jesus one of the most popular person ever lived

[YoursTrue]

jesus one of the most popular person ever lived​

post #27

(Jesus) Yeshua never appointed Saul of Tarsus aka Paul as his apostle, right, please?

Regards

The basic sense of the word 'apostle' is one who is sent off as an emissary. Apostle - Wikipedia.

 

[Twilight Hue]

jesus is one of the most popular person ever lived

what do you think about that?

Well popular with religious Abrahamics anyways.

Can't say for the rest of the world.

 

[MayPeaceBeUpOnYou]

Speaking of denominations -- there are various denominations in both Islam and those groups claiming to be Christian.

Sure you are correct there are different sects but it’s not entirely similar
since the percentage of Sunni are almost 90 % and the Quran in Arabic is the same . The translation are different but that’s not because of the different sect but because of the translator and its interpretation For example There are different translations under Sunni and that’s fine. If there is any dispute between the translation, we use the Arabic Quran to resolve the dispute. Just wanted to clarify

 

[YoursTrue]

Sure you are correct there are different sects but it’s not entirely similar
since the percentage of Sunni are almost 90 % and the Quran in Arabic is the same . The translation are different but that’s not because of the different sect but because of the translator and its interpretation For example There are different translations under Sunni and that’s fine. If there is any dispute between the translation, we use the Arabic Quran to resolve the dispute. Just wanted to clarify

Thank you. I see Sunnis are the most populous. According to stats, Islam is the 2nd largest religion, that after those calling themselves Christian. Over 1 million though among the Sufi Muslims, I have a feeling this goes by family teaching. What do you think?

 

[MayPeaceBeUpOnYou]

Thank you. I see Sunnis are the most populous. According to stats, Islam is the 2nd largest religion, that after those calling themselves Christian. Over 1 million though among the Sufi Muslims, I have a feeling this goes by family teaching. What do you think?

Well people have a specific religion due to birth or converting. Sorry I don’t understand really understand your question?

 

[YoursTrue]

Well people have a specific religion due to birth or converting. Sorry I don’t understand really understand your question?

I was asking if you agree with that. I am sure some convert, but I would assume that the teaching of the sects would probably be family based. That's all. So you answered, thank you.

 

[Sir Joseph]

So instead of treating the different Jesus characters as different characters and polling the popularity of these individual characters accordingly you are treating them as one character so you can add their combined results in my view.

I see that as convenient for you, but not accurate for me.

In the end though in my view it doesn't matter. The popularity of Jesus can be refuted by a simple so what, because anything other than that appears to me to be an ad-populum argument.

Yes, I'd include all of the numbers of Christian, Catholic, Muslim, and any others who behold Jesus in some way towards a popularity count. If you had 20 friends who believed you were a passive, boring school teacher and 20 other friends who believed you were an active, secret agent assassin, I'd say you had 40 friends, even though half of them clearly had the wrong impression of you.

I agree that in the end it doesn't matter how we count the numbers. And yes, the best dismissal of my claim for Jesus' popularity and influence upon the world more than any other can be simply dismissed with "so what." That's a telling but fair response.

 

[Sir Joseph]

jesus one of the most popular person ever lived​

post #27

(Jesus) Yeshua never appointed Saul of Tarsus aka Paul as his apostle, right, please?

Regards

If you believe in Paul then you should believe Saul's encounter with Jesus on the road to Damascus recorded in Acts 9. There, the Lord (Jesus) specifically commissioned Saul to serve and suffer on his behalf. As an eye witness to the resurrected Jesus and subsequent missionary to such, Paul is generally considered an apostle.

 

[danieldemol]

That's a telling but fair response.

Well if it's fair then the only thing it's telling is that trying to impress people by pointing to popularity is like trying to impress people the earth is flat by an appeal to popularity in my view.

 

[Harel13]

jesus is one of the most popular person ever lived

what do you think about that?

When he was alive he wasn't so popular. In fact, not that many people had heard of him.

 

[YoursTrue]

When he was alive he wasn't so popular. In fact, not that many people had heard of him.

Interesting point, although he had followers and he also had rather influential haters.

 

[paarsurrey]

jesus one of the most popular person ever lived
paarsurrey said: post #27
(Jesus) Yeshua never appointed Saul of Tarsus aka Paul as his apostle, right, please?

The basic sense of the word 'apostle' is one who is sent off as an emissary. Apostle - Wikipedia.

Yeshua never sent Saul of Tarsus as his emissary to any people, Saul self appointed himself an apostle via an, I understand, a devilish vision never from Yeshua as Yeshua was alive and gone from Galilee to the Israelites ten lost tribes of the house of Israel residing in the East to whom G-d has sent him, right, please?

Regards

 

[YoursTrue]

jesus one of the most popular person ever lived
paarsurrey said: post #27
(Jesus) Yeshua never appointed Saul of Tarsus aka Paul as his apostle, right, please?

Yeshua never sent Saul of Tarsus as his emissary to any people, Saul self appointed himself an apostle via an, I understand, a devilish vision never from Yeshua as Yeshua was alive and gone from Galilee to the Israelites ten lost tribes of the house of Israel residing in the East to whom G-d has sent him, right, please?

Regards

Where are you getting this information from? I'd like to go over some information the Bible gives us. So -- hopefully we can start at the beginning about Paul. He was an Israelite of the tribe of Benjamin and an apostle of Jesus Christ. Ephesians 1:1 says, "Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To God’s holy people in Ephesus, the faithful in Christ Jesus" So Paul was an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God to God's holy people in Ephesus. So where was Ephesus? I had to look it up. Ephesus was an ancient city located on the western coast of Asia Minor which was in present-day Turkey. It was the capital of the Roman province of Asia and one of the largest cities in the Roman Empire. (That's just a beginning hopefully to see what the Bible says about Paul.)

 

[YoursTrue]

jesus one of the most popular person ever lived
paarsurrey said: post #27
(Jesus) Yeshua never appointed Saul of Tarsus aka Paul as his apostle, right, please?

Yeshua never sent Saul of Tarsus as his emissary to any people, Saul self appointed himself an apostle via an, I understand, a devilish vision never from Yeshua as Yeshua was alive and gone from Galilee to the Israelites ten lost tribes of the house of Israel residing in the East to whom G-d has sent him, right, please?

Regards

By the way, paarsurrey, I realize you are getting this information from "somewhere," so I will just tell you what I know and think, ok? (I hope so. please... )

 

[YoursTrue]

So, @paarsurrey, to recap, going over the information a little bit about Paul, he was of the tribe of Benjamin. You probably have learned there was a tribal arrangement in Israel and this was based on coming from the 12 sons of Jacob, each having a family head. Jacob lived long before Paul. You have heard of the 12 tribes of Israel, haven't you? If not we can go over that somewhat.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

jesus is one of the most popular person ever lived

what do you think about that?

I think that about 2/3 to 3/4 of the world are not impressed. Being an all-powerful deity ought to guarantee better results than that.

 

[paarsurrey]

So, @paarsurrey, to recap, going over the information a little bit about Paul, he was of the tribe of Benjamin. You probably have learned there was a tribal arrangement in Israel and this was based on coming from the 12 sons of Jacob, each having a family head. Jacob lived long before Paul. You have heard of the 12 tribes of Israel, haven't you? If not we can go over that somewhat.

On Saul of Tarsus who changed his name to Paul, one (@YoursTrue ) may like to read the following, please, right?:

SAUL OF TARSUS - JewishEncyclopedia.com

Complete contents the 1906 Jewish Encyclopedia.

www.jewishencyclopedia.com

So, Paul was "The Apostle of Heathen " and his " claim in Rom. xi. 1 and Phil. iii. 5 that he was of the tribe of Benjamin" is " false one ", please, right?

Regards

 

[YoursTrue]

Please see my recent post. Thank you.

 

[YoursTrue]

On Saul of Tarsus who changed his name to Paul, one (@YoursTrue ) may like to read the following, please, right?:

SAUL OF TARSUS - JewishEncyclopedia.com

Complete contents the 1906 Jewish Encyclopedia.

www.jewishencyclopedia.com

So, Paul was "The Apostle of Heathen " and his " claim in Rom. xi. 1 and Phil. iii. 5 that he was of the tribe of Benjamin" is " false one ", please, right?

Regards

Sorry, but the article is tainted with slurs and false accusations. I'm a bit surprised that someone who reads the Bible regularly would agree or put thumbs up for your citation there. But if that's what you believe and want to believe, yes -- we can table the discussion and just like others, have a good one.

 

[YoursTrue]

It's kind of almost like Moses in front of Pharaoh. Until the day came that the confrontation was -- over.