Jesus:Real or myth?

[arcanum]

I've never heard Christians call Jesus "G-d", that must be colourful wording?
I know some Xians do say that, but, I don't think it is a given.

Anyways.....interesting title..

How could have not heard of it and then in the next sentence say you have heard of it? Yes some Christian groups have equated Jesus with being the earthly manifestation of God....your debating in a thread about Jesus and this very commonly known fact is opaque to you?

 

[steeltoes]

Leaving aside the fact that I own and have read a fairly substantial number of them, your suggestion is as hypocritical as it is disingenuous since you've demonstrated nothing but the most preposterous contempt for scholarship and those who engage in it. But, then again, I take your childish taunts no more seriously than I do your adolescent conspiracy 'theory.'

You engage in personal attacks and nothing more, how insightful of you.

 

[columbus]

Leaving aside the fact that I own and have read a fairly substantial number of them, .'

You may have a good opinion on the theory that makes sense to me.

Suppose Jesus had been a social reformer/ antiRoman activist. The apostles were his inner circle. Disciples with varying degrees of knowledge followed him to.
Paul learned of the social teachings, never the antigovernment stuff. So Paul created a religion about Jesus that left out the most important stuff.

Do you have reason to disregard this? It seems like a theory Jewish history scholars would have the most informed opinions about.

Tom

 

[Desert Snake]

How could have not heard of it and then in the next sentence say you have heard of it? Yes some Christian groups have equated Jesus with being the earthly manifestation of God....your debating in a thread about Jesus and this very commonly known fact is opaque to you?

Are you familiar with this subject? Or purposely being obtuse?

Your comment doesn't apply to my statement.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

You may have a good opinion on the theory that makes sense to me.

Suppose Jesus had been a social reformer/ antiRoman activist. The apostles were his inner circle. Disciples with varying degrees of knowledge followed him to.
Paul learned of the social teachings, never the antigovernment stuff.

I suspect that this is a false dichotomy and that "antigovernment" is over-reach.

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

My opinions on the matter are informed by biblical scholars,

Sure, and mine are even more informed by biblical scholars than yours are. But what's your point?

I don't claim to be one nor claim to know more than them....unlike the master debater, the notorious AG.

Of course you claim to know more than them. You just now informed us of 'the most likely scenario,' didn't you? Do you think every biblical scholar on the face of the planet agrees with your most likely Jesus scenario?

No. You think you know more than the scholars. Everyone who opines on Jesus necessary does that. So why do you continue to mention it?

 

[fantome profane]

Then I can only suggest that you read some books.

Would you be so kind as to name a few of the books that you have read that you would recommend?

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

Leaving aside the fact that I own and have read a fairly substantial number of them...

Well, I guess we'll have to each decide for ourselves whether that is so or not. I'm afraid I just can't believe it. Not unless you'll present some evidence that you do actually know anything about the historical Jesus. This is a debate forum. How about joining the debate?

... your suggestion is as hypocritical as it is disingenuous since you've demonstrated nothing but the most preposterous contempt for scholarship and those who engage in it. But, then again, I take your childish taunts no more seriously than I do your adolescent conspiracy 'theory.'

Forgive me, but I haven't the least interest in what you take seriously or what you don't.

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

Would you be so kind as to name a few of the books that you have read that you would recommend?

Oh, I don't read books about the historical Jesus. Considering the way I'm able to out-debate the HJers already, that really would be an unfair advantage for me.

I recognize that not everyone has my gifts so I try to take on as many handicaps as possible, to level the field a little.

I really am a wonderful person, you know.

 

[oldbadger]

Oh blimey! I pop over here from the other thread for a bit of peace, quiet and mature discussion, and they're all here as well......... the three just-mythers. There's no justice.....

 

[fantome profane]

Then I can only suggest that you read some books.

Oh, I don't read books about the historical Jesus.

I just want people to see this.

 

[oldbadger]

I recognize that not everyone has my gifts so I try to take on as many handicaps as possible, to level the field a little.

Yeah....... but it's an easy subject for you. All you have to remember is 'It's all a myf'.

I really am a wonderful person, you know.

I know you are, after that member who came, abused and went, I decided that by comparison you were one of the most reasonable people I had ever debated with....... but I was in shock just then, traumatised....... you know?

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

Oh blimey! I pop over here from the other thread for a bit of peace, quiet and mature discussion, and they're all here as well......... the three just-mythers. There's no justice.....

They're just labels, but I don't think Jayhawker is a myther so much as a denialist.

But you could ask him.

 

[oldbadger]

I just want people to see this.

You do deserve a frubal for that........ Yeah..... a frubal

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

I just want people to see this.

Thank you, thank you, thank you. Finally you are coming to understand.

 

[oldbadger]

They're just labels, but I don't think Jayhawker is a myther so much as a denialist.

But you could ask him.

You don't mind labels, do you?
I'll bet you're a 'Sticks and stones can hurt my bones but names could never hurt me' kind of guy ..... would that be correct?

Is so........ could I just call you the denialist? It makes it easier for me when you ask questions about HJ details and stuff.

 

[fantome profane]

Thank you, thank you, thank you. Finally you are coming to understand.

I think I have understood you from the beginning.

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

I think I have understood you from the beginning.

Great. So are you ready to debate the historical Jesus with me?

Message #48 in this thread. I await your thoughtful rebuttal.

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

You don't mind labels, do you?
I'll bet you're a 'Sticks and stones can hurt my bones but names could never hurt me' kind of guy ..... would that be correct?

Is so........ could I just call you the denialist? It makes it easier for me when you ask questions about HJ details and stuff.

I think labels are for those who don't think deeply enough into people and issues.

Sorry. That's how I see it.

 

[oldbadger]

I think labels are for those who don't think deeply enough into people and issues.

Sorry. That's how I see it.

Don't be sorry...... Yeah...... that's how I see it too..... so I asked if I could label you.
But I learn stuff on these threads, whereas I suspect that you don't need to.... You've got your whole encyclopedia on Jesus built already, as in :-
It's all a myth
But there's an upside to your scholarship..... you probably won't forget too much.