YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
I'm not saying much here except to say that there were and are many different religions. Considering that the Jews were exhorted to listen to one God only.
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YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
As much as I know, if the inside of a rib is removed but not the covering, the rib recovers itself. Not sure how Moses knew that. But it does seem fantastic, even to the point of incredible, but that is how the Bible describes it and somehow it rings true in the sense that woman was taken out of man, as a complement to him. Do I understand it? No, not really further than the Bible teaches and I believe it is the truth. Does it contend with the theory of evolution? Yes. I would say it does for sure. Now what truth is expressed? Firstly, that God Almighty created the heavens and the earth. And that man and woman were made in God's image. "Let us make man in our image." Genesis 1:26.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
I have been looking at horrible photographs and history of the holocaust as well as other human travesties. God does not forget.
dybmh
דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
I agree with this. When *we* choose sin, *we* are not in harmony. When *they* chose sin, I see it as a special unique case.
Bharat Jhunjhunwala
TruthPrevails
Yes I do believe Moses got the message at Sinai. Whether he inscribed them on stone tablets then and thee, I am not so sure. Perhaps he did that later.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Yes, it is a rather vivid description in the scriptures of the transmission of the Ten Words or Commandments from God written on stone tablets given to Moses.
The Bhagavad-Gita is the Song of God.
Return is like the sun rising or returning each day. Although it is the same sun we call it by different names for example Monday, Tuesday etc Krishna who is the Sun of Truth returns in each day or age. with a different Name of God. It is a spiritual reality, a great spiritual Being Who appears at these times not the same physical individual returning.
It’s possible that in the future a woman will appear in our world as a Messiah for a future age. Spiritual hereditary is not dependent on bloodlines.
God in this age wishes us to treat animals with kindness and it is said that man will eventually voluntarily cease eating meat.
When one understands who Jesus is - no it's not bizarre that he prayed to our Father who is separate but one with Jesus. A good way to visualize and understand who Jesus is is he is a direct clone of God our Father.
Everything Jesus did was a teaching for man. He didn't have to pray out loud, he didn't have to pray at all - all he needed to do was think. You know Jesus could read minds and if he could read minds, our Father definitely can.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Jesus was not omniscient and did not read minds. When the hemmoraghic woman touched him, he had no idea who it was, but had to ask "Who touched me?"
River Sea
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I just discovered her YouTube channel.
Gaiea Sanskrit
She's singing Bhagavad Gītā Chapter 1
I'm not done listening. I'm still going through this video.
- Did Jesus ever sing this too in any of his avatars?
- Can you explain more about the names of the days of the week? Why do we have 7 days? How did anyone grasp the concept of a week? Did they study anything to confirm the number of days in a week?
- I believe we all live forever, and I understand reincarnation and avatars. Programmers programs. What I'm observing is why some programs remain while others fade; what causes that, do you know?
I just discover her now, so I need to yet listen., so I'm sharing this as I found just now
- I comprehend light only because a few times I've seen light from within people radiate outward, and from there I made the assumption that light lives in all of us, and the reason why I don't see light in them radiate outward is because they're blocking the light.
River Sea
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Welcome Sun, Welcome Fire - Agni, Indra, Sūrya - Sanskrit Song
You would write about sun.
Because this is a Jesus thread, I'll ask: What were those stars that the wise men saw and that led them to Jesus? What is a star?
Wow I must add this., this is in the comment area of youtube. (forgive my sloppy writing today)
I can relate. Fire in my heart. That's light feeds my spirit heart, fire...
I notice this personally when I allow light teach me in my situations
You would write about sun.
Because this is a Jesus thread, I'll ask: What were those stars that the wise men saw and that led them to Jesus? What is a star?
Wow I must add this., this is in the comment area of youtube. (forgive my sloppy writing today)
I can relate. Fire in my heart. That's light feeds my spirit heart, fire...
I notice this personally when I allow light teach me in my situations
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If you say so
But the scripture indicates he does read minds
Luke 6:8 but he knew what they were thinking
Luke 11:7 but he knew their thoughts and said to them
Mark 2:8 immediately Jesus aware in his spirit
Matthew 12:25 knowing their thoughts Jesus said
Matthew 22:18 but Jesus perceived their malice and said to them
John 2:25 because he did not need anyone to testify, concerning man because he himself knew what was in man
muhammad_isa
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Isn't Jesus reported to have said..
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
- Matthew 24 -
..so no, Jesus is not omniscient.
Your quotes prove nothing. Jesus only knows through intuition, or what "our Father" informs him of.
HaEmeth
Truth sets free
That's the inevitable conclusion based on a myriad of Scriptures (NIV), a sampling of which follows:
Matthew 24:36 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."
John 14:28 “You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I."
John 14:28 “You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I."
The same conclusion the Anti-Nicene fathers, like Tertullian, Origen, etc., reached on the nature of the Christ:
No theologian in the first three Christian centuries was a trinitarian in the sense of a believing that the one God is tripersonal, containing equally divine “persons”, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
The terms we translate as “Trinity” (Latin: trinitas, Greek: trias) seem to have come into use only in the last two decades of the second century; but such usage doesn’t reflect trinitarian belief. These late second and third century authors use such terms not to refer to the one God, but rather to refer to the plurality of the one God, together with his Son (on Word) and his Spirit. They profess a “trinity”, triad or threesome, but not a triune or tripersonal God. Nor did they consider these to be equally divine. A common strategy for defending monotheism in this period is to emphasize the unique divinity of the Father. Thus Origen (ca. 186–255),
You were on the right track but then you did a 180 degree turn around and said the polar opposite of your first statement: The terms we translate as “Trinity” (Latin: trinitas, Greek: trias) seem to have come into use only in the last two decades of the second century; but such usage doesn’t reflect trinitarian belief. These late second and third century authors use such terms not to refer to the one God, but rather to refer to the plurality of the one God, together with his Son (on Word) and his Spirit. They profess a “trinity”, triad or threesome, but not a triune or tripersonal God. Nor did they consider these to be equally divine. A common strategy for defending monotheism in this period is to emphasize the unique divinity of the Father. Thus Origen (ca. 186–255),
The God and Father, who holds the universe together, is superior to every being that exists, for he imparts to each one from his own existence that which each one is; the Son, being less than the Father, is superior to rational creatures alone (for he is second to the Father); the Holy Spirit is still less, and dwells within the saints alone. So that in this way the power of the Father is greater than that of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and that of the Son is more than that of the Holy Spirit… (Origen, First, 33–4 [I.3])
Trinity > History of Trinitarian Doctrines (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)A belief that runs counter to what the Ante-Nicene fathers believed. The Church of the First Three Centuries with Special Reference to the Doctrine of the Trinity - Lamson, Alvan, 1792-1864 | Internet Archive, p. 56 makes a telling point:
The modern popular doctrine of the Trinity ... derives no support from the language of Justin [Martyr]: and this observation may be extended to all the ante-Nicene Fathers; that is, to all Christian writers for three centuries after the birth of Christ. It is true, they speak of the Father, Son, and prophetic or holy Spirit, but not as co-equal, not as one numerical essence, not as Three in One,' in any sense now admitted by Trinitarians. The very reverse is the fact. The doctrine of the Trinity, as explained by these Fathers, was essentially different from the modern doctrine. This we state as a fact as susceptible of proof as any fact in the history of human opinions.
How did this Trinity doctrine develop? It was formulated by no less than the pagan Emperor Constantine himself:
The decisive catchword of the Nicene confession, namely, homoousios ("of one substance"), comes from no less a person than the emperor himself. To the present day no one has cleared up the problem of where the emperor got the term. - A Short History of Christian Doctrine, p. 52 by Lohse, Bernhard, 1928-1997 | Internet Archive
What seemed especially objectionable to many bishops and theologians of the East was the concept put into the creed by Constantine himself, the homoousios, which in the subsequent strife between orthodoxy and heresy became the object of dissension. - A Short History of Christian Doctrine, p. 53 by Lohse, Bernhard, 1928-1997 | Internet Archive
What seemed especially objectionable to many bishops and theologians of the East was the concept put into the creed by Constantine himself, the homoousios, which in the subsequent strife between orthodoxy and heresy became the object of dissension. - A Short History of Christian Doctrine, p. 53 by Lohse, Bernhard, 1928-1997 | Internet Archive
More damning is the statement from The Encyclopædia Britannica:
What role did this unbaptized emperor play at the Council of Nicaea? The Encyclopædia Britannica relates: “Constantine himself presided, actively guiding the discussions, and personally proposed . . . the crucial formula expressing the relation of Christ to God in the creed issued by the council, ‘of one substance with the Father’ . . . Overawed by the emperor, the bishops, with two exceptions only, signed the creed, many of them much against their inclination.” - How Did the Trinity Doctrine Develop?
Mere men have "distort[ed] the truth", with their Trinitarian doctrine - (Acts 20:30, NIV)
Worship by anyone who believes in a mere teaching of men would be invalid: "Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. - Matthew 15:7-9, KJV
I think that the Words of all the Avatars are like a heavenly song to the soul which inspires and uplifts us. I find this heavenly language in the Gospels, the Beatitudes, the Quran, the Dhamapadda and the Hidden Words of Baha’u’llah. They all bring comfort, joy and happiness like a beautiful melody does.
In the Bible it mentions seven days in Genesis.
My understanding is that those things which come from God are eternal.
Spiritual music tends to lift our souls to higher spiritual states of joy, inner peace and ecstasy.
The Wise Men were Magi, priests of the Zoroastrian Faith which prophesied the coming of Jesus. They were inspired to follow this star.
Intuition - a whole lot more than intuition - but that is another debate that Christian - and what separates his church in so many different denominations. That's why Paul said the righteous scarcely makes it.
In the thing is I didn't say how Jesus read minds, I said he could read minds and all the power that Jesus had while he walked upon the Earth in a flesh body came from God our Father which means Jesus could read minds.
John 1:1-2 in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.
Who is the word of God, Jesus is the word of God, and that scripture says Jesus is God.
John 20:28 Thomas said my Lord and my God when speaking to Jesus after his resurrection.
John 8:48-59 Jesus said before Abraham was I Am who is I am Yahweh when the Pharisees told him that Jesus was too young to even know Abraham
Jesus was God in the flesh - and the Word became flesh and came unto his own.
Bharat Jhunjhunwala
TruthPrevails
River Sea
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Egypt: Is there no volcano in Sinai? Why is this so? What prevents that land from having a volcano like Iran? Taftan Volcano, for example. Moses had to have traveled through Iran.
Did Jesus ever visit Iran to pray? I'm curious if Jesus, like Moses, ever climbed Taftan Volcano.
YouTube video showing Taftan Volcano
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