Jesus Said "It Is Finished"

[actsfourthirty]

The it is Jesus' mission on this earth -- it was finished when Jesus died on the cross and gave up the ghost.

John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

Of course, that means that Jesus is not coming BACK to this world, as Jesus said in other verses:

John 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

John 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

So the hundred-dollar question is why Christians believe that Jesus is coming back to this world.

the it refers to the Passover sacrifice
Jesus is the lamb Jn1:29
The high priest says at the consummation of the Passover it is finished

and the church continues the work of redemption

2nd coming matt 24:27

 

[actsfourthirty]

John 19:28-30,

28 After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst.

29 Now there was set a vessel full of vinegar: and they filled a spunge with vinegar, and put [it] upon hyssop, and put [it] to his mouth.

30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.​

Context shows the "it" to be, "that the scripture might be fulfilled..." Jesus did everything his Father asked of Him, including Psalm 69.

PS 69:21,

They gave me also gall for my meat; and in my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink.
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Apparently that was the last thing Jesus needed to do to effect our salvation, so upon doing it he said, "It is finished."

I think the it refers to the Passover sacrifice
Jesus is the lamb Jn1:29
The high priest says at the consummation of the Passover it is finished

and the church continues the work of redemption

 

[actsfourthirty]

As you'll have noticed, Mark's Jesus (the first, really, since Paul's has an earthly bio of two lines or so) is a poor, defeated, abandoned figure at his crucifixion, crying out to know why his God has forsaken him. The next, Matthew's, is only a little better, and makes the same cry. Luke's is more self-possessed again, and does not complain that he's forsaken. John's, the last, the Mk IV as it were, is the MC of his crucifixion, cool, in charge.

And he's the only one who says "It is finished", like dusting your hands off and putting your power tools back in the truck.

So, whatever it was that the author of John thought his Jesus had finished, it wasn't present in the earlier accounts, Mark's, Matthew's or Luke's.

As you know, the Greek writer Plato was a playwright as well as a philosopher; so when he reports the dialogues of Socrates, they have that artistic snap to them, nothing like, for example, a courtroom transcript. And if you've read his account of the death of Socrates, it's a fine piece of dramatic writing, with the hero accepting his own death as a matter of high principle, and never flustered, always cool.

I suggest that the Greek-speaking author of John was taking a leaf out of the same book, making sure you were impressed with his story and his hero.

3 The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.

4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.

5 And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.

6 And John was clothed with camel's hair, and with a girdle of a skin about his loins; and he did eat locusts and wild honey;

7 And preached, saying, There cometh one mightier than I after me, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to stoop down and unloose.

8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.

9 And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan.

10 And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him:

11 And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

As you'll have noticed, Mark's Jesus (the first, really, since Paul's has an earthly bio of two lines or so) is a poor, defeated, abandoned figure at his crucifixion, crying out to know why his God has forsaken him. The next, Matthew's, is only a little better, and makes the same cry. Luke's is more self-possessed again, and does not complain that he's forsaken. John's, the last, the Mk IV as it were, is the MC of his crucifixion, cool, in charge.

And he's the only one who says "It is finished", like dusting your hands off and putting your power tools back in the truck.

So, whatever it was that the author of John thought his Jesus had finished, it wasn't present in the earlier accounts, Mark's, Matthew's or Luke's.

As you know, the Greek writer Plato was a playwright as well as a philosopher; so when he reports the dialogues of Socrates, they have that artistic snap to them, nothing like, for example, a courtroom transcript. And if you've read his account of the death of Socrates, it's a fine piece of dramatic writing, with the hero accepting his own death as a matter of high principle, and never flustered, always cool.

I suggest that the Greek-speaking author of John was taking a leaf out of the same book, making sure you were impressed with his story and his hero.

I think the it refers to the Passover sacrifice
Jesus is the lamb Jn1:29
The high priest says at the consummation of the Passover it is finished

 

[Trailblazer]

So not finished when he said " its finished " So after Paul where does the bible say Jesus was not going to do anything after ?

So where does the Bible say Jesus is going to do anything after Paul?
Why assume Jesus is coming back to this world to do things when the Bible does not say that?

 

[Trailblazer]

2nd coming matt 24:27

Matthew 24:27 or as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

I believe that refers to the second coming of Christ but the second coming was never slated to be the same man Jesus.
That is why Jesus said:

John 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

no more

1. nothing further.
   "there was no more to be said about it"
2. no further.
   "you must have some soup, but no more wine"
3. exist no longer.
   "the patch of ground was overgrown and the hut was no more"
4. never again.
   "mention his name no more to me"
5. neither.
   "I had no complaints and no more did Tom"

Definitions from Oxford Languages

 

[actsfourthirty]

Matthew 24:27 or as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

I believe that refers to the second coming of Christ but the second coming was never slated to be the same man Jesus.
That is why Jesus said:

John 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

no more

1. nothing further.
   "there was no more to be said about it"
2. no further.
   "you must have some soup, but no more wine"
3. exist no longer.
   "the patch of ground was overgrown and the hut was no more"
4. never again.
   "mention his name no more to me"
5. neither.
   "I had no complaints and no more did Tom"

Definitions from Oxford Languages

matt 28:19-20 he also said to his apostles In always with you!

 

[actsfourthirty]

What about the Passover and it is finished
Jn 1:29 lamb of God

 

[Trailblazer]

matt 28:19-20 he also said to his apostles In always with you!

Matthew 28:19-20
New International Version

19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

I believe that Jesus will always be with you and the apostles in spirit.
What do you think Jesus meant by "to the very end of the age.”

 

[John1.12]

So where does the Bible say Jesus is going to do anything after Paul?
Why assume Jesus is coming back to this world to do things when the Bible does not say that?

The whole NT mentions the Lords return .
Hebrews 9:28 - So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

 

[Trailblazer]

The whole NT mentions the Lords return .
Hebrews 9:28 - So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

But that "Lord" won't be Jesus. #252 Trailblazer

 

[blü 2]

I think the it refers to the Passover sacrifice
Jesus is the lamb Jn1:29

But not for the Jesuses of Paul, Mark, Matthew or Luke.

And still no explanation why a sacrifice is necessary at all if God is benevolent and omnipotent,

 

[John1.12]

But that "Lord" won't be Jesus. #252 Trailblazer

That's not what the bible says .
Its not what that verse says .
Acts 1
11Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

 

[Trailblazer]

That's not what the bible says .
Its not what that verse says .
Acts 1
11Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

Acts 1:9-11 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

The disciples were staring up into the sky as the spirit of Jesus was taken up to heaven out of their sight. The two men dressed in white (angels) came along and asked why they were staring up into the sky because they wondered why the disciples were staring up into the sky. Then the angels told the disciples that the same spirit of Jesus that was taken up to heaven will return just as it went to heaven, in like manner.

The verse does not say that the disciples saw a body go up. It was the Christ Spirit that ascended, not a body, which is why the angels wondered why the disciples were staring into the sky, since there was nothing to look at. That makes perfect sense since angels can see spirits.

Descending from heaven upon the clouds means that the spirit of Jesus, the Christ Spirit, will be made manifest from the heaven of the will of God and will appear in the form of a human being. Though delivered from the womb of Mary, Jesus in reality descended from the heaven of the will of God. Baha’u’llah descended in like manner, from the heaven of the will of God.

 

[John1.12]

Acts 1:9-11 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

The disciples were staring up into the sky as the spirit of Jesus was taken up to heaven out of their sight. The two men dressed in white (angels) came along and asked why they were staring up into the sky because they wondered why the disciples were staring up into the sky. Then the angels told the disciples that the same spirit of Jesus that was taken up to heaven will return just as it went to heaven, in like manner.

The verse does not say that the disciples saw a body go up. It was the Christ Spirit that ascended, not a body, which is why the angels wondered why the disciples were staring into the sky, since there was nothing to look at. That makes perfect sense since angels can see spirits.

Descending from heaven upon the clouds means that the spirit of Jesus, the Christ Spirit, will be made manifest from the heaven of the will of God and will appear in the form of a human being. Though delivered from the womb of Mary, Jesus in reality descended from the heaven of the will of God. Baha’u’llah descended in like manner, from the heaven of the will of God.

If only you could see how desperate that sounds . I Will say this religion you believe has the worst attempts to try make it fit the biblical narrative ,I've ever come across lol .

 

[Trailblazer]

If only you could see how desperate that sounds . I Will say this religion you believe has the worst attempts to try make it fit the biblical narrative ,I've ever come across lol .

Christians are the ones who are desperate because they cannot find any verses where Jesus says he is coming back to this world so they have to resort to Acts, which does not say the men standing there saw a body go up.

 

[Muffled]

The it is Jesus' mission on this earth -- it was finished when Jesus died on the cross and gave up the ghost.

John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

Of course, that means that Jesus is not coming BACK to this world, as Jesus said in other verses:

John 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

John 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

So the hundred-dollar question is why Christians believe that Jesus is coming back to this world.

I believe that is false. Jesus still had a mission to perform in the resurrection.

I believe He returns to complete his role of Messiah delivering Israel from her enemies and giving people one last chance to accept Him as Lord and Savior before the world ends.

 

[Muffled]

Where did Jesus ever say He has more work to do? You cannot just decide for Jesus that He has more work to do because you want Jesus to come back to this world, it doesn't work that way. Jesus said His work was finished here and He was no more in the world yet you deny the plain meaning of your own Bible.

John 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

John 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

I believe this is it: John 5: 7 But Jesus answered them, “My Father is working until now, and I am working.

 

[Muffled]

That was then and now is now. I meant that Jesus was not going to do anything in the present age.

I believe He works fine in me.

 

[rrobs]

The it is Jesus' mission on this earth -- it was finished when Jesus died on the cross and gave up the ghost.

John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

Of course, that means that Jesus is not coming BACK to this world, as Jesus said in other verses:

John 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

John 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

So the hundred-dollar question is why Christians believe that Jesus is coming back to this world.

The 50 cent answer:

Acts 1:11,

“Men of Galilee,” - - they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into - heaven, - will come back in the same way - you have seen Him go into - heaven.”
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Just because someone finishes their work doesn't mean they can't go back to the shop.

Then there's Philippians 3:20, 1 Thessalonians 1:10, 2 Thessalonians 1:10, Matthew 24, 30, and many others that say Jesus will return again.

1 Pet 1:10-11,

10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace [that should come] unto you:

11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
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The prophets had some understanding that Jesus would actually make 2 different appearances, one as the sacrificial lamb and the other as King of Kings and Lord of Lords. What they couldn't figure out was what happens between the 2 advents. That would be our time which God kept secret until he revealed to Paul (Rom 16:25, Eph 1:9-11, Eph 3:4, et. al.).

Nobody in the OT knew about our age of grace and that Gentiles would be included with the Jews in God's grand scheme, not even the man Jesus Christ. That explains why he said that some of those to whom he spoke would be around for his second advent in Matt 16:28. He thought he'd reappear in 70 years as per Daniel. He could only know the scriptures that God had revealed up to his lifetime. Jesus did not know about the mystery. No man knew until God revealed it to Paul.

Why did God keep it a secret?

1Cor 2:8,

Which none of the princes of this world (Greek aion = age or era) knew: for had they known [it], they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
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Why would the devil not have killed Jesus? When Jesus was here the first time he could be in one place at one time doing one thing. That was bad enough for the devil, but when he killed him that made it possible for God to raise him from the dead which meant death was conquered. But the biggest coup was that because of Jesus' death and resurrection it is now possible to be born from above which among other things includes the truth that Christ resides in each and every single born again Christian (Col 1:27). Furthermore, Jesus said that all those Christians could do the things he did and even more (John 14:12). So now instead of one Jesus doing good works there are billions that can do even greater works. The devil shot himself in the foot! Of course, most Christians don't know about the mystery and Christ in them (the churches don't teach that plain truth in Bible), so that's why we don't see those greater works on a grand scale. I've seen them and so have others, but most have been blinded to that truth.

Well, I guess the 50 cent answer ended up being at least $1.50.

Take care

 

[rrobs]

I believe He works fine in me.

I'm sure he does brother! All day every day!