Jesus Resurrection

[Subduction Zone]

According to Richard Career (the jesus myth theorist scholar that you quoted) Paul is the author of those letters.

Is seems to me that you are jumping from one theory to an other

Paul is one of the few known authors in the New Testament, so you have that right.

 

[Jollybear]

No, that is your claim, not mine.

I mentioned to you the extra sensory knowledge surounding pauls experience and you said this

"You do realize that you are relying on Paul's account for the Ananias claimclaim, don't you? You are using circular logic. To claim that Paul had such knowledge You would need an outside source."

Yes, im relying on his account because hes not lying to me, which means his claim about ananias is true.

You even said hes not lying, RIGHT?

 

[Jollybear]

BWAHAHA I notice none of you are speaking tome I keep forgetting I am not smart enough for you to preach at me. Anyways nope your wrong they are copies of copies of copies of copies.

They have the KJ version of the 1600s version bible, and todays bible has nothing in common with the original anyways even from the 1600s much less bible times.

Yes, theres copies of copies of copies, ect.

But theres copies dated early and very little is changed.

 

[Riders]

Yes, theres copies of copies of copies, ect.

But theres copies dated early and very little is changed.

Its changed drastically. They are not dated early the video I saw says they are dated way after Jesus death.

 

[leroy]

Only Paul made the five hundred witnesses claim. James "book" is very short and he makes no such claim. The apostles did not attest to anything that I know of.

For example, the appearance to Peter is attested by Luke and Paul

How do you explain it

1 Was Peter a like Paul (a crazy lunatic that hallucinates)

2 Was peter a lier ?

3 Paul and luke where lying (or quoting from a legend)


What happened?

 

[Subduction Zone]

I mentioned to you the extra sensory knowledge surounding pauls experience and you said this

"You do realize that you are relying on Paul's account for the Ananias claimclaim, don't you? You are using circular logic. To claim that Paul had such knowledge You would need an outside source."

Yes, im relying on his account because hes not lying to me, which means his claim about ananias is true.

You even said hes not lying, RIGHT?

What is it with you and lying?

 

[Riders]

For example, the appearance to Peter is attested by Luke and Paul

How do you explain it

1 Was Peter a like Paul (a crazy lunatic that hallucinates)

2 Was peter a lier ?

3 Paul and luke where lying (or quoting from a legend)


What happened?

Thats from the bible. Odd how you assume we all believe the bible.

 

[Subduction Zone]

For example, the appearance to Peter is attested by Luke and Paul

How do you explain it

1 Was Peter a like Paul (a crazy lunatic that hallucinates)

2 Was peter a lier ?

3 Paul and luke where lying (or quoting from a legend)


What happened?

Please quote the appropriate passages.

Again why do the Christians think that people are lying?

 

[jacqueline behrndt]

If anybody thinks for a minute that a true resurrection of a completely deceased person (not mostly "deceased" like in the case of NDAs) has occurred, or can occur has a bit of a screw loose on the intellectual and pragmatic side of the argument.

Let's not even look at that comment in a religious aspect but scientifically we can clone a person or bring them back to life so I guess If i found I believe God is possible what do you think he is capable of just saying

 

[sealchan]

For centuries it has been assumed and assumed to be important that we believe in the literality of the Ressurection of Jesus. Personally, I dont think it must be necessary to have the Christian faith and I also think that as time goes by that insistence will erode credibility and diminish the numbers of the faithful.

 

[leroy]

Please quote the appropriate passages.

Again why do the Christians think that people are lying?

Luke 34

and saying, "It is true! The Lord has risen and has appeared to Simon (ie peter)."

Corinthians 15:5

He was seen by Peter and then by the Twelve.

 

[Jollybear]

Its changed drastically. They are not dated early the video I saw says they are dated way after Jesus death.

Whats "way after"?

 

[Jollybear]

What is it with you and lying?

Well what do you mean by pauls claim about ananias is unreliable then?

 

[Riders]

Whats "way after"?

too long at leaste 30 to 50 years some say the new testament wasn't written until 100 years later.

 

[Jollybear]

For centuries it has been assumed and assumed to be important that we believe in the literality of the Ressurection of Jesus. Personally, I dont think it must be necessary to have the Christian faith and I also think that as time goes by that insistence will erode credibility and diminish the numbers of the faithful.

Reality dont need our belief in it. Reality is true without our beliefs.

 

[Jollybear]

too long at leaste 30 to 50 years some say the new testament wasn't written until 100 years later.

And thats better then all other historical writings. Again, remember the chart? If the New Testament is unreliable in regards to its message changing, then all historical documents are too.

You know, i could tell you pieces of my life from 30 years ago and do so accurately.

 

[Riders]

And thats better then all other historical writings. Again, remember the chart? If the New Testament is unreliable in regards to its message changing, then all historical documents are too.

You know, i could tell you pieces of my life from 30 years ago and do so accurately.

This video says most of Paul's writings are not authentic only seven letters and the most earliest was written in 50 AD 20 years or more after Christianity started. That's too long. He also says Christians do not know the history of their own religion.

 

[Jollybear]

This video says most of Paul's writings are not authentic only seven letters and the most earliest was written in 50 AD 20 years or more after Christianity started. That's too long. He also says Christians do not know the history of their own religion.

Ill watch it tomorow and respond back to you. Gotta go bed now.

 

[Riders]

Reality dont need our belief in it. Reality is true without our beliefs.

Thats not reality.

 

[Subduction Zone]

According to Richard Career (the jesus myth theorist scholar that you quoted) Paul is the author of those letters.

Is seems to me that you are jumping from one theory to an other

Yes most, but not all, of the epistles of Paul were written by Paul.