Jesus raised Himself from the dead

[Colt]

Then there is no spiritual significance whatsoever.

It was proof of his identity and life after death. That's significant!

 

[Colt]

Jesus, the Son of God was a creation of the Father before this world was.

 

[loverofhumanity]

John 2:19-22
Jesus answered and said to them: Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. But he spoke about the temple of his body. Now when he was raised from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this, and they believed the Scripture and the word that Jesus had spoken.

According to the Bible, only Jesus' body died, but the spirit within him never died and cannot die. Because all things exist through him, if his spirit would die, the whole world would perish.
What do you think about it?

Truth cannot be killed. Jesus lives on in the hearts and minds of His followers 2000 years later. So they never really killed Jesus only His body.

 

[37818]

According to the Bible, only Jesus' body died, . . .

John 10:15, ". . . I lay down my life [soul] for the sheep. . . ."
Isaiah 53: , ". . . he hath poured out his soul unto death: . . ."
And this was completed before He died in His body, John 19:28, ". . . Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, . . ." That word is the same "It is finished."

His physical death was for His resurrection.

 

[37818]

Jesus, the Son of God was a creation of the Father before this world was.

Jesus Christ is the uncreated Creator, John 1:3, John 1:10, Colossians 1:16-18, Ephesians 3:9, ". . . God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: . . ."

 

[firedragon]

According to the Bible, only Jesus' body died,

Which verse? Or is that an inference? Which verse explicitly says that? This is a core doctrine and at least one explicit verse or several should be there.

Because all things exist through him

John's prologue. A well known latter addition to the Gospel of John, which is also anonymous. No credibility.

 

[LightofTruth]

Jesus is God, so returning from the death of his body on his own volition is the same as saying "God raised him up".

People who believe in the preexistent divinity of Jesus tend to quote Jesus, people who don't tend to quote Paul.

It was the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ who raised him from the dead.

 

[Colt]

Jesus Christ is the uncreated Creator, John 1:3, John 1:10, Colossians 1:16-18, Ephesians 3:9, ". . . God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: . . ."

The Son is ancestral to the Father. He came into being at some time in the eternal past.

 

[Colt]

It was the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ who raised him from the dead.

Only his temporary mortal body died. He returned on his own as he said he would, as he said he could.

 

[Colt]

Which verse? Or is that an inference? Which verse explicitly says that? This is a core doctrine and at least one explicit verse or several should be there.



John's prologue. A well known latter addition to the Gospel of John, which is also anonymous. No credibility.

Matthew 27:50 And when Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, he gave up his spirit.

 

[firedragon]

Matthew 27:50 And when Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, he gave up his spirit.

That means "Jesus' body died and his spirit lived on"? Really? It just says "He gave up his spirit".

Thats why I said "Which verse? Or is that an inference? Which verse explicitly says that? This is a core doctrine and at least one explicit verse or several should be there."

 

[Colt]

That means "Jesus' body died and his spirit lived on"? Really? It just says "He gave up his spirit".

Thats why I said "Which verse? Or is that an inference? Which verse explicitly says that? This is a core doctrine and at least one explicit verse or several should be there."

In light of the story, before during and after the resurrection, why do you even need an "explicit verse" ?

 

[firedragon]

In light of the story, before during and after the resurrection, why do you even need an "explicit verse" ?

Nah. I dont need anything really. It is the proponent of that doctrine who needs.

Anyway, I think you concede there is no explicit verse.

 

[Colt]

In light of the story, before during and after the resurrection, why do you even need an "explicit verse" ?

Funny thing, that term "gave up his spirit" isn't used in reference to death anywhere else in scripture.

Anyway, seeing how Jesus returned in a form that would "suddenly appear" and vanish at will, the rest of us get it.

 

[Clear]

@Teritos said in the O.P. regarding Jesus : "Because all things exist through him, if his spirit would die, the whole world would perish.
What do you think about it?"

Hi Teritos

While I agree that Jesus was, in early Christian thought, the agent of creation of created things, I am not sure what you mean that if Jesus' spirit would die, "the whole world would perish". Are you saying that created things would cease to exist? Can you explain your theory?

Clear

 

[Teritos]

@Teritos said in the O.P. regarding Jesus : "Because all things exist through him, if his spirit would die, the whole world would perish.
What do you think about it?"

Hi Teritos

While I agree that Jesus was, in early Christian thought, the agent of creation of created things, I am not sure what you mean that if Jesus' spirit would die, "the whole world would perish". Are you saying that created things would cease to exist? Can you explain your theory?

Clear

Jesus is not an "agent", nobody created with God the world, God alone created everything. He alone.
Jesus is God, through him was everything created and in him all things are held together. If he dies, the whole creation dies. The whole creation is alive through Jesus, but if the source of Life dies, the creation would perish.

 

[LightofTruth]

Only his temporary mortal body died. He returned on his own as he said he would, as he said he could.

Actually, they killed Jesus.

 

[Colt]

Actually, they killed Jesus.

Actually, he returned and spoke with a number of believers who also thought he was dead.


Luke 24

While Jesus' disciples were talking about what had happened, Jesus appeared and greeted them. They were frightened and terrified because they thought they were seeing a ghost.

 

[Clear]

Hi @Teritos

Teritos said : "Jesus is not an "agent", nobody created with God the world, God alone created everything." (post #56)
I was using the word "agent" as someone who produces a certain effect, (though in early Judeo-Christian thought, the messiah created the world on behalf of another.)
Regardless of which definition one is using, I simply meant to confirm that Jesus is, in your theory, the creator of all things that were created. If I understood you correctly, the answer is "yes".

Teritos said : "Jesus is God, through him was everything created and in him all things are held together. If he dies, the whole creation dies." (post #56)
I just want to make sure I understand your personal theological theory.

I think you are saying that in your opinion, if Jesus died (i.e. became non-existent), then the things he created would also become non-existent as well? Do I understand your theory correctly?

Thanks for clarifying.

clear
δρσεφιω

 

[Teritos]

Hi @Teritos

Teritos said : "Jesus is not an "agent", nobody created with God the world, God alone created everything." (post #56)
I was using the word "agent" as someone who produces a certain effect, (though in early Judeo-Christian thought, the messiah created the world on behalf of another.)
Regardless of which definition one is using, I simply meant to confirm that Jesus is, in your theory, the creator of all things that were created. If I understood you correctly, the answer is "yes".

Teritos said : "Jesus is God, through him was everything created and in him all things are held together. If he dies, the whole creation dies." (post #56)
I just want to make sure I understand your personal theological theory.

I think you are saying that in your opinion, if Jesus died (i.e. became non-existent), then the things he created would also become non-existent as well? Do I understand your theory correctly?

Thanks for clarifying.

clear
δρσεφιω

Nobody created with God the world. God alone through himself everything was created.

The bible says that Jesus is the Life and If the Life is dead, all things are dead. Jesus is like electricity, he is the one who makes everything work. But when Jesus is gone, everything goes off. Jesus is everywhere, He keeps the creation alive.