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[Subduction Zone]

And need to point out again that we have no idea what the apostles believed. The Christian side has not produced any evidence for that yet.

 

[Subduction Zone]

So, you never implied paul did not know he was wrong?

Ok, so paul knew he was wrong then?

Have you quit beating your wife yet?

Try to ask proper questions.

 

[Jollybear]

And need to point out again that we have no idea what the apostles believed. The Christian side has not produced any evidence for that yet.

Thats outright false. We know exactly what paul believed.

We know what peter believed, james.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Thats outright false. We know exactly what paul believed.

Paul was not an apostle.

 

[Jollybear]

Have you quit beating your wife yet?

Try to ask proper questions.

Did paul know he was wrong?

 

[Jollybear]

Paul was not an apostle.

Thats not true. He claimed to be. Peter accepted him as such.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Did paul know he was wrong?

Hard to say. And I have explained this to you as well multiple times. As you know, he appeared to be more than a few fries short of a Happy Meal so we cannot reasonably come to any conclusions on what he actually believed.

 

[lukethethird]

So, you never implied paul did not know he was wrong?

Ok, so paul knew he was wrong then?

By the time Paul realized he was wrong it was too late, it can happen to the best of us.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Thats not true. He claimed to be. Peter accepted him as such.

And I could claim to be the President of Panama, I still won't get any of those hats for free. And yes, I know they are not made in Panama.

And Peter accepted Paul. Where did he wrote that?

 

[Jollybear]

Hard to say. And I have explained this to you as well multiple times. As you know, he appeared to be more than a few fries short of a Happy Meal so we cannot reasonably come to any conclusions on what he actually believed.

Paul wrote enough for us to know what he believed. And to say he was a few fries short of a happy meal is adhering to insanity again, which you defined as not knowing your wrong.

So, again, how did paul not know he was wrong about his claims and peters claims and james?

 

[lukethethird]

Thats not true. He claimed to be. Peter accepted him as such.

True, Paul is the only apostle from the first century that we have any writings of, if indeed they are of the first century.

 

[Jollybear]

And I could claim to be the President of Panama, I still won't get any of those hats for free. And yes, I know they are not made in Panama.

And Peter accepted Paul. Where did he wrote that?

Your not being flogged, stoned, beat, jailed and myrtered for your claim though, are you? Or your dog with wings claim either.

Go through all that, and ill believe you

 

[Subduction Zone]

Paul wrote enough for us to know what he believed. And to say he was a few fries short of a happy meal is adhering to insanity again, which you defined as not knowing your wrong.

So, again, how did paul not know he was wrong about his claims and peters claims and james?

No, I did not define insanity as not knowing that you are wrong. That was your strawman.

Try again.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Your not being flogged, stoned, beat, jailed and myrtered for your claim though, are you? Or your dog with wings claim either.

Go through all that, and ill believe you

And yet I gave you people that went through such pains. David Koresh was gut shot and did not die but continued to resist to the end. You are not thinking rationally. I used examples of people that would have gone through the pains that Paul supposedly went through on purpose. nn

 

[Jollybear]

And I could claim to be the President of Panama, I still won't get any of those hats for free. And yes, I know they are not made in Panama.

And Peter accepted Paul. Where did he wrote that?

2nd peter 3:15

"15Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him.16He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

 

[Subduction Zone]

2nd peter 3:15

"15Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him.16He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

And 2 Peter was probably not written by Peter. It appears to have been written after he died:

Second Epistle of Peter - Wikipedia

Forgive me for not copying and pasting the appropriate quotes. I am using a tablet right now and doing a copy and paste is a pain in the rear.

 

[Jollybear]

No, I did not define insanity as not knowing that you are wrong. That was your strawman.

Try again.

You did not say this then?

"if Jim Jones was sane he would have to know that he was wrong. If David Koresh was sane he would have to know that he was wrong."

 

[Jollybear]

And 2 Peter was probably not written by Peter. It appears to have been written after he died:

Second Epistle of Peter - Wikipedia

Forgive me for not copying and pasting the appropriate quotes. I am using a tablet right now and doing a copy and paste is a pain in the rear.

Plus paul spent 15 days with peter and james. Looks like they accepted eachother.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Plus paul spent 15 days with peter and james. Looks like they accepted eachother.

Not necessarily. Again, you failed to support your claim. When I get home I can quote from the article that I linked for you.

 

[Jollybear]

And yet I gave you people that went through such pains. David Koresh was gut shot and did not die but continued to resist to the end. You are not thinking rationally. I used examples of people that would have gone through the pains that Paul supposedly went through on purpose. nn

Again, you flat out refuse to account for my pending points and yet repeat this.

 

[Jollybear]

Not necessarily. Again, you failed to support your claim. When I get home I can quote from the article that I linked for you.

Peter got a secretary to dictate because he wasnt a writer.