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Actually, they killed Jesus.
John 2:19-22
Jesus answered and said to them: Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. But he spoke about the temple of his body. Now when he was raised from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this, and they believed the Scripture and the word that Jesus had spoken.
According to the Bible, only Jesus' body died, but the spirit within him never died and cannot die. Because all things exist through him, if his spirit would die, the whole world would perish.
What do you think about it?
Yes, I believe that the scriptures explain it well.....Deeje said : "Exactly. If Jesus didn't die, the ransom is not paid and we remain in our sins, unforgiven. (Romans 5:12)" (post #62).
I notice you referred to a "ransom" that must be paid in order for us to be forgiven.
Can you explain what or who we are being "ransomed" by inside Jehovahs Witness Theology?
Who is holding mankind ransom?
What is the nature and motive to be "held ransom"?
What is the actual price that is being paid for this ransom?
Excellent Scriptures!According to the Bible, Jesus himself died and God raised him from the dead.
Act_2:24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
Act_2:32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
Act_3:15 And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.
Act_4:10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
Act_5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
Act_13:30 But God raised him from the dead:
Act_13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.
Act_13:37 But he, whom God raised again, saw no corruption.
Rom_7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God
Rom_8:34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
Rom_10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
1Co_6:14 And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power.
1Co_15:15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
Gal_1:1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead.
Col_2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
1Th 5:10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.
1Pe_1:21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
Hey Clear, hope you and yours are doing well!Hi @Deeje
I appreciate your explanation regarding what a ransom is and a bit about what it entails in your theology.
Can you explain WHO is it that is holding mankind ransom?
For example, in some theories, I've heard it explained that the Devil (somehow) holds mankind ransom (e.g.) as a slave and the price is paid to him.
In other theologies, I've heard it explained that God himself (somehow) holds mankind ransom and the price is paid to him.
In other theologies I've heard it attempts to explain it as a figurative ransom that is (somehow) paid to honor a concept (e.g. justice).
Thanks for any clarification on your theology regarding WHO is holding mankind ransom.
Clear
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Can you explain WHO is it that is holding mankind ransom?
For example, in some theories, I've heard it explained that the Devil (somehow) holds mankind ransom (e.g.) as a slave and the price is paid to him.
In other theologies, I've heard it explained that God himself (somehow) holds mankind ransom and the price is paid to him.
In other theologies I've heard attempts to explain it as a figurative ransom that is (somehow) paid to honor a concept (e.g. justice).
The atonement theory contaminated the religion about Jesus after he returned to heaven. The Father has always been forgiving.Adam sold his children into slavery to sin and death with no way for any of them to pay the debt that he had left them.
Such was his love for mankind, that God provided the ransom price himself with the life of his own son. (John 3:16)
A redeemer in Israel could pay a debt for a relative or friend and release that one from a life of servitude....that is what God and his son did for us.
I don't believe that when someone is dead he still exists, when someone is "brain death" he is gone. The soul in Hebrew means "life", animals are also called souls. But if the living being is dead, he is no longer a soul, no longer a living being, but a dead being.We have a soul which can never cease to exist, it will live on into all eternity after our body dies.
When we die, our soul goes back to God, who places it in a holding area called Sheol. Then on judgement day God will reunite everyone who has ever lived with their body, then Jesus will cast all those who never knew Him into the lake of fire where they will be tormented in fire forever. He will also receive all believers into His ever lasting paradise.I don't believe that when someone is dead he still exists, when someone is "brain death" he is gone. The soul in Hebrew means "life", animals are also called souls. But if the living being is dead, he is no longer a soul, no longer a living being, but a dead being.
As a New Testament Christian I must disagree. According to John 1:14 the Son is the Word. According to Revelation 19:13 this is affirmed. And according to John 1:3 He is the sole cause of all caused things by God. Unless He is acknowledge as God too one does not know God, John 14:6.The Son is ancestral to the Father. He came into being at some time in the eternal past.
I would like to make two things clear.
The sacrifice took place on the cross. The body was slaughtered and the blood was shed, as required by the Law of Moses. But Jesus himself, who lived in that body, that is his spirit, did not die, nor can he die. This would be a big contradiction if the one through whom everything was created and through whom everything is held together were dead.
Someone here is quoting scriptures that show that God raised him, yes, I agree. Jesus is God who raised his own body. What died was never God himself, but his body.
Son isn't the Father.As a New Testament Christian I must disagree. According to John 1:14 the Son is the Word. According to Revelation 19:13 this is affirmed. And according to John 1:3 He is the sole cause of all caused things by God. Unless He is acknowledge as God too one does not know God, John 14:6.
And the Father is not the Son. Ephesians 3:9, ". . . God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: . . ." Genesis 1:1, "IN the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."Son isn't the Father.