Jesus Resurrection

[Riders]

If a grave was found for Jesus or Mary or Joseph I was still choose not to believe even with proof but there is no proof Why would I base my faith in God and my spiritual life on physical proof from the past? I don't believe in living for the past not purring my faith and trust on the physical world. Its just flesh like trying to put your faith in the world in the flesh.

 

[David T]

You dont care about the text but then say the text is about nature?

You lost me.

Im not here trying to make the text say whatever i want it too. Lets let the text speak for ITSELF. Isnt that a good idea?

I dont care about the text. Listen you are in the bible and you personally are written as thomas the doubter at the ressurection. So yes your doubt is totally valid and affirmed by thomas himself.

If i say that what am i looking at? How am i looking?

In the bible thomas says "i do not trust any of these witnesses.. I have to have proof." He then says he did see jesus, stuck his finger in his wounds even, and then he says" therefore i am a trust worthy eyewitness."

Do you say yes he is, or no he is not? If you say yes he is reliable, that runs counter to thomas because he denies such testimony is not valid. . If you say no he is not reliable he already said that at the beginning. Which is it? Most folks automatically read it as affirming what they fanasize what the text is withoit examination thomas. Like the paradox does not even exist.

This is a Very very very famous paradox. If you cant tell me exactly what that is well we really dont have a conversation at all. in that case the text is way way past your reading comprehension Level because its deeply esoteric. Phd theologians dont get that because they are fan boys and girls and very Biased, they read it as reliable testimony when infact if thomas were alive and read it today he would call BS exactly as you have.

Its Not a literal news account and the authors know it as they write it.

So depending on a whole slew of sub conscious aspects that section will read out in a number of ways.

Since it is dealing directly with the sub conscious that places it below and out of sight for most people and the text knows that as it was written. Its not written by believers. Its more LSD than we realize interestingly enough.

 

[Riders]

I dont care about the text. Listen you are in the bible and you personally are written as thomas the doubter at the ressurection. So yes your doubt is totally valid and affirmed by thomas himself.

If i say that what am i looking at? How am i looking?

In the bible thomas says "i do not trust any of these witnesses.. I have to have proof." He then says he did see jesus, stuck his finger in his wounds even, and then he says" therefore i am a trust worthy eyewitness."

Do you say yes he is, or no he is not? If you say yes he is reliable, that runs counter to thomas because he denies such testimony is not valid. . If you say no he is not reliable he already said that at the beginning. Which is it? Most folks automatically read it as affirming what they fanasize what the text is withoit examination thomas. Like the paradox does not even exist.

This is a Very very very famous paradox. If you cant tell me exactly what that is well we really dont have a conversation at all. in that case the text is way way past your reading comprehension Level because its deeply esoteric. Phd theologians dont get that because they are fan boys and girls and very Biased, they read it as reliable testimony when infact if thomas were alive and read it today he would call BS exactly as you have.

Its Not a literal news account and the authors know it as they write it.

So depending on a whole slew of sub conscious aspects that section will read out in a number of ways.

Since it is dealing directly with the sub conscious that places it below and out of sight for most people and the text knows that as it was written. Its not written by believers. Its more LSD than we realize interestingly enough.

Your point?

 

[David T]

Well personally no I do not believe there is any historic evdence for Jesus or the savior who risen from the dead although I do think a guy named Jesus lived.

But why does there have to be absolute physical proof for Christians to feel the need to be physically literally true historically? To me faith is enough. I've seen good things done at AA, folks who got sober fro alcoholism and drug addiction through Christian oriented AA programs through help with the church to me it should be proof enough.

Historical proof has nothing to with the here and now, I am focused on being here now living in the moment I don't really care about history as far as religion goes.

They are deeply influenced by and have deeply influenced emperical reductionism. I treat that as a thpe of functional mental disorder which we call "normal" ...

eyeballs are not the only sensory organ and the intellect is not an apex although many of them would strongly disagree with me inside and outside religion!!!

 

[David T]

Your point?

Easy nature is objective not religion or science or our ideas about it. Its the text. This text is easy Not difficult at all. do i need to speak slower? This is like explaining to literat tribesman laws of physics doesnt exist that a fantasy a myth. Physics exists physical exists and its never ever determined by the pre frontal cortex abstraction of a primate brain. How exactly hard is this? So what we believe or dont believe is irrelevant really at the end if the day in regards to nature. Thats the text.

 

[The Anointed]

From “JESUS THE EVIDENCE” by Ian Wilson; “And of James the son of Alpheaus, who was the first to sit on the Episcopal throne of the church of the circumcision in Jerusalem, we learn from Josephus, Eusebius, and Hegesippus, that he was murdered in 62 AD, at the instigation of one of the same Sadducee sect that had his brother Jesus murdered, and that James the righteous was succeeded by Simeon --- of Cleophas/Alpheaus.

Simeon a half-brother to Jesus, was succeeded by 13 other Bishops of the circumcision, among who, several others, like Simeon and James, appear to have been blood relatives of Jesus. In 132 AD, with the second Jewish revolt, the line was extinguished. Epiphanius of Salamis, in his Panarion, mentions Judah Kyriakos, the great grandson of Jude, as the last Jewish Bishop of Jerusalem that lived beyond Bar Kokhba’s revolt.

It was not uncommon for men of Galilee in those days to carry three names, one in Hebrew, one in Greek, and one in Aramaic. The son of Mark Anthony, ‘Alexander Helios,’ who sired Joseph the biological father of Jesus, would have been seen as a father of renowned. Alpheaus and Cleophas, in Young’ s Analytical Concordance Subject Guide, are said to be one and the same person: From the Subject Guide; “Cleophas, husband of Mary, also called Alpheaus.”

Joseph, the biological father of Jesus, was the son of Alexander Helios/Heli a father of renowned who was murdered by Herod the Great in 13 BC. Cleophas, the Masculine form of Cleopatra, is the Greek, meaning: “Of a renowned father,” and Alpheaus, is the Aramaic of the same meaning: “Of a renowned father.”

Thomas=Tau’ma, the Aramiac for twin, is also called Didymus, which is the Greek for twin, he is Thomas/twin, Didymus/twin, Jude, the half-brother of Jesus and the son of the carpenter. A local tradition of eastern Syria identifies the Apostle Jude with Jude Thomas who was called ‘The Twin’ also known as Thomas (Aramaic), Didymus (Greek), and Jude (Hebrew.)

Knowing that in ART, Thomas Didymus Jude, the son of Alpheaus/Cleophas, is depicted with a, carpenters rule and square. In "The Acts of Thomas, sometimes called by its full name, "The Acts of Judas Thomas," 2nd-3rd century CE, "The Apostles cast lots as to where they should go, and to Thomas, brother to Jesus fell India. Thomas was taken to King Goddophares the ruler of Indo-Pathian Kingdom as an architect and carpenter by Habban.”

We must now ask the question, "Who is the Carpenter to whom Mary was married at that time, when her family consisted of Jesus, Joseph, James, Simon and Judas? Was it Joseph the son of Jacob from the tribe of Judah, who was her first legitimate husband, or was it Alpheaus/Cleophas the second husband of Mary and the Father of James the younger, the biological son of Mary and the youngest boy in the family, plus Simon and Judas, who is also called Thomas Didymus Jude, meaning twin, appear to have been born to Cleopas by another woman before Mary married the father of James, the younger of Mary's three biological sons.

Hegesippus, mentions descendant of Jude living in the reign of Domitian, 81-96 AD.

In his book, “Historia Ecclesiae” Eusebius wrote; “But when the same Domitian had commanded the descendants of David should be slain, an ancient tradition says that some of the heretics brought accusations against the descendants of Jude (Said to have been a brother of the saviour according to the flesh) on the grounds that they were of the lineage of David and were related to Christ himself.

Hegesippus relates these facts in the following words; “Of the family of the Lord there were still living the grandchildren of Jude (The Twin) who is said to have been the Lord’s brother according to the flesh.

Although the bible calls Thomas Jude, ‘The twin,” it is not known if he was an actual twin, or if he simply held a striking resemblance to one of the sons sired by his father Joseph/Alpheaus/Cleophas.

 

[Riders]

Easy nature is objective not religion or science or our ideas about it. Its the text. This text is easy Not difficult at all. do i need to speak slower? This is like explaining to literat tribesman laws of physics doesnt exist that a fantasy a myth. Physics exists physical exists and its never ever determined by the pre frontal cortex abstraction of a primate brain. How exactly hard is this? So what we believe or dont believe is irrelevant really at the end if the day in regards to nature. Thats the text.

Our belief is relevant to us.My belief is me. I have no idea what you said your speaking over my head. What text are you talking about the bible? What does that prove either way?

 

[Riders]

From “JESUS THE EVIDENCE” by Ian Wilson; “And of James the son of Alpheaus, who was the first to sit on the Episcopal throne of the church of the circumcision in Jerusalem, we learn from Josephus, Eusebius, and Hegesippus, that he was murdered in 62 AD, at the instigation of one of the same Sadducee sect that had his brother Jesus murdered, and that James the righteous was succeeded by Simeon --- of Cleophas/Alpheaus.

Simeon a half-brother to Jesus, was succeeded by 13 other Bishops of the circumcision, among who, several others, like Simeon and James, appear to have been blood relatives of Jesus. In 132 AD, with the second Jewish revolt, the line was extinguished. Epiphanius of Salamis, in his Panarion, mentions Judah Kyriakos, the great grandson of Jude, as the last Jewish Bishop of Jerusalem that lived beyond Bar Kokhba’s revolt.

It was not uncommon for men of Galilee in those days to carry three names, one in Hebrew, one in Greek, and one in Aramaic. The son of Mark Anthony, ‘Alexander Helios,’ who sired Joseph the biological father of Jesus, would have been seen as a father of renowned. Alpheaus and Cleophas, in Young’ s Analytical Concordance Subject Guide, are said to be one and the same person: From the Subject Guide; “Cleophas, husband of Mary, also called Alpheaus.”

Joseph, the biological father of Jesus, was the son of Alexander Helios/Heli a father of renowned who was murdered by Herod the Great in 13 BC. Cleophas, the Masculine form of Cleopatra, is the Greek, meaning: “Of a renowned father,” and Alpheaus, is the Aramaic of the same meaning: “Of a renowned father.”

Thomas=Tau’ma, the Aramiac for twin, is also called Didymus, which is the Greek for twin, he is Thomas/twin, Didymus/twin, Jude, the half-brother of Jesus and the son of the carpenter. A local tradition of eastern Syria identifies the Apostle Jude with Jude Thomas who was called ‘The Twin’ also known as Thomas (Aramaic), Didymus (Greek), and Jude (Hebrew.)

Knowing that in ART, Thomas Didymus Jude, the son of Alpheaus/Cleophas, is depicted with a, carpenters rule and square. In "The Acts of Thomas, sometimes called by its full name, "The Acts of Judas Thomas," 2nd-3rd century CE, "The Apostles cast lots as to where they should go, and to Thomas, brother to Jesus fell India. Thomas was taken to King Goddophares the ruler of Indo-Pathian Kingdom as an architect and carpenter by Habban.”

We must now ask the question, "Who is the Carpenter to whom Mary was married at that time, when her family consisted of Jesus, Joseph, James, Simon and Judas? Was it Joseph the son of Jacob from the tribe of Judah, who was her first legitimate husband, or was it Alpheaus/Cleophas the second husband of Mary and the Father of James the younger, the biological son of Mary and the youngest boy in the family, plus Simon and Judas, who is also called Thomas Didymus Jude, meaning twin, appear to have been born to Cleopas by another woman before Mary married the father of James, the younger of Mary's three biological sons.

Hegesippus, mentions descendant of Jude living in the reign of Domitian, 81-96 AD.

In his book, “Historia Ecclesiae” Eusebius wrote; “But when the same Domitian had commanded the descendants of David should be slain, an ancient tradition says that some of the heretics brought accusations against the descendants of Jude (Said to have been a brother of the saviour according to the flesh) on the grounds that they were of the lineage of David and were related to Christ himself.

Hegesippus relates these facts in the following words; “Of the family of the Lord there were still living the grandchildren of Jude (The Twin) who is said to have been the Lord’s brother according to the flesh.

Although the bible calls Thomas Jude, ‘The twin,” it is not known if he was an actual twin, or if he simply held a striking resemblance to one of the sons sired by his father Joseph/Alpheaus/Cleophas.

Here is the actual saying written in wiki and sense this was written in the second century long after Christ lived and about a legend about his supposed grand nieces and nephews its not evidence.Wiki says it was a legend that these were grandchildren of the brother Jesus.

Of the family of the Lord there were still living the grandchildren of Jude, who is said to have been the Lord's brother according to the flesh.
"Information was given that they belonged to the family of David, and they were brought to the Emperor Domitian by the Evocatus. For Domitian feared the coming of Christ as Herod also had feared it. And he asked them if they were descendants of David, and they confessed that they were. Then he asked them how much property they had, or how much money they owned. And both of them answered that they had only nine thousand denarii, half of which belonged to each of them;
and this property did not consist of silver, but of a piece of land which contained only thirty-nine acres, and from which they raised their taxes and supported themselves by their own labor."

 

[Jollybear]

Yep, turtles all the way down.

I was thinking more on this. That would mean also adam, eve, noah, abraham, his sons, moses, all the kings, and prophets and jesus, apostles, church fathers, and romes persecution of the christians, and the disciples of the church fathers and the disciples disciples, ALL would have to be fiction.

Is that feasable? Why stop there, why not say all ancient history figures and places and events are fiction too, despite archeology?

Hey, mayby i am fiction and all this im writing is fiction?

 

[Jollybear]

Well, at least we can say that if we are ready to sacrifice our lives for X, that does not entail that X cannot be a delusion.

True, but, MANY witnesses seeing the same so called delusion?

And your apostles also witnessed incredible things at the cruciction of their Master. Earthquakes, moon eclipses, a multitute of dead people getting out of their tombs and wondering round town, etc.

Yet, they were quite diffident after the first reports of the master being back. Which is odd.

Im sorry, they wer quite what?

So, the most plausible theory is that whoever wrote those stories (yes, even your witnesses are just nice stories written in a book) did not pay so much attention to logical consistency. They might be appealing to smeone with a romantic nature, but they do not pass the first logical tests.

Whats the first logical tests?

Probably it was fiction intended to entertain the Romans, who can say. You know, something like “adventures from the colonies”. And someone took it too seriously, like jediism today.

Ciao

- viole

It dont read like fiction. And the apostles dont write about there own deaths either, that would be a tell tale sign something is amis.

Theres independent sources, when put together like puzzle pieces, show a picture of historicity.

 

[Riders]

Well, at least we can say that if we are ready to sacrifice our lives for X, that does not entail that X cannot be a delusion.
True, but, MANY witnesses seeing the same so called delusion?

Just as many gave up their lives for Buddha and Hare Krishna and they all witnessed miracles too.

The only report you have of the many witnessing the miracle of the resurrection actually are in the bible just as Hare Krishna died for the dins of his people there were many witnesses and many Hindus who have up their lives too. Anything you can say as literal proof is proof for every other religion too.

I'm sure Horace's believers witnessed him being sacrificed too.

 

[The Anointed]

Here is the actual saying written in wiki and sense this was written in the second century long after Christ lived and about a legend about his supposed grand nieces and nephews its not evidence.Wiki says it was a legend that these were grandchildren of the brother Jesus.

Of the family of the Lord there were still living the grandchildren of Jude, who is said to have been the Lord's brother according to the flesh.
"Information was given that they belonged to the family of David, and they were brought to the Emperor Domitian by the Evocatus. For Domitian feared the coming of Christ as Herod also had feared it. And he asked them if they were descendants of David, and they confessed that they were. Then he asked them how much property they had, or how much money they owned. And both of them answered that they had only nine thousand denarii, half of which belonged to each of them;
and this property did not consist of silver, but of a piece of land which contained only thirty-nine acres, and from which they raised their taxes and supported themselves by their own labor."

And they were of the family of David as was Jesus the brother of Thomas Didymus Jude, and Like Jesus they were historical figures, or do you believe everything that is written in Wiki, because if you do, we can visit there and receive all the information to prove, [According to the words in Wiki] that Jesus was an historical figure.

 

[lukethethird]

I was thinking more on this. That would mean also adam, eve, noah, abraham, his sons, moses, all the kings, and prophets and jesus, apostles, church fathers, and romes persecution of the christians, and the disciples of the church fathers and the disciples disciples, ALL would have to be fiction.

Is that feasable? Why stop there, why not say all ancient history figures and places and events are fiction too, despite archeology?

Hey, mayby i am fiction and all this im writing is fiction?

That is feasible, all is fiction with the exception of kings, real kings are commonly named within fiction. As far as all ancient history goes, no, just because The Bible stories are fiction does not mean that all ancient history is necessarily fiction.

 

[The Anointed]

That is feasible, all is fiction with the exception of kings, real kings are commonly named within fiction. As far as all ancient history goes, no, just because The Bible stories are fiction does not mean that all ancient history is necessarily fiction.

Just because the bible stories are fact and not fiction, that does not mean that all ancient history is factual and not fiction.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

If a grave was found for Jesus or Mary or Joseph I was still choose not to believe even with proof but there is no proof Why would I base my faith in God and my spiritual life on physical proof from the past?

Well, the thing is, even if you found a grave of Jesus, and it even went to the trouble of spelling out he was considered the Messiah, you STILL don't have evidence that he walked on water, had copy/paste food magic, etc. It's like how finding reference to King David doesn't mean he facepalmed Goliath with a rock.

Thomas=Tau’ma, the Aramiac for twin, is also called Didymus, which is the Greek for twin, he is Thomas/twin, Didymus/twin, Jude, the half-brother of Jesus and the son of the carpenter. A local tradition of eastern Syria identifies the Apostle Jude with Jude Thomas who was called ‘The Twin’ also known as Thomas (Aramaic), Didymus (Greek), and Jude (Hebrew.)

It really gets worse for the resurrection if Jesus has a convenient twin brother who can simply poke some holes in his hands and feet and go around playing Jesus all day long. I mean, the apostles didn't recognize their own master.

Thomas: Hey, guys! I'm back.
Apostles: ???
Thomas: Uh, you know *winks* I'm Jesus, and I'm back!
Apostles: This is dumb.
Thomas: I AM FRICKIN' JESUS!
Apostles: Oooooohhhhh, welcome back, Jesus!

I was thinking more on this. That would mean also adam, eve, noah, abraham, his sons, moses, all the kings, and prophets and jesus, apostles, church fathers, and romes persecution of the christians, and the disciples of the church fathers and the disciples disciples, ALL would have to be fiction.

Even if the people were real, stories about them can be fiction, like Washington and the cherry tree or Lincoln and vampires.

 

[The Anointed]

Well, the thing is, even if you found a grave of Jesus, and it even went to the trouble of spelling out he was considered the Messiah, you STILL don't have evidence that he walked on water, had copy/paste food magic, etc. It's like how finding reference to King David doesn't mean he facepalmed Goliath with a rock.


It really gets worse for the resurrection if Jesus has a convenient twin brother who can simply poke some holes in his hands and feet and go around playing Jesus all day long. I mean, the apostles didn't recognize their own master.

Thomas: Hey, guys! I'm back.
Apostles: ???
Thomas: Uh, you know *winks* I'm Jesus, and I'm back!
Apostles: This is dumb.
Thomas: I AM FRICKIN' JESUS!
Apostles: Oooooohhhhh, welcome back, Jesus!


Even if the people were real, stories about them can be fiction, like Washington and the cherry tree or Lincoln and vampires.

Jesus, whose righteous ancestors had paid the blood price for sin and had been judged and separated from the unrighteous dead and gathered to the evolving and ascending spirit of Enoch, within the bosom of Abraham over whom death no longer had any power, and Jesus was the duplication of Enoch our indwelling evolving righteous ancestral spirit, as he had evolved to some 2,000 years ago, and he was offered up as a sacrifice by our spiritual father. And in the same manner as God had prepared a substitute sacrifice for Isaac the son of God’s promise who, like Jesus, was born according to the workings of the Holy Spirit, so too had he prepared a substitute offering for Jesus, who Enoch had become at that particular point in time, in his evolution as the sin offering “The brilliant Simulacrum,” of which Enoch was the chosen corner-stone, and the head.

On the cross, Jesus cried out, “My God, my God, why have you abandoned me," as he gave up his spirit and the evolving indwelling spiritual Enoch, the first to be released from the brilliant Simulacrum at the ends of time, ceased to be an individual entity, as the graves of the spirits, of who he was their compilation, and by who he had evolved, up until that point in time, were opened, and three days later, they [The body of Christ the anointed one] entered the city of Jerusalem, where they showed themselves as the risen Christ.

Matthew 27: 52, And the graves were opened: and many bodies of the saints that slept arose. Verse 53, And came out of the graves and three days later [On the day of the resurrection,] they went into the Holy city and appeared to many.

One would expect the risen body of the anointed one to appear to the family of Jesus first, and this is exactly what we see.

The first to see one of they, who were of the body of the risen Christ, the 365 day old unblemished Lamb, the sacrificial offering prepared for us by God, were his Mother, Mary the wife of Cleophas and her [Sister/daughter-in-law] Mary Magdalene, who, although looking straight at him, thought that he was the gardener, until he spoke her name.

The next to who one of the risen body of Christ appeared, were the carpenter ‘Cleophas’ who is also called Alpheas, and Simon/Simeon the half-brother of Jesus, who was to inherit the Episcopal throne of the church of the circumcision after his half-brother, 'James the righteous,' was killed at the instigation of the same Sadducee sect that had James the full brother of Jesus killed.

Although Cleophas and Simon walked and talked with one of the risen body of Christ for some 11 kilometres to the small town of Emmaus, they did not recognise him for who he was, until Simon saw the manner in which he broke the bread.

See John 20: 19 to 24; Cleophas then returned to Jerusalem, where the disciples, which included Simon Peter and Simon the Patriot, the only two of the twelve disciples by the name Simon, were cowering in a darkened room. The only one of the twelve who was absent that evening when Jesus appeared in that dimly lit room in the form that they recognised as Jesus, was Thomas Jude another half-brother of Jesus, the one who was called the Twin, although nowhere does the bible say that he was an actual twin or whether he just held a striking resemblance to someone else, perhaps one with who he shared a common father.

But back to Cleophas, who said to the disciples, who would have opened the door for him, "He has risen, he appeared to Simon," who was of course Simon the son of Cleophas and half-brother to Jesus and the one who succeeded ‘James the younger’ as the head of the church founded by their brother Jesus.

It was then that a figure appeared in that dimly lit room in the form that they recognised as Jesus, the following week, Jesus appeared in the locked room, where this time, Thomas who was called the ‘TWIN’ was with the other disciples.

See John 21: 1 to 12; Then there were the seven disciples who were fishing on Lake Galilee having no success at all, when someone on the bank told them to throw their net on the right side of the boat in which they caught 153 fishes, later on while sitting down to eat with the person who had a fire prepared with fish on it and some bread, not one of the seven disciples of Jesus who had walked and talked with him, dared to ask who he was, but they understood that he was of the risen body of Christ. Even when he ascended up into heaven as a cloud, some of the 11 disciples doubted that it was he.

 

[lukethethird]

Just because the bible stories are fact and not fiction, that does not mean that all ancient history is factual and not fiction.

Is it feasible that the bible stories are fact and not fiction? Hint; snakes don't really talk, itinerant preaches can't rise from the dead.

 

[Riders]

Jesus, whose righteous ancestors had paid the blood price for sin and had been judged and separated from the unrighteous dead and gathered to the evolving and ascending spirit of Enoch, within the bosom of Abraham over whom death no longer had any power, and Jesus was the duplication of Enoch our indwelling evolving righteous ancestral spirit, as he had evolved to some 2,000 years ago, and he was offered up as a sacrifice by our spiritual father. And in the same manner as God had prepared a substitute sacrifice for Isaac the son of God’s promise who, like Jesus, was born according to the workings of the Holy Spirit, so too had he prepared a substitute offering for Jesus, who Enoch had become at that particular point in time, in his evolution as the sin offering “The brilliant Simulacrum,” of which Enoch was the chosen corner-stone, and the head.

On the cross, Jesus cried out, “My God, my God, why have you abandoned me," as he gave up his spirit and the evolving indwelling spiritual Enoch, the first to be released from the brilliant Simulacrum at the ends of time, ceased to be an individual entity, as the graves of the spirits, of who he was their compilation, and by who he had evolved, up until that point in time, were opened, and three days later, they [The body of Christ the anointed one] entered the city of Jerusalem, where they showed themselves as the risen Christ.

Matthew 27: 52, And the graves were opened: and many bodies of the saints that slept arose. Verse 53, And came out of the graves and three days later [On the day of the resurrection,] they went into the Holy city and appeared to many.

One would expect the risen body of the anointed one to appear to the family of Jesus first, and this is exactly what we see.

The first to see one of they, who were of the body of the risen Christ, the 365 day old unblemished Lamb, the sacrificial offering prepared for us by God, were his Mother, Mary the wife of Cleophas and her [Sister/daughter-in-law] Mary Magdalene, who, although looking straight at him, thought that he was the gardener, until he spoke her name.

The next to who one of the risen body of Christ appeared, were the carpenter ‘Cleophas’ who is also called Alpheas, and Simon/Simeon the half-brother of Jesus, who was to inherit the Episcopal throne of the church of the circumcision after his half-brother, 'James the righteous,' was killed at the instigation of the same Sadducee sect that had James the full brother of Jesus killed.

Although Cleophas and Simon walked and talked with one of the risen body of Christ for some 11 kilometres to the small town of Emmaus, they did not recognise him for who he was, until Simon saw the manner in which he broke the bread.

See John 20: 19 to 24; Cleophas then returned to Jerusalem, where the disciples, which included Simon Peter and Simon the Patriot, the only two of the twelve disciples by the name Simon, were cowering in a darkened room. The only one of the twelve who was absent that evening when Jesus appeared in that dimly lit room in the form that they recognised as Jesus, was Thomas Jude another half-brother of Jesus, the one who was called the Twin, although nowhere does the bible say that he was an actual twin or whether he just held a striking resemblance to someone else, perhaps one with who he shared a common father.

But back to Cleophas, who said to the disciples, who would have opened the door for him, "He has risen, he appeared to Simon," who was of course Simon the son of Cleophas and half-brother to Jesus and the one who succeeded ‘James the younger’ as the head of the church founded by their brother Jesus.

It was then that a figure appeared in that dimly lit room in the form that they recognised as Jesus, the following week, Jesus appeared in the locked room, where this time, Thomas who was called the ‘TWIN’ was with the other disciples.

See John 21: 1 to 12; Then there were the seven disciples who were fishing on Lake Galilee having no success at all, when someone on the bank told them to throw their net on the right side of the boat in which they caught 153 fishes, later on while sitting down to eat with the person who had a fire prepared with fish on it and some bread, not one of the seven disciples of Jesus who had walked and talked with him, dared to ask who he was, but they understood that he was of the risen body of Christ. Even when he ascended up into heaven as a cloud, some of the 11 disciples doubted that it was he.

And it all comes from the bible . WHat about Mohammad?The Quran?

 

[The Anointed]

Enoch was escorted to the very ends of time, and chosen as the successor to the Most-High, where he was translated, from a physical body to a body of brilliant and blinding light. The word “CHRIST” means “The Anointed One.” Enoch was the one anointed by the Most High as his successor.

Christ is the English term for the Greek (Khristós) meaning "the anointed one" It is a translation of the Hebrew (Māšîaḥ), usually transliterated into English as Messiah or Mashiach. The Hebrew word translated "anointed" is the verb form of the noun "Messiah."

Genesis 5: 23; Enoch was 365 (In days---A calendar year: the one year old sacrificial Lamb of God.) and had spent his life in fellowship with God when he disappeared because God had Taken him.

Hebrews 11: 5; “By faith Enoch was translated (To change from one form to another) so that he should not experience death; and he was not found, because God had Translated him.

The only man to have ascended to the ends of all time and was translated so as to never see death, and this man, plays absolutely no part in the belief of the universal/Catholic church of Constantine: “The Stone that the builder's rejected, has turned out to be the most important stone of all."

The great and glorious one who, clothed and girded in fire was anointed to serve God before the body of Adam=Mankind into all eternity, the heavenly Simulacrum of which Enoch was the chosen cornerstone, which simulacrum=blue-print, is the sin offering that God has prepared for us, the blueprint, of the new species of light beings that comes from mankind (THE SON OF MAN)

Enoch is the anointed successor to the throne of “THE MOST HIGH’ in the creation: Enoch is the CHRIST who stands, clothed and girded in fire, where he serves God before the body of Adam [Mankind] into all eternity.

The Lord then commanded Enoch to write down the names of every man [Male man and female man] who would ever live and the position for each soul into all eternity, for all souls are prepared to eternity. The soul, which is the animating principle that pervades the entire universal body cannot be destroyed, but the rejected spirits/minds that are imprinted onto the universal soul can be divided from the eternal soul.

From the book of “The Secrets of Enoch.” After telling the escorting angels to return Enoch to earth for thirty days, in order to reveal his writing to his sons, an ancient angel colder than ice was called forward to touch Enoch, and ‘The Most-High’ said to him, “Enoch, if thy face were not frozen here, no man on earth would be able to behold thee.”

After revealing all that he had seen to his children, which is contained in too many chapters to bother about here, in chapter 50, Enoch says to his children; “I have put every man’s work in writing and none born on earth can remain hidden nor his works remain concealed. I see all things.

Now therefore, my children, in patience and meekness spend the number of your days that you may inherit endless life, etc. In chapter 50: 2; Enoch says this to his pre-flood children, “You see how I wrote all the works of every man, before his creation etc.”

If you are willing to accept this, everything you have ever done or will ever do according to your own free will, has been recorded in the book of life by he who has ascended to the very ends of time; and nothing anyone born on earth has done, remains hidden from him, nor can the works of all who have been and will be born on earth, remains concealed. For he has seen all things.

Now, perhaps you may understand how Paul, the disciples, the prophets, and all, who like our brother Jesus are able to win the victory, were chosen before they were even born, to be among the elect and immortal fiery ones, who will dwell on earth among mankind.

From the Book of Enoch the prophet 108: 11-13; “And now I will summons the spirits of the good who belong to the generation of light, and I will transform those who were born in darkness, who, in the flesh were not recompensed with such honour as their faithfulness deserved. And I will bring forth in shining light those who have loved My holy name (I Am Who I Am/JHWH,) and I will seat each one on the throne of his honour. And they shall be resplendent for times without number.”

 

[The Anointed]

Is it feasible that the bible stories are fact and not fiction? Hint; snakes don't really talk, itinerant preaches can't rise from the dead.

Oh, you must be talking about the spiritual godhead to the upright walking reptiles who had ruled the earth for some three million years, before being destroyed, after which, on the barren earth, of the seventh day, which still had the seeds of the plants from a previous age, the Lord JAHEL, [Lord to the glory of EL the creator], planted a garden for the man that he formed, possibly from genetic material of the human beings which had been created on the sixth creative cycle.

After which the Old reptile was cursed and forced to crawl upon the dust of the earth; Am I correct?

I see that you have never read the scriptures that support everything that I have said.