomination) so each version is to be taken as a separate book, please, right?
Quran has the same text everywhere in the world, and in original Arabic, since inception whatever the denomination of the Islam, right, please?

Regards

In that case you should be comparing only the sales of original arabic copies of the Quran in my view. Otherwise we would have to get into differences in the translations of the Quran, and the Ahmadiyya Muslim translation of the Quran is probably not that popular amongst Muslims in my view.

I wouldn't be surprised if you don't even know how many original arabic copies of the Quran are sold.