YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
But maybe that's based on myth, would you say?
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IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
does it matter their names? no.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
You really do have a reading comprehension problem. My prior answer made it clear that I think Moses is a historical person.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
The law is not a myth. You really have problems discerning genre, don't you.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
You're saying you don't think Jews today are real Jews? Well, now at least you have shown your antisemitism for all the room to see.
It matters when you want to be taken seriously in this issue.
I don't believe any authentic Jew consider Adan, Enoch, Noah or Moses as myths.
I wish there would be here a real Jew to tell the real thing about your position, cause I think you may be considered by other Jews like an apostate or something like that.
Good night.
stvdv
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Sathya Sai Baba was the Poorna Avatar of this Age, born in India in 1926
Imagine you had the chance to meet and stay with Jesus. Well, that is why those years were the most amazing years of my life
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
People who say "a Jewish" are obviously people who are still learning the english language.What the hell is a Jewish?
Is this something apart from a Jew?
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
No, I think it is plain for your continual personal attacks (such as inferring that I'm not an authentic Jew, etc.) that it is not worth my while for me to try to dig up historical specifics. Your mind is made up that Genesis 1 is literal history and everyone who says otherwise is [insert insult].It matters when you want to be taken seriously in this issue.
I don't believe any authentic Jew consider Adan, Enoch, Noah or Moses as myths.
I wish there would be here a real Jew to tell the real thing about your position, cause I think you may be considered by other Jews like an apostate or something like that.
Good night.
You are taking my posts to you in the wrong way. The one who is trying to accuse me of something is you.
I am just saying that I don't consider modern Jews the same as biblical Jews, and I already gave you my reasons. It does not mean absolutly anything about antisemitism as you are trying to put on me ...
Even if I don't see modern Jews like I consider biblical Jews, YOU are a special case to me, cause I never heard of modern Jews, not only biblical Jews, saying those things you say; that the Bible contains myths, really? Is that a modern Jewish thing?
You said others think like you, but you didn´t prove that. You may be talking about your group of "Jews" friends in the university? Well, I don't need their names; now I understand what you mean.
Have you tell what you think about Adan and Noah to your rabbi? I guess you have a few of them in your synagogue.
Now I can sleep in peace. You may too, cause you are taking things a little too much personal without real reasons. And YES, I am learning English, but I am very proud about the point I had reached on my studies. Isn't it a pretty nice English to you?
Again: good night.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
I tend to take it personal when someone tries to tell me that I'm not a Jew.
RabbiO
הרב יונה בן זכריה
You write the above and then are shocked when the person you address it to take offense?It matters when you want to be taken seriously in this issue.
I don't believe any authentic Jew consider Adan, Enoch, Noah or Moses as myths.
I wish there would be here a real Jew to tell the real thing about your position, cause I think you may be considered by other Jews like an apostate or something like that.
Good night.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
I thought about this. So can you answer when the holy scriptures in what is often called the "Old Testament" are true and not mythological?
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
being mythological is not the same as being untrue. it means not historical, but myths relay important values and eternal truths.
For example, you believe in Jesus' parables, you think they are true, even though you acknowlege that they are not historical.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
That's not what I asked though. Moses wrote the first 5 books, or what most of us consider the first 5 books of the Torah, didn't he? OK, we'll leave out the last few sentences in Deuteronomy. Referring to his death. So what about the giving of the Law at Mt. Sinai? Was that a myth, too? I mean, yes -- at what point is there real history. I'm not talking about Jesus now. I'm talking about the history of the Jews before Jesus in the Torah you have up front in the synagogue. Myth? Or real history?
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
@IndigoChild5559 - So actually, what do you believe about the Tanakh? What's true and not true, or mythological. Anything?
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
No, Moses did not write the Torah -- it has at least four (or more) different authors. However, the law does indeed exist, and so there would be an original person who wrote it up, and we can call that person Moses.
Some things are clearly legend. Other things are clearly history. And many things we cannot be sure of. It doesn't really matter. What matters is the lessons these stories teach.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
It would help if you would only ask the same question once. I just answered this in your other post.
dybmh
דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
Are you aware of this? These are the 13 principles of Jewish faith detailed by Rambam. It's a good list. Notice, there is no requiement for biblical literalism on this list. Arguably, the 3rd principle prohibits it since there are times when Jehovah is described in human terms, in poetic language. But Jehovah is not corporeal. We agree on this, correct?It matters when you want to be taken seriously in this issue.
I don't believe any authentic Jew consider Adan, Enoch, Noah or Moses as myths.
I wish there would be here a real Jew to tell the real thing about your position, cause I think you may be considered by other Jews like an apostate or something like that.
Good night.
If Jehovah is not corporeal, then that means that there *must* be occasions when the scripture is read non-literally.
1. Belief in the existence of the Creator, who is perfect in every manner of existence and is the Primary Cause of all that exists.
2. The belief in G‑d's absolute and unparalleled unity.
3. The belief in G‑d's non-corporeality, nor that He will be affected by any physical occurrences, such as movement, or rest, or dwelling.
4. The belief in G‑d's eternity.
5. The imperative to worship G‑d exclusively and no foreign false gods.
6. The belief that G‑d communicates with man through prophecy.
7. The belief in the primacy of the prophecy of Moses our teacher.
8. The belief in the divine origin of the Torah.
9. The belief in the immutability of the Torah.
10. The belief in G‑d's omniscience and providence.
11. The belief in divine reward and retribution.
12. The belief in the arrival of the Messiah and the messianic era.
13. The belief in the resurrection of the dead.